CLASS OF 2019! MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE) Forum

[proteinshake]

This is a deeply uninteresting topic and an unwelcome derailment for most people. You have the GPA that you have, and higher is always better. Arguing about its relative weight is utterly meaningless and won't change the actions of a single person applying this cycle.

Can't this at least get its own thread so we can continue discussing medians?

Feel free to post some new medians then. This conversation isn't happening at the expense of new median posts, it's happening because there apparently aren't any new medians to post about.

this. it's not like anything else was gonna get talked about.

[calpolisci2016]

A 3.95 LSAC GPA could mean that you spent two years in a community college before transferring up to a harder school. Or it could mean that your school inflates grades. Or your school might just offer A+ grades (not everyone's does). Or it could mean that you didn't take harder classes as a freshman. For example, my only two grades in undergrad that fell below a B were because I was taking extremely hard courses and was way out of my depth. I thought the topics sounded interesting, and I wasn't prepared for the coursework due to not having the right background. Friends of mine who deliberately didn't take high credit loads and took easier courses had higher GPAs.

No one claimed it was easy. But the LSAC GPA tells you very little about what factors affected that GPA. It's nothing to do with a "soft major", but the right course selection can do wonders for your grades.

You're also ignoring the difference between a "soft major" and a "soft school". If you think an A student at Princeton is the same as an A student at Cal State Northridge, you haven't taken a class at Cal State.

And yet people consistently can't break 160 on the test. And yet people constantly complain that they just "aren't good test-takers" (as though that somehow helps them in law school). The notion that everyone who didn't get a 4.0 in college partied all the time (or that everyone who did get a 4.0 never went out) is idiotic.

So I see that you agree gauging an applicant's ability based on their performance in an unrelated class three to four years ago is probably not as good as gauging their current ability by a proctored exam. Great. We agree.

I'm not sure if anyone has broken GPAs down into percentiles, but we know that a 170 generally sits around the 97th-98th. You also misread the chart, which says that 4,500 people over three years of LSAT takers scored in that band. So it's actually about 1500 people in that band per year, which is not even enough to fill classes at the T14.

I'd say that you were talking about a URM candidate.

The way I see it, many variables also means plenty of opportunities to mess up. Just like how those variables can be gamed for someone's benefit, as you say.

I don't like the idea of people deriding someone with a 3.95/163 getting into a T14 school because their GPA means a lot too.

And I qualified my claim when I said that a high GPA is hard to earn at a reasonable competitive school. You can presume to exclude CSUN from that category.

[KMart]

This is a deeply uninteresting topic and an unwelcome derailment for most people. You have the GPA that you have, and higher is always better. Arguing about its relative weight is utterly meaningless and won't change the actions of a single person applying this cycle.

Can't this at least get its own thread so we can continue discussing medians?

Feel free to post some new medians then. This conversation isn't happening at the expense of new median posts, it's happening because there apparently aren't any new medians to post about.

this. it's not like anything else was gonna get talked about.

We can make other threads to keep the forum organized. This is a thread for law school medians, but a thread discussing the merits of grade inflation and gpa correlation with LSAT scores would be a more welcomed, organized way to have this discussion and let everyone win.

[proteinshake]

University of Dayton

Undergraduate GPA Ranges by Quartile
75th Percentile 3.40 (-.02)
Median 3.14 (+.10)
25th Percentile 2.84 (+.01)

LSAT Ranges by Quartile
75th Percentile 152 (+1)
Median 149 (+1)
25th Percentile 145 (+1)

[TheReal1]

University of North Carolina

Median LSAT- 161
Median GPA 3.51

They haven't posted the entire stats for the Class of 2019, but they did post these numbers under their "FAQs"
http://www.law.unc.edu/admissions/faq/

[Baby Gaga]

University of North Carolina

Median LSAT- 161
Median GPA 3.51

They haven't posted the entire stats for the Class of 2019, but they did post these numbers under their "FAQs"
http://www.law.unc.edu/admissions/faq/

So LSAT is the same and GPA up 0.02
There's a typo on that page so I don't know what the size of the entering class is (unless there are 21 students)

[bmathers]

University of North Carolina

Median LSAT- 161
Median GPA 3.51

They haven't posted the entire stats for the Class of 2019, but they did post these numbers under their "FAQs"
http://www.law.unc.edu/admissions/faq/

That is one of my stretch schools right now, hoping to make it a target school after the Sept LSAT. I have a 3.3 and am out-of-state for UNC - thinking I may need a 163-164+ to feel confident about my chances and snag some $$?

[Gitaroo_Dude]

That is one of my stretch schools right now, hoping to make it a target school after the Sept LSAT. I have a 3.3 and am out-of-state for UNC - thinking I may need a 163-164+ to feel confident about my chances and snag some $$?

I'm not sure you could expect much money with a 164/3.3 at UNC. I've run a 168/3.4 through MyLSN and also looked at LSN's applicant stats from last cycle, and UNC didn't seem to give out more than 40k for all three years. They seem to be stingier with merit aid than some of their peers, even neighboring ones like W&M.

