CLASS OF 2019! MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE) Forum

[goldenbear2020]

Guys I'm no longer a median splitter at Yale! Doesn't exactly make it any easier to get in of course.

The 25th drops are quite interesting...definitely taking more splitters/reverse splitters to keep those medians up.

[goldenbear2020]

UNC:
http://www.law.unc.edu/documents/admiss ... t16-17.pdf

158 (-2) / 161 / 163 (-1)
3.31 / 3.51 (+0.02) / 3.70 (+0.02)
216 (-8)

[Nachoo2019]

Yep, simply using automated alerts...

Yale:
https://www.law.yale.edu/admissions/pro ... ss-profile

170 (-1) / 173 / 176
3.79 (-0.07) /3.89 (-0.04) / 3.97 (-0.01)
210 (+10)

Did I read that correctly? Their lowest LSAT was a 153??????? Wtf?

[ashrice13]

Yep, simply using automated alerts...

Yale:
https://www.law.yale.edu/admissions/pro ... ss-profile

170 (-1) / 173 / 176
3.79 (-0.07) /3.89 (-0.04) / 3.97 (-0.01)
210 (+10)

Did I read that correctly? Their lowest LSAT was a 153??????? Wtf?

I'm going to Yale!

[RictusErectus]

Yep, simply using automated alerts...

Yale:
https://www.law.yale.edu/admissions/pro ... ss-profile

170 (-1) / 173 / 176
3.79 (-0.07) /3.89 (-0.04) / 3.97 (-0.01)
210 (+10)

Did I read that correctly? Their lowest LSAT was a 153??????? Wtf?

Hats off to the guy with a 153 who sent in an app to Yale. A sign for all of us to dream big.

[Kopetz]

Yep, simply using automated alerts...

Yale:
https://www.law.yale.edu/admissions/pro ... ss-profile

170 (-1) / 173 / 176
3.79 (-0.07) /3.89 (-0.04) / 3.97 (-0.01)
210 (+10)

Did I read that correctly? Their lowest LSAT was a 153??????? Wtf?

Hats off to the guy with a 153 who sent in an app to Yale. A sign for all of us to dream big.

seriously, that takes a real pair of strong softs

[vcap180]

Yale admitted a 153? Just imagine how out of place that person is going to feel. Although I'm sure their hook was such that their competitive disadvantage won't even matter. Must be the kid of someone important or something.

Question:

Generally speaking, how would you rank the competitiveness of applicants in the following positions:
(1) right at both medians (2) right below both medians (3) slightly above one median and slightly below the other 4) 2-4 points above the 75th LSAT and slightly below the 25th GPA.

My friend and I were debating this and I'dlike to hear your thoughts. Assume we are talking about non t14, tier 1 schools.

I think person (1) is in the best spot; he thinks it's person (4). He's also a splitter haha.

[calpolisci2016]

And YLS managed to increase their class size by 10. Interesting.

[proteinshake]

Yep, simply using automated alerts...

Yale:
https://www.law.yale.edu/admissions/pro ... ss-profile

170 (-1) / 173 / 176
3.79 (-0.07) /3.89 (-0.04) / 3.97 (-0.01)
210 (+10)

Did I read that correctly? Their lowest LSAT was a 153??????? Wtf?

Hats off to the guy with a 153 who sent in an app to Yale. A sign for all of us to dream big.

seriously, that takes a real pair of strong softs

http://abovethelaw.com/2016/03/prince-h ... which-one/

maybe it's Prince Harry

[RamTitan]

Yale admitted a 153? Just imagine how out of place that person is going to feel. Although I'm sure their hook was such that their competitive disadvantage won't even matter. Must be the kid of someone important or something.

Question:

Generally speaking, how would you rank the competitiveness of applicants in the following positions:
(1) right at both medians (2) right below both medians (3) slightly above one median and slightly below the other 4) 2-4 points above the 75th LSAT and slightly below the 25th GPA.

