Would Law Schools Ask to Disclose This Info??? Forum

[ViIIager]

I sit in an office and hear it done every day. We're not talking "x is sure to happen based on y" sorts of advice, but a general sense of the situation. Maybe you should get some more experience working with individual clients before "shooting off mouth?"

Riiiiiight. Your firm commonly dispenses legal advice on complex factual situations with life-altering financial and professional consequences for free in initial telephone calls. Uh-huh.

Because buying minutes is cheaper than paying an attorney for a real evaluation of whether your future career can be pursued.

[bilbobaggins]

Almost no lawyer will charge you for a single phone call. A C&F attorney will likely assuage your fears.

Oy. Please at least take Professional Responsibilities before shooting off mouth.

I sit in an office and hear it done every day. We're not talking "x is sure to happen based on y" sorts of advice, but a general sense of the situation. Maybe you should get some more experience working with individual clients before "shooting off mouth?"

Riiiiiight. Your firm commonly dispenses legal advice on complex factual situations with life-altering financial and professional consequences for free in initial telephone calls. Uh-huh.

If you call a lawyer with a problem and they refuse to say one word about your case before you sign a retainer and pay them, you're talking to a lawyer who is an asshole.

Most defense attorneys I know would not behave that way. Sorry if that runs against your preconceptions about What It's Like To Be a Lawyer.

[ViIIager]

For what its worth, my fears wouldn't be mollified if I called an attorney only to spend a few minutes discussing the issue. The OP is in a situation that can have a tremendous effect on whether law school is worthwhile, and that is serious business. If the OP wants to feel better about his prospects for three years based on a short phone call with a stranger, that's nice, but the reasonable possibility that his past fraudulent behavior could result in a total waste of three years and $100k surely merits more effort than a single call to Bob Loblaw.


--Edit to fix the Loblaw reference. That would've been a disaster.

[rftdd888]

this thread is hilarious.

guys like "YEAH I COMMITTED A LIL INSURANCE FRAUD BUT OTHER THAN THAT IM A GOOD GUY LOL ROFL".

[LoyolaLaw2012]

How long ago was this incident?

For the record, I have a worse charge. However, it did not involve fraud, which schools tend to not like when reviewing a student's record.

[ViIIager]

How long ago was this incident?

For the record, I have a worse charge. However, it did not involve fraud, which schools tend to not like when reviewing a student's record.

Loyola? What's wrong, couldn't get into Haaaaaavahd (due to criminal activity)?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElKYO6izcvc

[romothesavior]

this thread is hilarious.

guys like "YEAH I COMMITTED A LIL INSURANCE FRAUD BUT OTHER THAN THAT IM A GOOD GUY LOL ROFL".

Haha this made me lol...

But yeah, I think the fact that we are dealing with fraud is more alarming than theft, vandalism, and maybe even DUIs. You can obviously explain those away by saying, "I was young, immature, it was a one time thing, etc." but you can't write off committing insurance fraud by saying you were young and immature. You straight up lied. That's gonna be tough to get over.

[LoyolaLaw2012]

How long ago was this incident?

For the record, I have a worse charge. However, it did not involve fraud, which schools tend to not like when reviewing a student's record.

Loyola? What's wrong, couldn't get into Haaaaaavahd (due to criminal activity)?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElKYO6izcvc

I haven't done enough drugs to get in to Harvard.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/28/fashi ... rtzel.html

And my LSAT was too high, apparently.

[bmercado]

idk my situation is kind of complicated (in my eyes at least). I wouldnt say that i committed insurance fraud because i never committed a false claim or spoke to an insurance representative. The only reason I received those charges was because the da thought that I helped my friend plan the whole thing out from the beginning. i was like a co-defendant, my friend was the main person being charged. What I did do was lie to the investigating police officer. I basically just confirmed the bs story that my friend made up. Then i called back like 2 hours later and confessed. Im not saying im a good guy or anything, i know i effed up by lying to the police officer, but its not like im the one who went the whole 100 yards with the insurance claims and lied to everyone and their mother. The reason why i got off so easy was because the da saw my previous clean record, education and volunteer record, and knew I had aspirations of being an attorney. For goodness sake im the president of a major religious club on campus.... all of this has to help in some way.??

