2016 USNWR T25 Prediction Contest (Winners Announced) Forum

[jbagelboy]

Lol these rankings must have made Zuck's week

[bl1nds1ght]

Why does the TLS wisdom seem to be that Michigan was due for a drop and that it's been hurting since 08? I've seen it ITT and a few other places.

Not that it matters in the scheme of things, but I'm curious as to what signs people were seeing.

Higher unemployment relative to the rest of the T14.

Unrelated, I don't understand the Davis jump. It just seems like a weaker program based on employment.

Come on mate, it wouldn't be the USNWR if it were based on things like numbers and employment

My ability to forget the main topic of the thread is unrivaled.
I will not make this mistake again.

[BigZuck]

Lol these rankings must have made Zuck's week

Had to pull myself off the floor to even respond to this post because I was still ROFLing at Michigan

Michigan and Vandy dropping like a rock, NYU solidly out of the T5, and UT right on the verge of a permanent place in the T14.

Hell yeah bros, we did it!!!



eta: Duke dropping to 18 kinda sucks though, I like Duke

[RustyRyan]

Why does the TLS wisdom seem to be that Michigan was due for a drop and that it's been hurting since 08? I've seen it ITT and a few other places.

Not that it matters in the scheme of things, but I'm curious as to what signs people were seeing.

57% BL+FC

12th in the T14

Interesting. I wonder why that is. Oh well. /endmusings.

[table3]

I'm getting mixed messages on how exactly school-funded positions play in UNSWR's methodology. Can someone offer some clarity?

[Ex Cearulo]

I'm getting mixed messages on how exactly school-funded positions play in UNSWR's methodology. Can someone offer some clarity?

http://www.usnews.com/education/best-gr ... s-rankings

eta: US News doesn't go into detail about the specific weights placed on specific sub-categories of jobs. They just say that long term, full time jobs that are JD-required or JD-advantaged get "full weight", and it goes down from there.

eta2: this is last year's methodology, so it could be different for this year.

[chuckbass]

I'm getting mixed messages on how exactly school-funded positions play in UNSWR's methodology. Can someone offer some clarity?

http://www.usnews.com/education/best-gr ... s-rankings

eta: US News doesn't go into detail about the specific weights placed on specific sub-categories of jobs. They just say that long term, full time jobs that are JD-required or JD-advantaged get "full weight", and it goes down from there.

They have to be given a decent amount of weight given Emory's jump last year coinciding with their huge increase in school-funded jobs.

[Ex Cearulo]

I'm getting mixed messages on how exactly school-funded positions play in UNSWR's methodology. Can someone offer some clarity?

http://www.usnews.com/education/best-gr ... s-rankings

eta: US News doesn't go into detail about the specific weights placed on specific sub-categories of jobs. They just say that long term, full time jobs that are JD-required or JD-advantaged get "full weight", and it goes down from there.

They have to be given a decent amount of weight given Emory's jump last year coinciding with their huge increase in school-funded jobs.

Based on US News' criteria, school funded jobs probably get full weight. They don't specifically mention school-funded jobs in their methodology, so theoretically all a school has to claim is that the job is full time and lasts at least one year. Boom, full weight job for the rankings.

[LawsRUs]

Lol these rankings must have made Zuck's week

Had to pull myself off the floor to even respond to this post because I was still ROFLing at Michigan

Michigan and Vandy dropping like a rock, NYU solidly out of the T5, and UT right on the verge of a permanent place in the T14.

Hell yeah bros, we did it!!!



eta: Duke dropping to 18 kinda sucks though, I like Duke

hell yeah! you can say that again.
also LOLing at how GW escaped our consciousness already

eta: also -1 for UIUC because UCI came in, i think..

[Lemurian]

I'm getting mixed messages on how exactly school-funded positions play in UNSWR's methodology. Can someone offer some clarity?

http://www.usnews.com/education/best-gr ... s-rankings

eta: US News doesn't go into detail about the specific weights placed on specific sub-categories of jobs. They just say that long term, full time jobs that are JD-required or JD-advantaged get "full weight", and it goes down from there.

They have to be given a decent amount of weight given Emory's jump last year coinciding with their huge increase in school-funded jobs.

Don't forget William & Mary.

Don't the rankings define long-term is 9+ months? Pretty sure most of those school funded positions run 9 months - 1 year. Not a coincidence.

[Ex Cearulo]

I'm getting mixed messages on how exactly school-funded positions play in UNSWR's methodology. Can someone offer some clarity?

http://www.usnews.com/education/best-gr ... s-rankings

eta: US News doesn't go into detail about the specific weights placed on specific sub-categories of jobs. They just say that long term, full time jobs that are JD-required or JD-advantaged get "full weight", and it goes down from there.