My friend and I were debating this and I'dlike to hear your thoughts. Assume we are talking about non t14, tier 1 schools.

I think person (1) is in the best spot; he thinks it's person (4). He's also a splitter haha.

Good question; I think it's highly school dependent. For example, an LSAT hound like Washu would probably take #4 over the others.

[theconsigliere]

Yep, simply using automated alerts...

Yale:
https://www.law.yale.edu/admissions/pro ... ss-profile

170 (-1) / 173 / 176
3.79 (-0.07) /3.89 (-0.04) / 3.97 (-0.01)
210 (+10)

1. Harvard
2. Yale

[RamTitan]

Yep, simply using automated alerts...

Yale:
https://www.law.yale.edu/admissions/pro ... ss-profile

170 (-1) / 173 / 176
3.79 (-0.07) /3.89 (-0.04) / 3.97 (-0.01)
210 (+10)

1. Harvard
2. Yale

Why do you say that? Are Harvard's numbers out yet?

[RamTitan]

Yep, simply using automated alerts...

Yale:
https://www.law.yale.edu/admissions/pro ... ss-profile

170 (-1) / 173 / 176
3.79 (-0.07) /3.89 (-0.04) / 3.97 (-0.01)
210 (+10)

1. Harvard
2. Yale

Why do you say that? Are Harvard's numbers out yet?

[theboringest]

Pack it up Yale you had a good run.

[Mikey]

A 153?

[raven1231]

Does the 153 really matter? I mean I'm blown away they accepted the student but let's be real a 153 can turn into whatever and the hell someone wants it to with repeated studying and testing (obviously a slight exaggeration). The 153 was likely his first attempt, and with little to no studying. I highly doubt he will be far from median at Yale. I took the test cold and got a 151, retook it with only a month and a half of studying and scored a 162, and am now preparing to get in the 168-170 range.

[cavalier1138]

Does the 153 really matter? I mean I'm blown away they accepted the student but let's be real a 153 can turn into whatever and the hell someone wants it to with repeated studying and testing (obviously a slight exaggeration). The 153 was likely his first attempt, and with little to no studying. I highly doubt he will be far from median at Yale. I took the test cold and got a 151, retook it with only a month and a half of studying and scored a 162, and am now preparing to get in the 168-170 range.

By that logic, schools should stop going by the LSAT altogether, since everyone has the potential to score a 180.

But you're correct, the student won't be far from the median at Yale, because it's literally impossible to be far from the median at Yale with their grading system.

[raven1231]

Does the 153 really matter? I mean I'm blown away they accepted the student but let's be real a 153 can turn into whatever and the hell someone wants it to with repeated studying and testing (obviously a slight exaggeration). The 153 was likely his first attempt, and with little to no studying. I highly doubt he will be far from median at Yale. I took the test cold and got a 151, retook it with only a month and a half of studying and scored a 162, and am now preparing to get in the 168-170 range.

By that logic, schools should stop going by the LSAT altogether, since everyone has the potential to score a 180.

But you're correct, the student won't be far from the median at Yale, because it's literally impossible to be far from the median at Yale with their grading system.

Nope. All that I am saying is that it is only one factor, and honestly one that likely has very little correlation with class rank. There are too many variables that go along with the test. Which of course is why they consider GPA and softs as well.

[kingpin101]

Does the 153 really matter? I mean I'm blown away they accepted the student but let's be real a 153 can turn into whatever and the hell someone wants it to with repeated studying and testing (obviously a slight exaggeration). The 153 was likely his first attempt, and with little to no studying. I highly doubt he will be far from median at Yale. I took the test cold and got a 151, retook it with only a month and a half of studying and scored a 162, and am now preparing to get in the 168-170 range.

By that logic, schools should stop going by the LSAT altogether, since everyone has the potential to score a 180.

But you're correct, the student won't be far from the median at Yale, because it's literally impossible to be far from the median at Yale with their grading system.