[northwood]

Op get your head out of the sand. You agreed to help your friend lie. You agreed to help your friend make a false insurance claim. No one put a gun to your head, threatened your family, or your dog. The fact that you went to the police and told them, may have helped you get the deal that you got. The fact that you are a leader of a religous group on campus wont help you. You need some growing up to do, if you cant realize the severity of what you did, then you may do well taking some time off before you go to law school, if you decide to go at all. There are other careers out there where this wont be a barrier to entry. But having an attitude like your current one wont help you.

[bmercado]

northwood: Once again, im not posting all of the things I say because i have my head in the sand... I mention those things because i want to know if it will help my chances at all. I understand the gravity of the situation and i understand that law schools dont like offenses involving fraud. but your criticisms are not helping me in anyway, just adding to my frustrations and worries. so, in light of what i just said, a simple "no youre screwed" or "just disclose and pray" will suffice, rather than you trying to pass judgment on me. thanx

[dramaticpaws]

northwood: Once again, im not posting all of the things I say because i have my head in the sand... I mention those things because i want to know if it will help my chances at all. I understand the gravity of the situation and i understand that law schools dont like offenses involving fraud. but your criticisms are not helping me in anyway, just adding to my frustrations and worries. so, in light of what i just said, a simple "no youre screwed" or "just disclose and pray" will suffice, rather than you trying to pass judgment on me. thanx

A "religious" person asking not to be judged. That made me lol. In my experience, the biggest hypocrites and the most judgmental people I have ever met have described themselves as "religious".

[romothesavior]

northwood: Once again, im not posting all of the things I say because i have my head in the sand... I mention those things because i want to know if it will help my chances at all. I understand the gravity of the situation and i understand that law schools dont like offenses involving fraud. but your criticisms are not helping me in anyway, just adding to my frustrations and worries. so, in light of what i just said, a simple "no youre screwed" or "just disclose and pray" will suffice, rather than you trying to pass judgment on me. thanx

A "religious" person asking not to be judged. That made me lol. In my experience, the biggest hypocrites and the most judgmental people I have ever met have described themselves as "religious".

What does religion have to do with anything that has been said, is being said, or ever will be said ITT?

[dramaticpaws]

idk my situation is kind of complicated (in my eyes at least). I wouldnt say that i committed insurance fraud because i never committed a false claim or spoke to an insurance representative. The only reason I received those charges was because the da thought that I helped my friend plan the whole thing out from the beginning. i was like a co-defendant, my friend was the main person being charged. What I did do was lie to the investigating police officer. I basically just confirmed the bs story that my friend made up. Then i called back like 2 hours later and confessed. Im not saying im a good guy or anything, i know i effed up by lying to the police officer, but its not like im the one who went the whole 100 yards with the insurance claims and lied to everyone and their mother. The reason why i got off so easy was because the da saw my previous clean record, education and volunteer record, and knew I had aspirations of being an attorney. For goodness sake im the president of a major religious club on campus.... all of this has to help in some way.??

^^^ This.

[romothesavior]

For goodness sake im the president of a major religious club on campus.... all of this has to help in some way.??

^^^ This.

Stupid line? Yes.
Snark-worthy? Yes.
Is it ridiculous to tout yourself as a good person just because you are religious? Abso-f***ing-lutely yes.

But did it warrant the comment you made? Probably not.

[northwood]

northwood: Once again, im not posting all of the things I say because i have my head in the sand... I mention those things because i want to know if it will help my chances at all. I understand the gravity of the situation and i understand that law schools dont like offenses involving fraud. but your criticisms are not helping me in anyway, just adding to my frustrations and worries. so, in light of what i just said, a simple "no youre screwed" or "just disclose and pray" will suffice, rather than you trying to pass judgment on me. thanx

being a member of a group wont help your case. trying to explain yourself out of the mess/ putting any blame on someone or anything other than you wont help your case. Write an addedum with the facts, and how you have learned from it. ( got arrested for insurance fraud, plead out, did my thing.. heres what i learned) and apply to a wide range of schools. You may have shut the door on this profession in some states, maybe not in all.

If you write an addendum like the post i was referring to, then admissions people may very well interpret it like i did. Before you spend money applying to law schools, and definately before you take on the debt, i would strongly reccomend that you contact an attorney ( pay if you must) for their opinion on both law school, and what states you can still practice in.

good luck.. and yes,a prayer or 20 might be a good thing