How much does your undergrad matter Forum

cotiger · Post by **cotiger** » Tue May 13, 2014 12:44 am

ScottRiqui wrote:
cotiger wrote:
Splitter1415 wrote:Thanks for the explanations. My school doesn't seem to publish the average GPA, so there's no way to tell.
Again, wait for your LSAC report. All will be revealed.
Is the average on the LSAC report school-wide, or just limited to the students who took the LSAT? Also, do you have any idea if a report received today would have the current average, or the average when you graduated? My school's average on my LSAC report was ~3.1, which seems pretty low, but that might have been the average from 20+ years ago.

It's the average LSAT/GPA of applicants from your school who have applied to law school in the last three years.

ScottRiqui · Post by **ScottRiqui** » Tue May 13, 2014 12:49 am

cotiger wrote:
ScottRiqui wrote:
cotiger wrote:
Splitter1415 wrote:Thanks for the explanations. My school doesn't seem to publish the average GPA, so there's no way to tell.
Again, wait for your LSAC report. All will be revealed.
Is the average on the LSAC report school-wide, or just limited to the students who took the LSAT? Also, do you have any idea if a report received today would have the current average, or the average when you graduated? My school's average on my LSAC report was ~3.1, which seems pretty low, but that might have been the average from 20+ years ago.
It's the average LSAT/GPA of applicants from your school who have applied to law school in the last three years.

So the 149/3.1 averages on my report are from the past three years? I guess my undergrad does NOT produce a lot of competitive law school applicants.

MistakenGenius · Post by **MistakenGenius** » Tue May 13, 2014 1:00 am

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middlemarch · Post by **middlemarch** » Tue May 13, 2014 2:16 am

I was told (and this may be a myth) that admissions offices do weight the strength of the undergrad, and that the way they measure it is by weighting the GPA based on how high the average LSAT scores are for undergrads from different schools. So an applicant with a given GPA from Harvard College, say, where college students who take the LSAT have high average LSAT scores, would get a bump up. An applicant from Bob Jones, where the LSAT avg is much lower, would not get a boost. Who knows if it's true, but I think there must be some way, math-based or not, that the admissions committee can differentiate a 3.7 from MIT and a 3.7 from Bob Jones.

MistakenGenius · Post by **MistakenGenius** » Tue May 13, 2014 2:27 am

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dabigchina · Post by **dabigchina** » Tue May 13, 2014 2:45 am

parkslope wrote:
dabigchina wrote:Kids who go to elite law schools tend to do well on the LSAT. Kids who do well on the LSAT tend to do well on the SATs. Kids who do well on the SATs tend to go to elite undergrads.

Outside of a couple super elite schools with bad grade deflation ( Chicago, Princeton) it doesn't matter at all.
Absolutely untrue. It's more than that. The HYP types tend to overperform their LSAT score when it comes to the T14. If you look at the LSAT data for any top-ten undergrad, the average LSAT is like 167 at best. Yet the acceptance rates are quite high. But I think the undergrad prestige boost peters out quite quickly after HYP.

That's great and all, except you have to consider the fact that average LSAT scores for Berkeley (I'm assuming OP went to Berkeley because of his name) is somewhere in the 157-160 range.

OP: I know you guys think you rival Stanford in academics, but you won't get a substantial boost.

dabigchina · Post by **dabigchina** » Tue May 13, 2014 2:56 am

Splitter1415 wrote:I believe where you attended undergrad matter at least a little bit. Don't people at top undergrads receive better education? My spouse just made a comment that my A is only worth a B at his institution. I go to one of the worst undergrad institutions in NYC and the school sends some people to T-14 every year, though.

I remember you from your chances thread. You need to seriously dump your emotionally abusive husband and go to law school. Nobody gives a shit about where u go to undergrad. If u have the numbers you get in (which Is good for you because I remember a stratospheric lsat for you).

rayiner · Post by **rayiner** » Tue May 13, 2014 7:23 am

dabigchina wrote:
Splitter1415 wrote:I believe where you attended undergrad matter at least a little bit. Don't people at top undergrads receive better education? My spouse just made a comment that my A is only worth a B at his institution. I go to one of the worst undergrad institutions in NYC and the school sends some people to T-14 every year, though.
I remember you from your chances thread. You need to seriously dump your emotionally abusive husband and go to law school. Nobody gives a shit about where u go to undergrad. If u have the numbers you get in (which Is good for you because I remember a stratospheric lsat for you).