Nope. All that I am saying is that it is only one factor, and honestly one that likely has very little correlation with class rank. There are too many variables that go along with the test. Which of course is why they consider GPA and softs as well.

Little correlation? Tell me another variable that exists with a greater correlation than the LSAT.

[LikelyThrowaway]

Does the 153 really matter? I mean I'm blown away they accepted the student but let's be real a 153 can turn into whatever and the hell someone wants it to with repeated studying and testing (obviously a slight exaggeration). The 153 was likely his first attempt, and with little to no studying. I highly doubt he will be far from median at Yale. I took the test cold and got a 151, retook it with only a month and a half of studying and scored a 162, and am now preparing to get in the 168-170 range.

By that logic, schools should stop going by the LSAT altogether, since everyone has the potential to score a 180.

But you're correct, the student won't be far from the median at Yale, because it's literally impossible to be far from the median at Yale with their grading system.

Nope. All that I am saying is that it is only one factor, and honestly one that likely has very little correlation with class rank. There are too many variables that go along with the test. Which of course is why they consider GPA and softs as well.

Little correlation? Tell me another variable that exists with a greater correlation than the LSAT.

LSAT + GPA combined correlates better than LSAT alone.

The 153 is indeed a red herring though. There was definitely something special about that person. If you're that kind of special, you'd know, and if you're not it doesn't matter for you.

[calpolisci2016]

Butt hurt people ITT. Frankly, it's arrogant for any of you to deride someone for getting into a law school based on their LSAT. You don't know better than the ad comm, you don't have the experience, you haven't sat in a law school class long enough to know what makes for a worthwhile experience for everybody, you don't have the authority to plan or contribute to whatever vision they have for their whole student body. If you don't like the fact that a law school (the highest ranked school, for that matter) accepts 153 LSAT scorers and you are way too good to be sitting next to a 153 LSAT scorer in a classroom, then don't take the risk and don't apply to that law school.

[calpolisci2016]

All we're doing is speculating and making the worst possible assumptions about that person. What if that 153 scorer has a 4.3 GPA from MIT EECS, a fencing Olympic champion, a Rhodes scholar, and the president of their political student union? And they knew they were such hot shit and were too busy to grind away on the LSAT to try to get a high score? They could've been so confident about their abilities that they figured the LSAT grind was not worth their time because they were doing something way better. We just don't know who that person is, so don't assume the worst.

[Hikikomorist]

All we're doing is speculating and making the worst possible assumptions about that person. What if that 153 scorer has a 4.3 GPA from MIT EECS, a fencing Olympic champion, a Rhodes scholar, and the president of their political student union? And they knew they were such hot shit and were too busy to grind away on the LSAT to try to get a high score? They could've been so confident about their abilities that they figured the LSAT grind was not worth their time because they were doing something way better. We just don't know who that person is, so don't assume the worst.

If the person has such a strong background, I'd be concerned about a 153 LSAT, even as a diagnostic score.

[runinthefront]

Obviously Yale doesn't care, so this discussion is mad weird.

[calpolisci2016]

All we're doing is speculating and making the worst possible assumptions about that person. What if that 153 scorer has a 4.3 GPA from MIT EECS, a fencing Olympic champion, a Rhodes scholar, and the president of their political student union? And they knew they were such hot shit and were too busy to grind away on the LSAT to try to get a high score? They could've been so confident about their abilities that they figured the LSAT grind was not worth their time because they were doing something way better. We just don't know who that person is, so don't assume the worst.

If the person has such a strong background, I'd be concerned about a 153 LSAT, even as a diagnostic score.

Lmao. You're so fixated on a LSAT score and how that's supposed to correlate with someone's intellectual worth. Yeah I'm sure the person I described BS'd their way through a Rhodes scholar and MIT EECCS only to be exposed and thwarted by the all-knowing, omniscient LSAT. Get a grip, my friend.