The Struggle of Law School Graduates in a Difficult Job Mark Forum

[romothesavior]

George Dickel must need a couple people to work as counsel for them, right? A couple dudes who love booze?

More lulz. My grandpa and my cousins and I do a shot of Dickel at pretty much every family get-together. He loves that stuff.

[niederbomb]

Someone please send me statistics showing a whole bunch of T10 grads who are unemployed. I got to lawschooltransparency.com for most of my info. The stats there are old, but if the problems with the legal market are structural, I don't think the situation could have changed that much.

Then, I might pay attention. I am serious. I have other options besides law school, so I really want to know the facts. T2-T4's are shitholes. I don't want to hear your sob stories. You were idiots for choosing those schools. But if I read about a bunch of Penn grads who remained unemployed for 1+ years, I will lose sleep at night.

I personally know of at least one NU grad with top grades who's still looking for work more than six months after graduating.

Ok, that's a story worth hearing. Any MVP grads who say something similar? U of C unemployment? That would really scare me.

[javancho]

I see that a lot of people are dismissing this story because the poor girl attended Thomas Jefferson. Well, what about this other case from NORTHWESTERN law?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... -grad+jobs

[thexfactor]

Someone please send me statistics showing a whole bunch of T10 grads who are unemployed. I got to lawschooltransparency.com for most of my info. The stats there are old, but if the problems with the legal market are structural, I don't think the situation could have changed that much.

Then, I might pay attention. I am serious. I have other options besides law school, so I really want to know the facts. T2-T4's are shitholes. I don't want to hear your sob stories. You were idiots for choosing those schools. But if I read about a bunch of Penn grads who remained unemployed for 1+ years, I will lose sleep at night.

I personally know of at least one NU grad with top grades who's still looking for work more than six months after graduating.

Ok, that's a story worth hearing. Any MVP grads who say something similar? U of C unemployment? That would really scare me.

funny you should say that.... I actually know someone from U of Chicago who has been unemployed for the last year or two. Fresh out of law school.
Chances are that if you go to chicago you will not be unemployed, but I guess you never know....

What most people fail to realize is that generally speaking the biglaw game is won or lost in your first year of law school. NLJ250 firms rarely hire 3Ls to work for them directly without summering somewhere.
I'm actually not shocked that she started her job search after passing the bar. I talked to a lot of students at my t30 school and most people don't realize that most of the biglaw/midlaw lifeboats are gone after your first year.

[BunkMoreland]

Pretty much. I'm hoping for BIGTULLAHOMALAW

This is funny to me because my aunt and uncle (who now live in Ashland City outside Nashville) used to live in Tullahoma for a long time. I used to go down there for two weeks every summer when I was a kid. Maybe I have the requisite ties to the area for BIGTULLAHOMALAW!

George Dickel must need a couple people to work as counsel for them, right? A couple dudes who love booze?

I got pulled over in Tullahoma, once. My girlfriend at the time faked a low-blood sugar attack and I pretended like I was speeding so we could rapidly get to a Sonic Drive-In. The cop believed us and even escorted us there. SCORE.

[rose711]

Don't you think that the vast majority of law graduates who are looking for jobs are unwilling to be named in a major media story? No one wants a story about their debt problems and job struggles to be the first thing that pops up when a potential employer googles their name. There is almost no benefit to the person who comes forward publicly to describe their situation - they face immediate derision and contempt for their "bad" choices and "foolish" "entitled" expectations - and they don't make their potential employment situation any easier. Maybe there is some emotional payback or release from telling your story, but people who agree to be subjects of these stories are putting targets on their backs.

Just because there aren't major media stories of students from T14 schools who are jobless, that doesn't mean those students don't exist.

[Grizz]

I'm actually not shocked that she started her job search after passing the bar. I talked to a lot of students at my t30 school and most people don't realize that most of the biglaw/midlaw lifeboats are gone after your first year.

Same at my UCLA/Vandy/Tex

[thexfactor]

I'm actually not shocked that she started her job search after passing the bar. I talked to a lot of students at my t30 school and most people don't realize that most of the biglaw/midlaw lifeboats are gone after your first year.

Same at my UCLA/Vandy/Tex

I don't know how to break it to them..... Some of them have really good grades too......
It s like a cleveland cavs fan thinking that they still have a chance at making the playoffs.....

