CLASS OF 2019! MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE) Forum

[cavalier1138]

Obviously Yale doesn't care, so this discussion is mad weird.

But it's way more fun than the incessant, "OMG, medians went up 0.001, I'm DOOOOOOMED" nonsense on this thread.

Also, gotta love goading people into asserting that a straight-A Rhodes Scholar Olympic champion somehow lacks the analytical ability to score above the 60th percentile on a logic test.

[cannibal ox]

Just so everyone knows, this is absolutely a regular practice from Yale to dip that low in terms of LSAT score. Obviously they take at least one person with a relatively low score per year that ostensibly has some soft factors that make up for it. Here's a history of the attendee with the lowest LSAT over the past few years:

Class of 2011: 154
Class of 2012: 152
Class of 2013: 158
Class of 2014: 157
Class of 2015: 157
Class of 2016: 152
Class of 2017: 158
Class of 2018: 160

[calpolisci2016]

Let's review our basic LSAT flaws.

Here's one:

All LSAT high scorers are smart. Does it necessarily mean all smart people are high LSAT scorers? Someone please tell me, I'm confused!

[AriGold33]

Just so everyone knows, this is absolutely a regular practice from Yale to dip that low in terms of LSAT score. Obviously they take at least one person with a relatively low score per year that ostensibly has some soft factors that make up for it. Here's a history of the attendee with the lowest LSAT over the past few years:

Wow I didn't know about this, a bit surprised that Yale regularly takes a low in the 150 range. Also a bit surprised that every year there's at least some people brave enough to apply to Yale with a 150s, really curious if these ppl knew they had a shot (amazing softs, gpa, maybe?) or were just throwing up a hail mary.

At first I thought it's not that surprising that theres a low of 153, this person could've been someone special, his app despite the lsat could've really resonated with law schools -- think overcame some crazy adversity, and has track record of doing the best he can in bad situations and still volunteers/gives back to community 20 hours a week, etc. But I'm a little hesitant to think that such a person exists every single year tho.

[cavalier1138]

Let's review our basic LSAT flaws.

Here's one:

All LSAT high scorers are smart. Does it necessarily mean all smart people are high LSAT scorers? Someone please tell me, I'm confused!

Please explain what you mean by "smart", because no one's made the idiotic claims you keep advancing.

And please consider the relative likelihood of these scenarios:
A. An exceptional student in every possible way simply cannot figure out how to take the LSAT and bombs it so badly that they just barely edge out half the competition.
B. A really mediocre student has rich/influential parents.

Do you really think that the former is more likely to occur during an admissions cycle? And do you really think that Yale has never admitted a bad student for legacy reasons? Before you answer, I'll give you a hint: the answer to the second question is that Yale is notorious for legacy admissions.

[vcap180]

Let's review our basic LSAT flaws.

Here's one:

All LSAT high scorers are smart. Does it necessarily mean all smart people are high LSAT scorers? Someone please tell me, I'm confused!

Please explain what you mean by "smart", because no one's made the idiotic claims you keep advancing.

And please consider the relative likelihood of these scenarios:
A. An exceptional student in every possible way simply cannot figure out how to take the LSAT and bombs it so badly that they just barely edge out half the competition.
B. A really mediocre student has rich/influential parents.

Do you really think that the former is more likely to occur during an admissions cycle? And do you really think that Yale has never admitted a bad student for legacy reasons? Before you answer, I'll give you a hint: the answer to the second question is that Yale is notorious for legacy admissions.

100000% this.

Occam's Razor dictates that this individual most likely has ties to someone super important (within Yale or otherwise); or perhaps it was Gucci Mane - they mention that there is a hip hop artist in the class of 2019.

A student with half of the achievements that were posited in that hypothetical scenario would absolutely manage to find a way to score above a 153 on the LSAT - even as a diagnostic.

[proteinshake]

Let's review our basic LSAT flaws.

Here's one:

All LSAT high scorers are smart. Does it necessarily mean all smart people are high LSAT scorers? Someone please tell me, I'm confused!

Please explain what you mean by "smart", because no one's made the idiotic claims you keep advancing.

And please consider the relative likelihood of these scenarios:
A. An exceptional student in every possible way simply cannot figure out how to take the LSAT and bombs it so badly that they just barely edge out half the competition.
B. A really mediocre student has rich/influential parents.

Do you really think that the former is more likely to occur during an admissions cycle? And do you really think that Yale has never admitted a bad student for legacy reasons? Before you answer, I'll give you a hint: the answer to the second question is that Yale is notorious for legacy admissions.

100000% this.

Occam's Razor dictates that this individual most likely has ties to someone super important (within Yale or otherwise); or perhaps it was Gucci Mane - they mention that there is a hip hop artist in the class of 2019.

A student with half of the achievements that were posited in that hypothetical scenario would absolutely manage to find a way to score above a 153 on the LSAT - even as a diagnostic.

probably Gucci Mane. had to be the reason they let him out of jail.

[littlewing67]

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[Huskies13!]

