CLASS OF 2019! MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE) Forum

[jbagelboy]

Is anyone else only seeing Columbia's numbers from last year when they click this link?

Try clearing your history/cookies or using another browser. For some reason, their site doesn't refresh the 2016 profile if you've been there before.

FIXED:
169 (+1) / 172 (+1) / 174 (+1)
3.56 (-0.03) / 3.70 / 3.81
392 (+4)

CLS is always ~172/3.7, with a 169/170 - 173/174 spread. In a year with low number of 170+ LSATs, the median is 171, and in a high year, it's 172+ (there was a 173 median year a while back).

[jbagelboy]

with HLS and CLS at the same LSAT median, I think Stanford will take #2 spot w/o a tie in 2017.

[goldenbear2020]

CLS is always ~172/3.7, with a 169/170 - 173/174 spread. In a year with low number of 170+ LSATs, the median is 171, and in a high year, it's 172+ (there was a 173 median year a while back).

Indeed, CLS has now been at 3.7/172 for 5 of the past 7 cycles.
http://www.lstscorereports.com/schools/columbia/

[goldenbear2020]

Stetson:
http://www.stetson.edu/law/about/home/profile.php

152 / 154 / 156
3.07 (+0.07) / 3.35 (+0.08) / 3.59
273 (+24)

[KMart]

273 (+24)

It pains me seeing these schools increasing class sizes.

[HaveMercy]

273 (+24)

It pains me seeing these schools increasing class sizes.

Why?

[Ifoundnemo]

273 (+24)

It pains me seeing these schools increasing class sizes.

Why?

More competition for jobs after graduating.

[KMart]

273 (+24)

It pains me seeing these schools increasing class sizes.

Why?

More competition for jobs after graduating.

No because there are no jobs from a lot of schools, so they're basically stealing money, straddling kids with debt, and then forcing them to pay debt with a job they could've gotten without law school.

[dietcoke1]

UC Berkeley

163(+1)/166/169(+1)
3.65(+0.01)/3.79(-0.01)/3.89(-0.01)
301(+7)

[Mikey]

UC Berkeley

163(+1)/166/169(+1)
3.65(+0.01)/3.79(-0.01)/3.89(-0.01)
301(+7)

I never realized how.. low? Berkeley's median LSAT was. Never really put any attention towards them since I'm most likely not applying there.

[dietcoke1]

spreadsheet updated

[goldenbear2020]

UC Berkeley

163(+1)/166/169(+1)
3.65(+0.01)/3.79(-0.01)/3.89(-0.01)
301(+7)

Their median LSAT has dropped below UCLA for the first time since 2012.

[proteinshake]

UC Berkeley

163(+1)/166/169(+1)
3.65(+0.01)/3.79(-0.01)/3.89(-0.01)
301(+7)

does being above median means anything when it comes to $$$ for Berk?

[bmathers]

273 (+24)

It pains me seeing these schools increasing class sizes.

Why?

More competition for jobs after graduating.

No because there are no jobs from a lot of schools, so they're basically stealing money, straddling kids with debt, and then forcing them to pay debt with a job they could've gotten without law school.

I think that that is a "fact" about TTT schools that has been parroted to the nth degree on this forum, when it may not be as bad as it's made out to be. Stetson had a 60% employment rate -- that is at, or slightly higher than, many lower ranked top tier LS's out there. If you want to work in the Tampa/central Florida area, I gotta believe that Stetson wouldn't be an awful decision.

Heck, one of my friends just graduated from the part-time program at Charlotte, did some interning at firms while a student, and graduated with multiple, local job offers... and Charlotte has the lowest employment % I have ever seen (30-35%) -- according to her, many of her classmates that made it to graduation did not do any internships and thought that their grades alone would land them a job... that train of thought may be slightly falsely inflating these numbers.

[cavalier1138]

many lower ranked top tier LS's

What kind of top tier school is lower-ranked?

Also, the rest of that post was nonsense. Students at these schools aren't thinking, "Gee, I don't need to get an internship because my TJLS degree is going to open up a world of opportunity for me." Students at Harvard don't even think they shouldn't get internships over the summer. The worst of the worst schools simply haven't got any opportunities for their students, because no legal institution in their right mind is going to hire someone from there.

[Hikikomorist]

273 (+24)

It pains me seeing these schools increasing class sizes.

Why?

Because they're basically street hustlers.

[RamTitan]

UC Berkeley

163(+1)/166/169(+1)
3.65(+0.01)/3.79(-0.01)/3.89(-0.01)
301(+7)

does being above median means anything when it comes to $$$ for Berk?

I'd like to know this as well

Edit - but my gut is making me doubt it for some reason....

[bmathers]

many lower ranked top tier LS's

What kind of top tier school is lower-ranked?

Also, the rest of that post was nonsense. Students at these schools aren't thinking, "Gee, I don't need to get an internship because my TJLS degree is going to open up a world of opportunity for me." Students at Harvard don't even think they shouldn't get internships over the summer. The worst of the worst schools simply haven't got any opportunities for their students, because no legal institution in their right mind is going to hire someone from there.

Lower ranked top tier, as in the bottom of top tier -- aka 45-50ish. The rest of that is just through multiple conversation with a friend, her real-life observations while attending (she just graduated). Do you have experience at one of these schools to debunk her comments through experience?

