ITT: New School Medians Revealed Forum

[soj]

Does the increase in emphasis on WE mean that it's getting harder for splitters w/o WE to get in, or does it mean that 3.95+/175+'s w/o WE are getting dinged more often as well?

Do you really need reassurance on this point every week or something?

[Nom Sawyer]

The very significant rise in the increase in straight-through kids lends support to your conclusion.

24% for the Class of 2014 vs 28% for the Class of 2013; looks like a decrease to me.

Yeah actually I think its more of the fact that 7000 v. 8000 students isn't that much of a difference in terms of a class of 550. You're going to be able to pick pretty easily out of that based on whatever metrics (numbers and softs) that you want.

For example Class of 2012 and earlier were much closer to 50% straight out of college, but Class of 2013 had 28% straight through and now Class of 2014 had only 24% straight through. This fact (which seems to be influenced by JR's choices in admits) combined with the rising medians seems to suggest that Harvard is still putting a decent amount of consideration towards softs once a certain numbers bar has been met.

Does the increase in emphasis on WE mean that it's getting harder for splitters w/o WE to get in, or does it mean that 3.95+/175+'s w/o WE are getting dinged more often as well?

Lol definitely only the former and not the latter. A 3.95+/ 175+ is a whole different matter and its more like you need blatant negatives or something else that stands out badly in order to be rejected.

[PDaddy]

I don't understand all of the stat-mongering. In the end, you need to do your absolute best...whatever that is. Analyzing whether that's a 3.8/172 or a 3.85/173 should mean absolutely nothing to an applicant who theoretically does the best he can in the classroom and on the LSAT. IMO there are much more useful ways for an applicant to focuss his energy.

[dakure]

I don't understand all of the stat-mongering. In the end, you need to do your absolute best...whatever that is. Analyzing whether that's a 3.8/172 or a 3.85/173 should mean absolutely nothing to an applicant who theoretically does the best he can in the classroom and on the LSAT. IMO there are much more useful ways for an applicant to focuss his energy.

Cool.

[bjsesq]

I don't understand all of the stat-mongering. In the end, you need to do your absolute best...whatever that is. Analyzing whether that's a 3.8/172 or a 3.85/173 should mean absolutely nothing to an applicant who theoretically does the best he can in the classroom and on the LSAT. IMO there are much more useful ways for an applicant to focuss his energy.

WOW. How motivational.

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[soj]

I don't understand all of the stat-mongering. In the end, you need to do your absolute best...whatever that is. Analyzing whether that's a 3.8/172 or a 3.85/173 should mean absolutely nothing to an applicant who theoretically does the best he can in the classroom and on the LSAT. IMO there are much more useful ways for an applicant to focuss his energy.

It would mean a lot to an applicant who did his best and got a 3.83/172.

Bro.

[Tiago Splitter]

Prophetic:

Illinois: 168, 3.81

Holy shit!!!

+1. If Pless wasn't a reputable guy I would be tempted to guess Illinois had gone the Nova route.

[Aberzombie1892]

University of miami - 3.38/158

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[Yukos]

Illinois:

I see what you did there.

Also:

Prophetic:

Illinois: 168, 3.81

Holy shit!!!

+1. If Pless wasn't a reputable guy I would be tempted to guess Illinois had gone the Nova route.

Nicely done.

[chrisbru]

Did we all see this already?

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/09/11/ ... over-data/

[bjsesq]

Did we all see this already?

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/09/11/ ... over-data/

No, the discussion regarding Pless in the number of posts immediately before yours were in regards to an unrelated hunting accident.

[NYC Law]

Did we all see this already?

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/09/11/ ... over-data/

No, the discussion regarding Pless in the number of posts immediately before yours were in regards to an unrelated hunting accident.

I lol'd

[chrisbru]

Did we all see this already?

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/09/11/ ... over-data/

No, the discussion regarding Pless in the number of posts immediately before yours were in regards to an unrelated hunting accident.

Just posting it here for the people who hadn't seen the article, broseph.

[bjsesq]

Did we all see this already?

