CLASS OF 2018 MEDIANS! (LSAT/GPA/Class Size) Forum

ms9 · Post by **ms9** » Thu Aug 20, 2015 4:02 pm

Fiddlesticks wrote:So far, it seems that theres going to be less students enrolled this year. Which is good for the overall legal industry.

Significantly less.

What I believe we are going to see, going forward, is stabilized gpa's and LSAT scores in the top 10, but decreased enrollment.

redfred22 · Post by **redfred22** » Thu Aug 20, 2015 4:59 pm

MikeSpivey wrote:
Fiddlesticks wrote:So far, it seems that theres going to be less students enrolled this year. Which is good for the overall legal industry.
Significantly less.

What I believe we are going to see, going forward, is stabilized gpa's and LSAT scores in the top 10, but decreased enrollment.

Would you expand a little more on this?

whitespider · Post by **whitespider** » Thu Aug 20, 2015 5:30 pm

University of Tennessee – Knoxville

158 (0)
3.64 (0)

116 Enrolled (+23)

http://law.utk.edu/2015/08/19/welcome-18/

FullRamboLSGrad · Post by **FullRamboLSGrad** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 12:19 am

Arizona State is claiming 225(+82) 1Ls while maintaining the same LSAT Scores and GPAs but I haven't seen it released yet.

That's quite a gain!

w7ldcard · Post by **w7ldcard** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 12:46 am

FullRamboLSGrad wrote:Arizona State is claiming 225(+82) 1Ls while maintaining the same LSAT Scores and GPAs but I haven't seen it released yet.

That's quite a gain!

I heard about the same number increase but also a bump up in LSAT number. Which made me disbelieve the information.

FullRamboLSGrad · Post by **FullRamboLSGrad** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 12:50 am

w7ldcard wrote:
FullRamboLSGrad wrote:Arizona State is claiming 225(+82) 1Ls while maintaining the same LSAT Scores and GPAs but I haven't seen it released yet.

That's quite a gain!
I heard about the same number increase but also a bump up in LSAT number. Which made me disbelieve the information.

Idk they have thrown an incredible amount of $$ at that school on the last 5 years plus the allure of the new bldg.

I'm curious to when it's published.

Mack.Hambleton · Post by **Mack.Hambleton** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 1:04 am

FullRamboLSGrad wrote:Arizona State is claiming 225(+82) 1Ls while maintaining the same LSAT Scores and GPAs but I haven't seen it released yet.

That's quite a gain!

I'm sure the state of Arizona needs an additional 80 lawyers

FullRamboLSGrad · Post by **FullRamboLSGrad** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 1:07 am

Mack.Hambleton wrote:
FullRamboLSGrad wrote:Arizona State is claiming 225(+82) 1Ls while maintaining the same LSAT Scores and GPAs but I haven't seen it released yet.

That's quite a gain!
I'm sure the state of Arizona needs an additional 80 lawyers

Less would be better but I'm certain AZ Summit will close by then.

We will see

Mack.Hambleton · Post by **Mack.Hambleton** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 1:15 am

Oh god I forgot they existed

pta · Post by **pta** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 9:12 am

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ms9 · Post by **ms9** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 9:56 am

Peta wrote:Will smaller class sizes lead to even higher tuition?

Likely no. Or, at least, not proportionally higher than it has increased. Schools are about as worried about all of the media focus on this as they are about USNWR rankings. I would also note that for years now there have been atmospheric pressures on USNWR to look at some sort of "value" metric as part of the rankings.

lawandorder2019 · Post by **lawandorder2019** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 10:44 am

William & Mary 25&75 are out

LSAT 75th/25th: 165/158
GPA 75th/25th: 3.85/3.42
Edit: also class size is down to 201

source: http://law.wm.edu/admissions/classprofile/index.php

lawandorder2019 · Post by **lawandorder2019** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 10:59 am

University of Richmond is up too.

medians:
3.52/160

their profile is not updated yet, but the class of 2018 speech is up which is where I got this info.
http://law.richmond.edu/admissions/PDF/ ... u-2018.pdf

