CLASS OF 2018 MEDIANS! (LSAT/GPA/Class Size) Forum

whitespider · Post by **whitespider** » Sun Aug 23, 2015 1:50 am

Indiana - Bloomington (Maurer)

161 (0)
3.77 (+.05)

155 Enrolled (-28)

http://law.indiana.edu/degrees/jd/index ... assprofile

whitespider · Post by **whitespider** » Sun Aug 23, 2015 2:00 am

Richmond Law

155/160/161 (0/0/-1)
3.22/3.51/3.65 (+.01/+.01/+.04)

175 Enrolled (+42)

Lord Randolph McDuff · Post by **Lord Randolph McDuff** » Sun Aug 23, 2015 12:20 pm

Huskies13! wrote:Colorado up:
206 (+40!)
161 (0)
3.60 (-.02)
http://www.colorado.edu/law/admissions/ ... st-21-2015

70% out of state students (tuition) and a massive increase in the size of the 1L class.

$$$$$

tenneb30 · Post by **tenneb30** » Sun Aug 23, 2015 12:37 pm

Michigan -15% does something seem totally off or is it just me? It's 15% move either way is one thing, but a decrease is a huge topic. Being overlooked on this forum?

Mack.Hambleton · Post by **Mack.Hambleton** » Sun Aug 23, 2015 1:09 pm

tenneb30 wrote:Michigan -15% does something seem totally off or is it just me? It's 15% move either way is one thing, but a decrease is a huge topic. Being overlooked on this forum?

Decreasing class size allows them to hold medians and improve job stats. Lots of schools are doing it

PeanutsNJam · Post by **PeanutsNJam** » Sun Aug 23, 2015 1:10 pm

Decreasing class size is never a bad thing.

Tiago Splitter · Post by **Tiago Splitter** » Sun Aug 23, 2015 1:14 pm

tenneb30 wrote:Michigan -15% does something seem totally off or is it just me? It's 15% move either way is one thing, but a decrease is a huge topic. Being overlooked on this forum?

My guess is no one outside of this thread knows about it yet. The drop is actually more like 28% since 2010.

What's really crazy to me is that they dropped 48 1L's from last year to this year but didn't improve any of their numbers.

ms9 · Post by **ms9** » Sun Aug 23, 2015 1:55 pm

Mack.Hambleton wrote:
tenneb30 wrote:Michigan -15% does something seem totally off or is it just me? It's 15% move either way is one thing, but a decrease is a huge topic. Being overlooked on this forum?
Decreasing class size allows them to hold medians and improve job stats. Lots of schools are doing it

It will be a trend we will see repeated again and again this past cycle (as was the case in the past few cycles but more prominent at the top this year because of the diminished scoring LSAT folks.)

Monochromatic Oeuvre · Post by **Monochromatic Oeuvre** » Sun Aug 23, 2015 5:15 pm

Michigan should probably just cut its class size in half every year until its placement numbers don't blow.

zhenders · Post by **zhenders** » Sun Aug 23, 2015 6:25 pm

Tiago Splitter wrote:
tenneb30 wrote:Michigan -15% does something seem totally off or is it just me? It's 15% move either way is one thing, but a decrease is a huge topic. Being overlooked on this forum?
My guess is no one outside of this thread knows about it yet. The drop is actually more like 28% since 2010.

What's really crazy to me is that they dropped 48 1L's from last year to this year but didn't improve any of their numbers.

It seems possible that in dropping the bottom 48 1Ls, they're also dropping 48 people who would definitely be paying sticker -- which may in turn mean that there is some negative offset that has to happen w/r/t mid-level candidate scholarships, leading to many candidates around median turning down offers. I'm especially curious about what the scholarship numbers will look like this year compared to years past with Michigan and many other schools. I think we'll continue to see more full-rides all-around, and in those cases when class sizes significantly shrink, fewer 25-75% scholarships. Thoughts?

TheodoreKGB · Post by **TheodoreKGB** » Sun Aug 23, 2015 6:30 pm

Kinky John · Post by **Kinky John** » Sun Aug 23, 2015 6:39 pm

zhenders wrote:It seems possible that in dropping the bottom 48 1Ls, they're also dropping 48 people who would definitely be paying sticker -- which may in turn mean that there is some negative offset that has to happen w/r/t mid-level candidate scholarships, leading to many candidates around median turning down offers. I'm especially curious about what the scholarship numbers will look like this year compared to years past with Michigan and many other schools. I think we'll continue to see more full-rides all-around, and in those cases when class sizes significantly shrink, fewer 25-75% scholarships. Thoughts?

It's possible, but it's a big assumption to make. I think we'll see many schools giving out slightly more money but nothing too radical.