They have to be given a decent amount of weight given Emory's jump last year coinciding with their huge increase in school-funded jobs.

Don't forget William & Mary.

Don't the rankings define long-term is 9+ months? Pretty sure most of those school funded positions run 9 months - 1 year. Not a coincidence.

If a job is 9 months, it gets less weight. But they don't tell us how much less weight. So yeah school funded jobs could easily help prop up schools like Emory and W&M. The overall lack of weight placed on jobs in general (20%, but really 18% if you don't count the 2% given to bar passage rate) and the lack of transparency regarding how they weight specific types of jobs are two of the biggest reasons the US News rankings are a total joke.

[runinthefront]

If a job is 9 months, it gets less weight. But they don't tell us how much less weight. So yeah school funded jobs could easily help prop up schools like Emory and W&M. The overall lack of weight placed on jobs in general (20%, but really 18% if you don't count the 2% given to bar passage rate) and the lack of transparency regarding how they weight specific types of jobs are two of the biggest reasons the US News rankings are a total joke.

Yeah but if the employment outcomes were given more weight, you'd have to take weight away from factors like:

Quality assessment (weighted by 0.40)

"Peer assessment score (0.25): In fall 2013, law school deans, deans of academic affairs, chairs of faculty appointments and the most recently tenured faculty members were asked to rate programs on a scale from marginal (1) to outstanding (5). Those individuals who did not know enough about a school to evaluate it fairly were asked to mark "don't know."

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Why do you think employment outcomes should trump the esteemed opinions of school faculty when it comes to a kid gambling $100-300,000??

[table3]

If a job is 9 months, it gets less weight. But they don't tell us how much less weight. So yeah school funded jobs could easily help prop up schools like Emory and W&M. The overall lack of weight placed on jobs in general (20%, but really 18% if you don't count the 2% given to bar passage rate) and the lack of transparency regarding how they weight specific types of jobs are two of the biggest reasons the US News rankings are a total joke.

Yeah but if the employment outcomes were given more weight, you'd have to take weight away from factors like:

Quality assessment (weighted by 0.40)

"Peer assessment score (0.25): In fall 2013, law school deans, deans of academic affairs, chairs of faculty appointments and the most recently tenured faculty members were asked to rate programs on a scale from marginal (1) to outstanding (5). Those individuals who did not know enough about a school to evaluate it fairly were asked to mark "don't know."

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Why do you think employment outcomes should trump the esteemed opinions of school faculty when it comes to a kid gambling $100-300,000??

Because they're so esteemy.

[Moneytrees]

So, no more leaks for today?

[Username123]

So, no more leaks for today?

Just to make sure I have it all... The leaks for today were top 20, GW at 22, Irvine at 30, Davis at 31, and Illinois at 41?

[ms9]

So, no more leaks for today?

Just got them

GW, Bama, Iowa, ND all tied at 22.

Trying to get the rest up on my blog

[cannibal ox]

So, no more leaks for today?

Just got them

GW, Bama, Iowa, ND all tied at 22.

Trying to get the rest up on my blog

GW (-2)

'bama (+1)

Iowa (+5)

ND (+4)

[03152016]

ugh no hot sauce/pistachios for me

[table3]

Based on: https://twitter.com/spiveyconsult

1. Yale
2. Harvard
2. Stanford (+1)
4. Columbia
4. Chicago
6. NYU
7. Penn
8. UVa
8. Berkeley (+1)
8. Duke (+2)
11. Michigan (-1)
12. Northwestern
13. Cornell
14. GULC (-1)
15. Texas
16. UCLA
17. Vanderbilt (-1)
18. Wash U
19. Emory
20. USC
20. Minnesota
22. GW
22. ND
22. Bama
22. Iowa
26. BU
26. ASU
28.
29.
30. UC Irvine
31. UC Davis
32.

[ms9]

While we work to get 21-100 up on our blog.... to contribute to the Spivey Consulting Legal Defense Fund, send $$$ to 551 Bunker Hill, Charlestown MA.

[Rigo]

That 22nd place tie. WTF.

[table3]

That 22nd place tie. WTF.

[rpupkin]

That 22nd place tie. WTF.

It is earth shattering. I just can't get my mind around it.

[tk17]

A full two thirds (33/51) of schools in the top 50 are involved in some sort of tie.

[LawsRUs]

damn this year's rankings went all over the place