[TheReal1]

University of North Carolina

Median LSAT- 161
Median GPA 3.51

They haven't posted the entire stats for the Class of 2019, but they did post these numbers under their "FAQs"
http://www.law.unc.edu/admissions/faq/

So LSAT is the same and GPA up 0.02
There's a typo on that page so I don't know what the size of the entering class is (unless there are 21 students)

I think it is around ~215 this year. Not 100% sure

[goldenbear2020]

Washington & Lee:
https://law.wlu.edu/admissions/program- ... 19-profile
160
3.47 (+0.06)
117 (-2)

Kansas:
https://law.ku.edu/profile
156
3.43 (+0.01)
112 (-14)

Belmont:
http://news.belmont.edu/belmont-law-wel ... fall-2016/
155 (+1)
3.42 (+0.01)
104 (+15)

Rutgers:
https://law.rutgers.edu/quick-facts
152 (-1) / 155 / 157 (-1)
3.07 (+0.11) / 3.39 (+0.11) / 3.65 (+0.11)
320 (-35)

Liberty:
http://www.liberty.edu/law/class-profile-2019/
150 / 152 (-1) / 155 (-2)
2.93 (-0.05) / 3.43 (-0.02) / 3.81 (+0.05)
64 (+13)

Arkansas - Little Rock:
http://ualr.edu/law/entering-class-profile/
147 (+1) / 151 (+1) / 155
3.04 (+0.02) / 3.31 (+0.06) / 3.53 (+0.01)
144 (+26)

Nova Southeastern:
https://www.law.nova.edu/prospective/en ... ofile.html
146 / 149 / 152 (+1)
2.88 (+0.09) / 3.10 (-0.01) / 3.35 (+0.02)
240 (+13)

Ave Maria:
http://www.avemarialaw.edu/law-schools/ ... s-profile/
143 (+1) / 147 (-1) / 151 (-2)
2.83 (+0.12) / 3.07 (+0.07) / 3.37 (-0.02)
87 (-26)

Charleston:
http://www.charlestonlaw.edu/Prospectiv ... Class.aspx
142 (-1) / 144 (-2) / 149
2.70 (+0.11) / 3.02 (+0.13) / 3.32 (+0.11)
201 (+116)

[RareExports]

Dammit, Charleston

[theconsigliere]

Dammit, Charleston

+116, wow.

[Cloture]

lol lol at the Charleston website.

Gender split. Women outnumber women in the full-time program by a 111-74 margin.

[UVAIce]

Dammit, Charleston

+116, wow.

Someone obviously needz those tuition $$$.

[ponderingmeerkat]

Dammit, Charleston

+116, wow.

Someone obviously needz those tuition $$$.

Should be viewed as predatory behavior akin to payday loan sharking.

[sonyco]

NYU
http://www.law.nyu.edu/jdadmissions/app ... assprofile

LSAT
166 (0)/ 169 (0)/ 171 (0)

GPA
3.7 (+.09)/ 3.8 (+.02)/ 3.9 (+.03)

Class
431 (+5)

[Mikey]

NYU
http://www.law.nyu.edu/jdadmissions/app ... assprofile

LSAT
166 (0)/ 169 (0)/ 171 (0)

GPA
3.7 (+.09)/ 3.8 (+.02)/ 3.9 (+.03)

Class
431 (+5)

OH SHIT

[goldenbear2020]

NYU
http://www.law.nyu.edu/jdadmissions/app ... assprofile

LSAT
166 (0)/ 169 (0)/ 171 (0)

GPA
3.7 (+.09)/ 3.8 (+.02)/ 3.9 (+.03)

Class
431 (+5)

Those GPAs look rounded to the nearest 0.1, so the only substantive change may be the 25th GPA (about +0.1).

[HYPSM]

NYU
http://www.law.nyu.edu/jdadmissions/app ... assprofile

LSAT
166 (0)/ 169 (0)/ 171 (0)

GPA
3.7 (+.09)/ 3.8 (+.02)/ 3.9 (+.03)

Class
431 (+5)

Those GPAs look rounded to the nearest 0.1, so the only substantive change may be the 25th GPA (about +0.1).

Yeah, that's kind of strange actually--why are all the number rounded? I will not accept this trickery!

[vcap180]

i cant imagine Charleston will hold on to that ABA accred much longer

[goldenbear2020]

St. John's:
http://www.stjohns.edu/law/admissions/class-fact-sheet

152 (-2) / 158 / 160 (+1)
3.16 (-0.10) / 3.56 (+0.02) / 3.72 (-0.01)
233 (+9)

[dietcoke1]

spreadsheet updated

[goldenbear2020]

Denver:
http://www.law.du.edu/index.php/admissi ... statistics

154 / 157 / 158
3.11 (-0.03) / 3.39 (-0.04) / 3.60 (-0.01)
249 (-1)

[haus]

i cant imagine Charleston will hold on to that ABA accred much longer

This of course assumes that the ABA is concerned with maintaining an appearance of credibility

[goldenbear2020]

Montana:
https://www.umt.edu/law/admissions/clas ... efault.php

151 (+2) / 154 (+1) / 158 (+2)
3.06 / 3.34 (-0.04) / 3.65 (+0.02)
77 (+6)