[Grizz]

I'm actually not shocked that she started her job search after passing the bar. I talked to a lot of students at my t30 school and most people don't realize that most of the biglaw/midlaw lifeboats are gone after your first year.

Same at my UCLA/Vandy/Tex

I don't know how to break it to them..... Some of them have really good grades too......
It s like a cleveland cavs fan thinking that they still have a chance at making the playoffs.....

I just don't break it to them at all haha

[Stonewall]

I'm actually not shocked that she started her job search after passing the bar. I talked to a lot of students at my t30 school and most people don't realize that most of the biglaw/midlaw lifeboats are gone after your first year.

Same at my UCLA/Vandy/Tex

I don't know how to break it to them..... Some of them have really good grades too......
It s like a cleveland cavs fan thinking that they still have a chance at making the playoffs.....

I'll admit, going into the season I really wanted the cavs to get the 8th seed (because the east is garbage) and play Miami in rd 1. It would have been epic.

[Mickey Quicknumbers]

I'll admit, going into the season I really wanted the cavs to get the 8th seed (because the east is garbage) and play Miami in rd 1. It would have been epic.

Epic in the sense that Miami would have won in 4 games and rubbed salt into the wounds?

[Grizz]

I'll admit, going into the season I really wanted the cavs to get the 8th seed (because the east is garbage) and play Miami in rd 1. It would have been epic.

Epic in the sense that Miami would have won in 4 games and rubbed salt into the wounds?

lol

[robotclubmember]

Another interesting note about Thomas Jefferson School of Law.... this atrocious TTTT joke of school produces the most indebted law grads in the country.

http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandr ... /grad_debt

$131,800 of debt for the average student, with 95% being in debt? Are you kidding me? This school really takes the cake as far as slimy profiteering off of the dreams of the youth goes. I'd call this school a flat out scam. As long as ABA hands out accreditations like Halloween candy to schools like this, get ready for a lot more woe-is-me articles being written about law grads in the years to come.

[robotclubmember]

ANOTHER interesting note about TJSL: http://www.10news.com/news/26515555/detail.html

They just opened up a new state of the art campus. So this is the game they're going to play. Collect huge tuition fees, and instead of getting real jobs for their students, or investing in decent professors, they blow it on a posh campus with a 50's style diner? These scammers aren't interested in educating, nor getting their alums employed.

"This is the most extraordinary law school campus in the nation," said Rudy Hasl, a school dean. "It is designed to facilitate interactions between everyone on campus in a comfortable, collaborative setting. That is the key to success in law school."

Yes, comfort is the key to success in lawlschool... what a joke...

[Stonewall]

I'll admit, going into the season I really wanted the cavs to get the 8th seed (because the east is garbage) and play Miami in rd 1. It would have been epic.

Epic in the sense that Miami would have won in 4 games and rubbed salt into the wounds?

lol

yes that. But just the matchup of playing the team he quit on in the playoffs, regardless of the ensuing bloodbath

[Aqualibrium]

Dear Clevelanders/Lebron haters,


Eat a dick. Cleveland sucks. No one wants to be there. Lebron James is a multi millionaire, and he doesn't give a fuck what you think as long as you buy merchandise, watch basketball games.


Also, anyone from tha Cleve that can help me get a ticket fixed ?

[robotclubmember]

Dear Clevelanders/Lebron haters,


Eat a dick. Cleveland sucks. No one wants to be there. Lebron James is a multi millionaire, and he doesn't give a fuck what you think as long as you buy merchandise, watch basketball games.


Also, anyone from tha Cleve that can help me get a ticket fixed ?

lol, i'm actually from cleveland. i choose to ignore these comments cos i don't care about some dudes that throw a ball into a hole for a living, but if i did, it sure wouldn't be the pack of strays we've got on our basketball team now.

what kind of ticket?

[Mickey Quicknumbers]

Dear Clevelanders/Lebron haters,


Eat a dick. Cleveland sucks. No one wants to be there. Lebron James is a multi millionaire, and he doesn't give a fuck what you think as long as you buy merchandise, watch basketball games.


Also, anyone from tha Cleve that can help me get a ticket fixed ?

Should he just accept his role as a villian? A: No, as long as he keeps winning his reputation will fix itself. See: Kobe rape.

[tothePAIN]

Correction. See Kobe committing adultery, not Kobe rape.

[Mickey Quicknumbers]

Correction. See Kobe committing adultery, not Kobe rape.

d00d. I spot a Princess Bride reference. Well done.