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/09/11/ ... over-data/

No, the discussion regarding Pless in the number of posts immediately before yours were in regards to an unrelated hunting accident.

Just posting it here for the people who hadn't seen the article, broseph.

I think it is safe to say it's been seen Broseidon, god of the Brocean.

[chrisbru]

I think it is safe to say it's been seen Broseidon, god of the Brocean.

Relevant only to bolded:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRKc-3nMI4U

[LaCumparsita]

Hahvahd is up:

GPA 75th / 25th percentiles: 3.97 / 3.79
LSAT 75th / 25th percentiles: 176 / 171

So I guess LSAT stayed the same, +.01 on GPA. Boo.

[freestallion]

Hahvahd is up:

GPA 75th / 25th percentiles: 3.97 / 3.79
LSAT 75th / 25th percentiles: 176 / 171

So I guess LSAT stayed the same, +.01 on GPA. Boo.

Where did you see this? Also, medians...?

[disco_stu]

WUSTL numbers are up. GPA 3.2/3.7/3.8, LSAT 162/168/169. Median GPA is the same, LSAT median and 75% iare both +1.

What does this mean for 168ers who are applying this fall - can we still count on the $60-75k scholarships they gave out to this group last fall, or should I start looking for another target school?

[minnbills]

WUSTL numbers are up. GPA 3.2/3.7/3.8, LSAT 162/168/169. Median GPA is the same, LSAT median and 75% iare both +1.

What does this mean for 168ers who are applying this fall - can we still count on the $60-75k scholarships they gave out to this group last fall, or should I start looking for another target school?

It probably means they took more reverse splitters than LSN would have you think. I don't see any reason why the 168 rule won't hold up.

[LaCumparsita]

http://www.law.harvard.edu/prospective/ ... ofile.html. I don't see the medians listed.

[KevinP]

Also, for WUSTL:
First-year enrollment fell from 276 to 245, which is slightly more than an 11% decrease. Also, another thing I thought was interesting: Minority enrollment fell from 104 to 66, which is slightly higher than 36% decrease. In relation to the overall drop, minorities now make up 27% of the entering class whereas for the entering class of 2010, they made up 38% of the entering class.

[Kabuo]

WUSTL numbers are up. GPA 3.2/3.7/3.8, LSAT 162/168/169. Median GPA is the same, LSAT median and 75% iare both +1.

What does this mean for 168ers who are applying this fall - can we still count on the $60-75k scholarships they gave out to this group last fall, or should I start looking for another target school?

Big lol @ the GPA 25th. That's down .1 right? My 3.2's contribution to the numbers.

[Real Madrid]

WUSTL numbers are up. GPA 3.2/3.7/3.8, LSAT 162/168/169. Median GPA is the same, LSAT median and 75% iare both +1.

What does this mean for 168ers who are applying this fall - can we still count on the $60-75k scholarships they gave out to this group last fall, or should I start looking for another target school?

Look at both of the 25th numbers. Unless my reasoning is way off, it looks to me like they've boosted their medians by taking lots of splitters. I mean, their 25th GPA is half of a point off of their median GPA. That's pretty huge for a top-25 school.

Bottom line: Yes, I think you stand a good shot again this cycle.

[HyeMart]

according to the school paper, GW's median LSAT is still 167

[minnbills]

WUSTL numbers are up. GPA 3.2/3.7/3.8, LSAT 162/168/169. Median GPA is the same, LSAT median and 75% iare both +1.

What does this mean for 168ers who are applying this fall - can we still count on the $60-75k scholarships they gave out to this group last fall, or should I start looking for another target school?

Look at both of the 25th numbers. Unless my reasoning is way off, it looks to me like they've boosted their medians by taking lots of splitters. I mean, their 25th GPA is half of a point off of their median GPA. That's pretty huge for a top-25 school.

Bottom line: Yes, I think you stand a good shot again this cycle.

I think the midwestern T25s are becoming more and more reliant on splitters to keep their medians competitive with schools on the coasts, MN is another example.