Official 2010 US News Law School Rankings Forum

[Hook 'Em]

I've never been a big fan of US News Rankings, but this list does provide my choice of attending Illinois with a bit of positive reinforcement.

Ouch for GW and Fordham...

+1

+2

[imchuckbass58]

Posted this on another thread, but now that it's official:

If you go by raw scores it seems that in the T14, everyone gained relative to Yale, except for Columbia.

Differences from last year's raw score

Yale: 0
Harvard: +4
Stanford: +2
Columbia: 0
NYU: +2
Berkeley +3
Chicago: +4
Penn: +2
Michigan: +2
Northwestern: +1
UVA: +1
Duke: +3
Cornell: +1
GULC: +1

This is kind of interesting because it suggests that relatively speaking, Columbia and Yale "fell" even though they didn't move down in the rankings. Of course, since Yale=100, this isn't reflected in its raw score or Columbia's, but rather in the score of everybody else.

[Snooker]

How could UCLA POSSIBLY rank above Vanderbilt?

[MNMDROZ]

Good job Ken! Can anyone point out any notable departures from Tier 1? I'm at work and wish I had more time to dissect.

[midrangejumper]

couple thoughts on the florida schools....im shocked to see how close UF/FSU are in the rankings now. ive heard FSU was climbing but will they overtake UF at some point now? also, miami's 11pt jump is good, especially since ive read they were hoping to be in the 60's by next year, so that now sounds plausible. and stetson out of the top 100 is surprising due to their 2 specifically good programs of legal writing and trial advocacy.

[SpartanNY]

It is about time Cardozo cracks Tier 1 given their median LSAT and GPA scores alone.

[rayiner]

I slept through the drama, but, uh, props to OperaSoprano for her daring-do!

[gk101]

can't believe the one night I decide to get some work done, this happens. major props to opera fro breaking this first! My wl chances definitely took a hit if idiots decide to make their decision based on these rankings.

[Blindmelon]

Yay! This gives some weight to my BU > GW/Fordham trolling! Happy to see W+M eclipse W+L where they belong!

[katjust]

I know that it is T2 news, but the school that I chose Lewis & Clark moved up 12 spots. This is not really surprising considering how much attention the school has been getting here and elsewhere. Also, Colorado fell 12 spots and moved below Arizona and is now tied with a rising Utah. However, I think that Colorado will move up next year to gain back the top spot in the region. We will see.

[aguyingeorgia]

Dear Mercer,

I have been unable to find you in the top 100. What happened? Are you okay? I miss you. Please write and let me know that all is well.

Sincerely,
Aguyingeorgia

[worldtraveler]

Ken, TLS should definitely have it's own law school rankings starting next year. Better start thinking about a rankings formula now!

1. Berkeley
TTT. HYSCCNPMNVDCG... [etc]


Just speculating...

Looks right to me.

[jayman]

Would anyone be able to post the rankings of the concentrations - health law, IP etc.

THanks

[hoffb86]

Would anyone be able to post the rankings of the concentrations - health law, IP etc.

THanks

posted on page 24 of Geo's Opera adventure thread...

[aguyingeorgia]

Would anyone be able to post the rankings of the concentrations - health law, IP etc.

THanks

Also, pretty irrelevant in truth. I wouldn't base any decisions on those concentrations.

[steindle]

I'm satisfied with WUSTL holding steady at #19. And I'm sure that UMN peeps are happy about Minn moving back into the T20!

[Jones, Dow]

can someone move the scanned pages into a new thread at the very beginning?

[Jay Phatsby]

Early copies of the 2010 US News Law School Rankings have been provided (see the epic mission to get these copies here: http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... =1&t=69258) and are as follows:

