CLASS OF 2018 MEDIANS! (LSAT/GPA/Class Size) Forum

Tiago Splitter · Post by **Tiago Splitter** » Fri Aug 28, 2015 4:43 pm

No one really knows how US News factors employment stats into the rankings but I don't think biglaw+clerkship has much to do with it.

Ron Howard · Post by **Ron Howard** » Fri Aug 28, 2015 4:51 pm

krads153 wrote:
rpupkin wrote:
krads153 wrote:Is GULC median LSAT really 165? Are Boalt and GULC going to drop then based on employment stats/numbers combo? (of course this may not show up for a couple of years since USNews lags)
LOL. Do you think law firms actually pay attention to these medians?
That's not my point. Boalt has more students entering this year - aka probably worse biglaw/clerkship placement coming for Class of 2018. I mean that's why Cornell has decent placement rates, right, because its class size is like 180......

I would not worry too much about Boalt--they will be fine. And you should not be comparing this years class size to last years; you should be comparing it to the class of 2014, because that is the last year for which we have employment data.

On this point, it should be noted that although Michigan had relatively poor placement for 2014, the class size is now about 100 people smaller. UVA, though fairing signifantly better, also cut its class size signicantly as well. Both schools should see significant improvement.

GULC, however, is a cause for concern. They have neither the wealth of UVA and Michigan, nor the reputation that schools like Michigan, UVA, Penn, and Bolat carry among legal employers. They have little, if any, ability to make improvement. Only outside forces can save them.

Ron Howard · Post by **Ron Howard** » Fri Aug 28, 2015 4:53 pm

Tiago Splitter wrote:No one really knows how US News factors employment stats into the rankings but I don't think biglaw+clerkship has much to do with it.

As of now, it is has nothing to do with it (at least not directly)

krads153 · Post by **krads153** » Fri Aug 28, 2015 5:34 pm

Ron Howard wrote:
Tiago Splitter wrote:No one really knows how US News factors employment stats into the rankings but I don't think biglaw+clerkship has much to do with it.
As of now, it is has nothing to do with it (at least not directly)

Well whatever, the same logic applies to general employment percentages - in general, the more students, the lower the employment percentage

But yes, I agree with the above. GULC is probably screwed because it has no money and can't afford to cut its size

lawadmin · Post by **lawadmin** » Fri Aug 28, 2015 7:30 pm

Didn't see listed.

Nova Southeastern UN
https://www.law.nova.edu/prospective/en ... ofile.html

146/149(+1)/151
2.79 (-.05)/3.11 (-.03)/3.33 (-.08)
234 (-28)

lawadmin · Post by **lawadmin** » Fri Aug 28, 2015 7:40 pm

Widener (DE)* UN
http://delawarelaw.widener.edu/prospect ... -schedule/

147(-1)/149/152
2.75 (-.06)/3.19 (-.09)/3.49 (-.18!)

155 (+29)

* Widener doesn't give a combined between day and night, so numbers may be slightly off.

Moneytrees · Post by **Moneytrees** » Fri Aug 28, 2015 8:07 pm

Is ND the only top school to raise its LSAT median so far? That's pretty impressive, a 164 median in this admissions climate isn't easy to achieve.

Gray · Post by **Gray** » Fri Aug 28, 2015 9:06 pm

cannibal ox · Post by **cannibal ox** » Fri Aug 28, 2015 9:19 pm

Gray wrote:
Moneytrees wrote:Is ND the only top school to raise its LSAT median so far? That's pretty impressive, a 164 median in this admissions climate isn't easy to achieve.
nope, Duke too

Duke held, didn't raise (c/o '17 was 169, c/o '18 is also 169).

hairbear7 · Post by **hairbear7** » Fri Aug 28, 2015 9:19 pm

Gray wrote:
Moneytrees wrote:Is ND the only top school to raise its LSAT median so far? That's pretty impressive, a 164 median in this admissions climate isn't easy to achieve.
nope, Duke too

I thought Duke just held there median?