UF is now official--we've known a long time...but:
315 (+5)
156(+1)/160(+3)/161(+1)
3.33(+.05)/3.60(+1.0)/3.77(+.02)
https://www.law.ufl.edu/admissions/appl ... ss-profile

[calpolisci2016]

Let's review our basic LSAT flaws.

Here's one:

All LSAT high scorers are smart. Does it necessarily mean all smart people are high LSAT scorers? Someone please tell me, I'm confused!

Please explain what you mean by "smart", because no one's made the idiotic claims you keep advancing.

And please consider the relative likelihood of these scenarios:
A. An exceptional student in every possible way simply cannot figure out how to take the LSAT and bombs it so badly that they just barely edge out half the competition.
B. A really mediocre student has rich/influential parents.

Do you really think that the former is more likely to occur during an admissions cycle? And do you really think that Yale has never admitted a bad student for legacy reasons? Before you answer, I'll give you a hint: the answer to the second question is that Yale is notorious for legacy admissions.

Hm your point about legacy admits makes sense. Of course it's possible that they're a legacy admit. I just don't think being a 153 scorer precludes someone from being an academic achiever. We just don't know the circumstances. Being more likely to be something doesn't make it actually that something.

[bmathers]

Just so everyone knows, this is absolutely a regular practice from Yale to dip that low in terms of LSAT score. Obviously they take at least one person with a relatively low score per year that ostensibly has some soft factors that make up for it. Here's a history of the attendee with the lowest LSAT over the past few years:

Class of 2011: 154
Class of 2012: 152
Class of 2013: 158
Class of 2014: 157
Class of 2015: 157
Class of 2016: 152
Class of 2017: 158
Class of 2018: 160

I looked at the page for class of 2018 and one person was a "Wild Mushroom Forager" interesting

Now THAT'S a diversity statement,

[haus]

Just so everyone knows, this is absolutely a regular practice from Yale to dip that low in terms of LSAT score. Obviously they take at least one person with a relatively low score per year that ostensibly has some soft factors that make up for it. Here's a history of the attendee with the lowest LSAT over the past few years:

Class of 2011: 154
Class of 2012: 152
Class of 2013: 158
Class of 2014: 157
Class of 2015: 157
Class of 2016: 152
Class of 2017: 158
Class of 2018: 160

I looked at the page for class of 2018 and one person was a "Wild Mushroom Forager" interesting

Now THAT'S a diversity statement,

And imagine the leg up they will have when pursuing BIG (WILD) MUSHROOM LAW!

[goldenbear2020]

Northeastern:
http://www.northeastern.edu/law/about/quickfacts.html
http://www.northeastern.edu/law/admissi ... -year.html

152 / 161 / 162
3.30 / 3.55 / 3.69 (-0.06)

[Huskies13!]

Utah:
https://app.box.com/s/tgfow4p43hivwjs0uvnevjb4qwk9xnia
93 (+1)
156(+2)/158/161(+1)
3.33(-.03)/3.50(-.07)/3.69 (-.07)

[dietcoke1]

spreadsheet updated

[lnsl123]

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[grades??]

Couldn't the YLS admit with a 153 be a foreign student who was otherwise exceptional? Or a person who could not devote the time needed to master the LSAT because they were doing something incredibly exceptional and time consuming? I feel like a legacy would have the resources and status to devote to quality LSAT prep and would score higher than a 153.

Or its both. Or its Prince Harry. Or it doesn't matter. No one on this website is this person. The person who gets into Yale with a 150-160 score got in for reasons all together separate from the lsat. It would just be a formality to have a score at all for admittance in this person's circumstance.

[hiltopp01]

omg harvard to 172!

3.94 / 3.86 / 3.76 (-.02, 0, +.01)
175 / 172 / 170 (0, -1, 0)

[proteinshake]

omg harvard to 172!

3.94 / 3.86 / 3.76 (-.02, 0, +.01)
175 / 172 / 170 (0, -1, 0)

source?

[proteinshake]

oh wow, Harvard dropped to 172: http://hls.harvard.edu/dept/jdadmission ... and-facts/

[elcamino4]

or perhaps it was Gucci Mane

BURR!!

[carlos_danger]

Really odd. Wasn't this supposed to be an up cycle, with more higher scoring applicants than the past few years?

oh wow, Harvard dropped to 172: http://hls.harvard.edu/dept/jdadmission ... and-facts/

[proteinshake]

Really odd. Wasn't this supposed to be an up cycle, with more higher scoring applicants than the past few years?

oh wow, Harvard dropped to 172: http://hls.harvard.edu/dept/jdadmission ... and-facts/

yes. and it was. maybe a lot of them had crap GPAs? idk.

[Huskies13!]

In bigger news...Cincinnati dropped:
https://www.law.uc.edu/prospective-stud ... -admission
155(0)
3.47 (-.12)

[RictusErectus]

omg harvard to 172!

3.94 / 3.86 / 3.76 (-.02, 0, +.01)
175 / 172 / 170 (0, -1, 0)

*adopts voice of Arwen from LOTR*

"There is still hope..."