[runinthefront]

273 (+24)

It pains me seeing these schools increasing class sizes.

Why?

More competition for jobs after graduating.

No because there are no jobs from a lot of schools, so they're basically stealing money, straddling kids with debt, and then forcing them to pay debt with a job they could've gotten without law school.

I think that that is a "fact" about TTT schools that has been parroted to the nth degree on this forum, when it may not be as bad as it's made out to be. Stetson had a 60% employment rate -- that is at, or slightly higher than, many lower ranked top tier LS's out there. If you want to work in the Tampa/central Florida area, I gotta believe that Stetson wouldn't be an awful decision.

Heck, one of my friends just graduated from the part-time program at Charlotte, did some interning at firms while a student, and graduated with multiple, local job offers... and Charlotte has the lowest employment % I have ever seen (30-35%) -- according to her, many of her classmates that made it to graduation did not do any internships and thought that their grades alone would land them a job... that train of thought may be slightly falsely inflating these numbers.

None of my friends who graduated from Stetson last year/are graduating in the Spring have jobs lined up. Also, Stetson pays students to forgo taking the July after graduation. Stetson is a pretty shitty school.

[bmathers]

273 (+24)

It pains me seeing these schools increasing class sizes.

Why?

More competition for jobs after graduating.

No because there are no jobs from a lot of schools, so they're basically stealing money, straddling kids with debt, and then forcing them to pay debt with a job they could've gotten without law school.

I think that that is a "fact" about TTT schools that has been parroted to the nth degree on this forum, when it may not be as bad as it's made out to be. Stetson had a 60% employment rate -- that is at, or slightly higher than, many lower ranked top tier LS's out there. If you want to work in the Tampa/central Florida area, I gotta believe that Stetson wouldn't be an awful decision.

Heck, one of my friends just graduated from the part-time program at Charlotte, did some interning at firms while a student, and graduated with multiple, local job offers... and Charlotte has the lowest employment % I have ever seen (30-35%) -- according to her, many of her classmates that made it to graduation did not do any internships and thought that their grades alone would land them a job... that train of thought may be slightly falsely inflating these numbers.

None of my friends who graduated from Stetson last year/are graduating in the Spring have jobs lined up. Also, Stetson pays students to forgo taking the July after graduation. Stetson is a pretty shitty school.

The July... bars, I'm guessing? Why in the world do they pay students to forgo them? That sounds pretty unbelievable

[runinthefront]

The July Bar, yes. And many students are at risk of failing (which would, in turn, decrease their numbers--which are fairly strong all things considered), and that would have an adverse impact on their US News rankings, I'm sure.

[goldenbear2020]

None of my friends who graduated from Stetson last year/are graduating in the Spring have jobs lined up. Also, Stetson pays students to forgo taking the July after graduation. Stetson is a pretty shitty school.

The July... bars, I'm guessing? Why in the world do they pay students to forgo them? That sounds pretty unbelievable

Perhaps the thinking is that bar passage rates would go up if low-performing students took the Feb. bar (9 months after graduation) rather than July (2 months).

[runinthefront]

None of my friends who graduated from Stetson last year/are graduating in the Spring have jobs lined up. Also, Stetson pays students to forgo taking the July after graduation. Stetson is a pretty shitty school.

The July... bars, I'm guessing? Why in the world do they pay students to forgo them? That sounds pretty unbelievable

Perhaps the thinking is that bar passage rates would go up if low-performing students took the Feb. bar (9 months after graduation) rather than July (2 months).

Yes.

[bmathers]

None of my friends who graduated from Stetson last year/are graduating in the Spring have jobs lined up. Also, Stetson pays students to forgo taking the July after graduation. Stetson is a pretty shitty school.

The July... bars, I'm guessing? Why in the world do they pay students to forgo them? That sounds pretty unbelievable

Perhaps the thinking is that bar passage rates would go up if low-performing students took the Feb. bar (9 months after graduation) rather than July (2 months).

Yes.

Ouch, that's ugly... very ugly

[cavalier1138]

many lower ranked top tier LS's

What kind of top tier school is lower-ranked?

Also, the rest of that post was nonsense. Students at these schools aren't thinking, "Gee, I don't need to get an internship because my TJLS degree is going to open up a world of opportunity for me." Students at Harvard don't even think they shouldn't get internships over the summer. The worst of the worst schools simply haven't got any opportunities for their students, because no legal institution in their right mind is going to hire someone from there.

Lower ranked top tier, as in the bottom of top tier -- aka 45-50ish. The rest of that is just through multiple conversation with a friend, her real-life observations while attending (she just graduated). Do you have experience at one of these schools to debunk her comments through experience?

What schools in that tier have sub-60% employment rates (incidentally, the schools people are generally referring to here have much worse employment rates than that)?

And anecdotes are not data, nor are they persuasive. Your friend got a job, whoopee. That doesn't negate the fact that a large chunk of her classmates didn't. Now, she may be right, and it may be that her classmates all thought that their fantastic degrees guaranteed them employment, despite no one in the history of law school ever thinking this ever. But the fact is that they likely didn't have internship opportunities in the first place, because their school was in no position to help them find an internship.

Of course, you may be right. Charlotte may be a fantastic school populated almost exclusively by idiots who just don't know how to take advantage of the myriad opportunities Charlotte offers. Yeah. That sounds reasonable.