Gray · Post by **Gray** » Fri Aug 28, 2015 9:20 pm

lawadmin · Post by **lawadmin** » Fri Aug 28, 2015 9:29 pm

Moneytrees wrote:Is ND the only top school to raise its LSAT median so far? That's pretty impressive, a 164 median in this admissions climate isn't easy to achieve.

Depends where you draw the line for "top".

DJ2k15 · Post by **DJ2k15** » Sat Aug 29, 2015 12:52 am

lawadmin wrote:
Moneytrees wrote:Is ND the only top school to raise its LSAT median so far? That's pretty impressive, a 164 median in this admissions climate isn't easy to achieve.
Depends where you draw the line for "top".

Has any school, ranked in the top 25 of USNR, increased their median LSAT score?

fredfred · Post by **fredfred** » Sat Aug 29, 2015 12:54 am

DJ2k15 wrote:
lawadmin wrote:
Moneytrees wrote:Is ND the only top school to raise its LSAT median so far? That's pretty impressive, a 164 median in this admissions climate isn't easy to achieve.
Depends where you draw the line for "top".
Has any school, ranked in the top 25 of USNR, increased their median LSAT score?

ND

lawadmin · Post by **lawadmin** » Sat Aug 29, 2015 1:05 am

UPDATE
Vanderbilt
http://law.vanderbilt.edu/prospective-s ... rofile.php

161 LSAT 25% [-1]
166/168 already entered

3.50 [+.05]/3.74 [+.04]/3.83 [-0.01]

163 students [-8]

eriedoctrine · Post by **eriedoctrine** » Sat Aug 29, 2015 1:51 am

lawadmin wrote:UPDATE
Vanderbilt
http://law.vanderbilt.edu/prospective-s ... rofile.php

161 LSAT 25% [-1]
166/168 already entered

3.50 [+.05]/3.74 [+.04]/3.83 [-0.01]

163 students [-8]

166? lol.

Emory>WUSTL>Vandy>Goodluckcenter

eriedoctrine · Post by **eriedoctrine** » Sat Aug 29, 2015 1:54 am

fredfred wrote:
DJ2k15 wrote:
lawadmin wrote:
Moneytrees wrote:Is ND the only top school to raise its LSAT median so far? That's pretty impressive, a 164 median in this admissions climate isn't easy to achieve.
Depends where you draw the line for "top".
Has any school, ranked in the top 25 of USNR, increased their median LSAT score?
ND

That 163 was a disgrace.
Also looking at you, BU/BC.

urbanist11 · Post by **urbanist11** » Sat Aug 29, 2015 10:17 am

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TheProdigal · Post by **TheProdigal** » Sat Aug 29, 2015 11:11 am

urbanist11 wrote:
eriedoctrine wrote:
lawadmin wrote:UPDATE
Vanderbilt
http://law.vanderbilt.edu/prospective-s ... rofile.php

161 LSAT 25% [-1]
166/168 already entered

3.50 [+.05]/3.74 [+.04]/3.83 [-0.01]

163 students [-8]
166? lol.

Emory>WUSTL>Vandy>Goodluckcenter
Emory?? They employ like 20% of their class.

In the sense that they provide stipends for graduates who haven't gotten paying jobs yet. It's not like 20% of the class is working at the school's clinics and library.

TheodoreKGB · Post by **TheodoreKGB** » Sat Aug 29, 2015 11:32 am

Iwanttolawschool · Post by **Iwanttolawschool** » Sat Aug 29, 2015 11:40 am

TheodoreKGB wrote:Michigan's GPA, class size shifted slightly from pre-orientation figures:

3.53-3.76-3.87 (previously 3.54-3.75-3.87)
267 students (previously 270)

https://www.law.umich.edu/prospectivest ... stics.aspx

It used to be 18 foreign countries, now it's 15. So three internationals bailed last second.

JurisDoctorSeuss · Post by **JurisDoctorSeuss** » Sat Aug 29, 2015 11:41 am

Berkeley's class sized is down to 295 from 301 pre-orientation.

TheodoreKGB · Post by **TheodoreKGB** » Sat Aug 29, 2015 11:44 am