Yeah, he sounds like an insecure tool.

MistakenGenius · Post by **MistakenGenius** » Tue May 13, 2014 8:02 am

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SnakySalmon · Post by **SnakySalmon** » Tue May 13, 2014 8:05 am

MistakenGenius wrote:
rayiner wrote:
dabigchina wrote:
Splitter1415 wrote:I believe where you attended undergrad matter at least a little bit. Don't people at top undergrads receive better education? My spouse just made a comment that my A is only worth a B at his institution. I go to one of the worst undergrad institutions in NYC and the school sends some people to T-14 every year, though.
I remember you from your chances thread. You need to seriously dump your emotionally abusive husband and go to law school. Nobody gives a shit about where u go to undergrad. If u have the numbers you get in (which Is good for you because I remember a stratospheric lsat for you).
Yeah, he sounds like an insecure tool.
Totally. I'm someone who generally believes marriage is a permanent institution, but this guy seems to have a superiority complex and that he gets off on it.

The fact that he won't let you leave NY to go to a LS that would give you the best shot at the career you want isn't a good sign.

It seems like he and all of the people you know think you're stupid despite all kinds of evidence to the contrary, and you need to get into a more supportive environment.

Splitter1415 · Post by **Splitter1415** » Tue May 13, 2014 12:00 pm

I have support from some professors and a few good friends. Also, people on this forum have been very nice to me. My husband is a nice person in general, but he just hates the school. He used to be a student there and hated it, and now he's at a different school. I don't speak/write good English and some people just don't take me seriously. I am always amazed at how Americans in general are great at arguing and speaking up effectively. On the contrary, I'm shy and quite.

jbagelboy · Post by **jbagelboy** » Tue May 13, 2014 1:11 pm

Splitter1415 wrote:I have support from some professors and a few good friends. Also, people on this forum has been very nice to me. My husband is a nice person in general, but he just hates the school. He used to be a student there and hated it, and now he's at a different school. I don't speak/write good English and some people just don't take me seriously. I am always amazed at how Americans in general are great at arguing and speaking up effectively. On the contrary, I'm shy and quite.

yes our inflammatory obnoxiousness reaches global renown

dabigchina · Post by **dabigchina** » Tue May 13, 2014 3:45 pm

Splitter1415 wrote: Also, people on this forum has been very nice to me.

We're not being nice. We just tell it like it is. Getting one of the top 500 LSAT scores in 2013 when English is not even your first language is impressive any way you cut it.

furrrman · Post by **furrrman** » Tue May 13, 2014 7:13 pm

If someone was picking a UG and was deadset on law school and asked me for advice, I would say go for cheap and save all the money you would have spent on UG, put it in savings/invest it whatever so you have a nice wad of cash to pay for LS with.

Of course, if someone is not certain about LS the advice changes because ivy degrees will probably get you better jobs straight outta UG.

Splitter1415 · Post by **Splitter1415** » Tue May 13, 2014 11:57 pm

I'm sorry. I didn't mean to offend anyone by my post.

Edited because of the stupid typo.

jbagelboy · Post by **jbagelboy** » Wed May 14, 2014 12:35 am

Splitter1415 wrote:I'm sorry. I didn't meant to offend anyone by my post.

lol. I found your statement over-ironically complementary, not offending.

TheSpanishMain · Post by **TheSpanishMain** » Wed May 14, 2014 8:52 am

middlemarch wrote:Who knows if it's true, but I think there must be some way, math-based or not, that the admissions committee can differentiate a 3.7 from MIT and a 3.7 from Bob Jones.

Maybe as a tiebreaker, sure. But in general, if USNWR doesn't discriminate, neither does the school. A 3.7 from Bob Jones helps their medians more than a 3.5 from MIT.

norkanite · Post by **norkanite** » Wed May 14, 2014 9:46 am

Hahalollawl · Post by **Hahalollawl** » Wed May 14, 2014 4:46 pm

I could be wrong, but I think it might matter more for employment after law school than actually applying to law school. However, I seem to remember someone from NYU mentioning that the average LSAT at your school was a way of differentiating schools. So maybe it matters some?

Nova · Post by **Nova** » Wed May 14, 2014 9:50 pm

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bombaysippin · Post by **bombaysippin** » Wed May 14, 2014 10:30 pm

^wtf wow

vicpin5190 · Post by **vicpin5190** » Wed May 14, 2014 11:21 pm

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