1. Yale
2. Harvard
3. Stanford
4. Columbia
5. NYU
6. Berkeley
6. Chicago
8. Penn
9. Michigan
10. Duke
10. Northwestern
10. UVA
13. Cornell
14. GULC
15. UCLA
15. Texas
17. Vanderbilt
18. USC
19. WUSTL
20. BU
20. Emory
20. Minnesota
23. Indiana - Bloomington
23. Illinois
23. Notre Dame
26. BC
26. Iowa
28. William and Mary
28. GWU
30. Fordham
30. Alabama
30. UNC
30. U of Washington
30. Washington and Lee
35. OSU
35. Davis
35. Georgia
35. Wisconsin-Madison
39. Hastings
40. Wake Forest
41. BYU
41. GMU
43. Arizona
43. Maryland
45. American
45. Tulane
45. UC Boulder
45. Utah
49. SMU
49. Cardozo
51. U of Florida
52. Florida State
52. U of Cincinnati
52. UConn
55. Arizona State
55. Case Western
55. Pepperdine
55. Kentucky
59. Houston
59. Tennessee
61. Brooklyn
61. Lewis & Clark
61. San Diego
61. Villanova
65. Baylor
65. Georgia State
65. Penn State
65. Temple
65. U of Kansas
65. U of Missouri
71. Loyola LA
71. Miami
71. Oklahoma
71. Pitt
75. Louisiana State
75. UNLV
77. Chicago-Kent
77. Rutgers Camden
77. Seattle
77. Seton Hall
77. Denver
77. New Mexico
77. Oregon
77. Richmond
85. Santa Clara
85. SUNY-Buff
87. DePaul
87. Indiana-Indianapolis
87. Loyola Chicago
87. Marquette
87. Rutgers Newark
87. St. John's
87. South Carolina
94. Catholic
94. Northeastern
94. St Louis
94. Arkansas Fayetteville
98. Louisville
98. USF
100. Gonzaga
100. Hofstra
100. UMaine

Note that the entire rankings article will soon be officially updated, but I wanted to get this post up right away.

Harvard eclipsing Stanford is not shocking considering how much top talent they have added to their already amazing faculty.

Berkeley remaining at 6th (tied with Chicago) is impressive. Dean Edley is really doing a great job on continually improving the law school. Berkeley had a lower acceptance rate than Harvard (11% for Berkeley, 12% for Harvard), showing how selective Berkeley is but that they look beyond the numbers.

Georgetown remains a pillar at #14. They have been at #14 since 1999.

The U. of Illinois jumped up to #23. Likely due to Dean Pless actively posting and blogging on TLS

Indiana U. was also tied at #23, jumping up from #36.

George Washington dropping to 28 is a huge fall from their last ranking of 20. This may be like Hastings, which never recovered from their precipitous drop.

Several other threads on TLS are discussing the 2010 US News Law School Rankings as well, but would enjoy any thoughts others had on these latest rankings.

thanks

[riburn3]

This is pretty awesome and after reading through the Opera thread it makes these rankings so much more enjoyable/unforgettable.

[annapavlova]

WHOA! Huge paradigm shift.

Now I have to figure out how binding those offer acceptance forms are...

[pany1985]

I'm a little confused by the shuffling among the non-Penn PA schools...

It went from Temple>Villanova>PSU to Villanova>PSU=Temple


I guess in a way it just shows how arbitrary the rankings can be once you get down the list a bit, since I don't think much really changed between those three in the last year aside from Penn State and Villanova getting new buildings, but that's not really a big deal (to me, anyway)

[huckabees]

Sorry if I'm late in this game, but these rankings are (almost?) identical to the leak that people (including myself) thought was fake?

As in, wow Berkeley is still T6 and people at GW really might be getting fired?

[huckabees]

Posted this on another thread, but now that it's official:

If you go by raw scores it seems that in the T14, everyone gained relative to Yale, except for Columbia.

Differences from last year's raw score

Yale: 0
Harvard: +4
Stanford: +2
Columbia: 0
NYU: +2
Berkeley +3
Chicago: +4
Penn: +2
Michigan: +2
Northwestern: +1
UVA: +1
Duke: +3
Cornell: +1
GULC: +1

This is kind of interesting because it suggests that relatively speaking, Columbia and Yale "fell" even though they didn't move down in the rankings. Of course, since Yale=100, this isn't reflected in its raw score or Columbia's, but rather in the score of everybody else.

Yeah, I saw this in the other thread too. I think this is a really good point, and I am kind of worried about other schools out-chasing CLS...

While people shouldn't be too heavily invested in these rankings, I do think a consistent change in the rankings (e.g., Berkeley staying in T6 for lets say 4 issues) can indicate a substantive change in the school and serve as an indicator of future student body quality and employer interest.

[riccardo426]

I'm a little confused by the shuffling among the non-Penn PA schools...

It went from Temple>Villanova>PSU to Villanova>PSU=Temple

I'm happy someone else noticed this. I think Villanova leapfrogging Temple is a shocker, because I generally see Temple as the undisputed Prince of Philadelphia (Penn being the King). But maybe increased competition will improve both mid T1 schools.

I hope cross-admits, of which there are many, can look past the rankings. Consider cost: Temple: 37k in-state, 48k out of state. Nova: 55k

[jetlagz28]

What is happening to Loyola LA? Is Pepperdine beating it out that much in Socal?