Kinky John · Post by **Kinky John** » Sun Aug 23, 2015 6:44 pm

TheodoreKGB wrote:In a previous post, Paul Campos figured that that enrollment drop cost Michigan $12 mill

Edit: That's a hefty fuckin price to pay for US News

Ostensibly a significant portion of their budget but hardly a dent in an $8+ billion parent endowment.

Mack.Hambleton · Post by **Mack.Hambleton** » Sun Aug 23, 2015 8:53 pm

Kinky John wrote:
TheodoreKGB wrote:In a previous post, Paul Campos figured that that enrollment drop cost Michigan $12 mill

Edit: That's a hefty fuckin price to pay for US News
Ostensibly a significant portion of their budget but hardly a dent in an $8+ billion parent endowment.

Yeah Michigan has a top ten endowment they'll be fine lol

Monochromatic Oeuvre · Post by **Monochromatic Oeuvre** » Mon Aug 24, 2015 3:43 am

TheodoreKGB wrote:In a previous post, Paul Campos figured that that enrollment drop cost Michigan $12 mill

Edit: That's a hefty fuckin price to pay for US News

WUSTL is a significantly smaller and poorer school and pays at least $12M a year in scholarships, all of which is basically for US News.

But given that US News is far and away the number one determinant of where the average applicant chooses to go to school, I'd put a market value of moving up one spot in the rankings as well over $12M.

a93212 · Post by **a93212** » Mon Aug 24, 2015 4:21 pm

NYU doesn't disclose its LSAT median on its website. Is there a reason for this? How can we be sure that 170 is still the median?

eriedoctrine · Post by **eriedoctrine** » Tue Aug 25, 2015 3:52 am

Monochromatic Oeuvre wrote:
TheodoreKGB wrote:In a previous post, Paul Campos figured that that enrollment drop cost Michigan $12 mill

Edit: That's a hefty fuckin price to pay for US News
WUSTL is a significantly smaller and poorer school and pays at least $12M a year in scholarships, all of which is basically for US News.

But given that US News is far and away the number one determinant of where the average applicant chooses to go to school, I'd put a market value of moving up one spot in the rankings as well over $12M.

This.

Also, international applicants treat the US News Rankings as gospel (mostly because aside from a handful of well known US schools, international employers literally just consult the rankings), and those applicants are a huge source of $$$.

Schools such as Vandy, WashU, Rice, Emory, and Tufts are now much more widely known, and are considered highly prestigious in Asia.

JonTheMandamus · Post by **JonTheMandamus** » Tue Aug 25, 2015 4:34 am

Top ranked private schools get tons of funding that make it possible for them to push through year-to-year changes in enrollment/tuition revenue.

Edit: *actually a lot of private schools, not just the top ones

Johann · Post by **Johann** » Tue Aug 25, 2015 7:56 am

Seems like a lot of schools in the second tier like Richmond are also increasing their headcounts. Interesting.

Sonar80 · Post by **Sonar80** » Tue Aug 25, 2015 9:06 am

UF completely up. Spivey was correct (as usual)

Class Size: 310 (+3)
Medians: 157/3.50
LSAT 75th/25th: 160/155
GPA 75/25th: 3.28/3.68

http://www.law.ufl.edu/admissions/apply ... ss-profile

tenneb30 · Post by **tenneb30** » Tue Aug 25, 2015 10:52 am

Age 51 for UF? Lol never too young I guess...

basedvulpes · Post by **basedvulpes** » Tue Aug 25, 2015 10:55 am

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TexasENG · Post by **TexasENG** » Tue Aug 25, 2015 11:01 am

basedvulpes wrote:
tenneb30 wrote:Age 51 for UF? Lol never too young I guess...
I'm more surprised by the 18

Wow that's crazy. I knew a couple of people that went through college 1-2 years younger than the rest and they generally agree they didn't have a good time. Couldn't go out and drink / perceived as too immature to have many friends. I can't imagine graduating at 18.

urbanist11 · Post by **urbanist11** » Tue Aug 25, 2015 11:01 am

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TexasENG · Post by **TexasENG** » Tue Aug 25, 2015 11:05 am

urbanist11 wrote:Here's one I'm sure people have been anxious to see

Charleston Law

FT
GPA: 3.23 (-.08)/2.93 (-.1)/2.66 (-.03)
LSAT: 149 (-2)/146 (-2)/143
79 students (-348!!)

PT
GPA: 2.77 (-.6)/2.34 (-.34)/2.24 (-.17)
LSAT: 150 (-1)/145/142 (-1)
6 students (-104!!)

http://www.charlestonlaw.edu/Prospectiv ... ofile.aspx

Weren't they going to kill the entire 2018 class? Are the people who are going there not able to use the internet? A 5 second google search should be enough to convince anyone to not attend there.