Grounded132 · Post by **Grounded132** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 11:12 am

If anyone can think of any additional stats they want displayed on the sheet as an aggregate of the data let me know. (For ex. avg. class size)

LurkerShirker · Post by **LurkerShirker** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 11:15 am

I am not sure if those are Richmond' actual numbers. On its website from last year which is still up, it posted the misleading"admitted student" medians and then in smaller print on the same site posted lower "enrolled student" medians. Of course, no one cares or compares "admitted student" medians, because who cares who they admitted that decided to go somewhere else. So in the speech, I am not sure which they are referring to.

gamerish · Post by **gamerish** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 11:32 am

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FullRamboLSGrad · Post by **FullRamboLSGrad** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 12:37 pm

gamerish wrote:
MikeSpivey wrote:
Fiddlesticks wrote:So far, it seems that theres going to be less students enrolled this year. Which is good for the overall legal industry.
Significantly less.

What I believe we are going to see, going forward, is stabilized gpa's and LSAT scores in the top 10, but decreased enrollment.
So we've moved away from the earlier theories about class sizes increasing this coming and subsequent cycles? How do you think decreased enrollment will affect scholarship money?

It's simple if you're over median you are a commodity to the highest bidder. If you are under median you will be 'let in'

Get an LSAT near the 75th of your target and you will get a good scholarship (so they can bump their medians).

That said, it looks like Enrollment has stabilized for a lot of schools in T1 and the less scammy ones in T2.

I don't think the T3 and T4 will ever be the same and we can thank the scam blog and the transparency movements for that, why would you pay 42k/year for a 15% shot at a legal job? I'm glad the information is now readily available.

I see atleast one of the infilaw law$chool$ closing soon and then a few of the bottom feeders like Cooley or TJSL

ms9 · Post by **ms9** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 1:26 pm

gamerish wrote:
MikeSpivey wrote:
Fiddlesticks wrote:So far, it seems that theres going to be less students enrolled this year. Which is good for the overall legal industry.
Significantly less.

What I believe we are going to see, going forward, is stabilized gpa's and LSAT scores in the top 10, but decreased enrollment.
So we've moved away from the earlier theories about class sizes increasing this coming and subsequent cycles? How do you think decreased enrollment will affect scholarship money?

No no. This cycle that just concluded, schools at the top seemed to have been agreeable to shrinking their class sizes to not lose LSAT scores in a down LSAT cycle.

This upcoming cycle I suspect schools are really hoping, at least at this stage, to increase size due in part to the 10% increase in June first-time test takers (and in part due to need for tuition revenue, of course).

Huskies13! · Post by **Huskies13!** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 2:57 pm

DU is up:
https://www.law.du.edu/index.php/admiss ... statistics
252 (-6)
157 (+1)
3.43 (+.03)

sox49 · Post by **sox49** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 4:42 pm

Question regarding splitters. Sorry I know there has been some talk on this already.
if medians are stabilized at the top and class sizes will increase only if a sufficient amount of qualified applicants appear that allow schools to admit more while maintaining those numbers, then is it correct to assume last years cycle will be predictive for this years cycle for those at the margins of admission stats?
In other other words would your low gpa/ high lsat get about as much mileage this year as in 2014-2015?
It seems like last year was a bit on the rough side for split folks where as 2012-2013 was a goldmine with the massive drop in apps.

hairbear7 · Post by **hairbear7** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 4:47 pm

sox49 wrote: In other other words would your low gpa/ high lsat get about as much mileage this year as in 2014-2015?

Probably. I suspect there won't be a drastic difference

Tiago Splitter · Post by **Tiago Splitter** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 5:02 pm

hairbear7 wrote:
sox49 wrote: In other other words would your low gpa/ high lsat get about as much mileage this year as in 2014-2015?
Probably. I suspect there won't be a drastic difference

This. Year over year the changes are pretty minor and won't make a difference for most people. Some schools will occasionally make big changes (like cutting class size 20+% or deciding to stop caring about their LSAT medians) but for the most part the last few years' results tell you all you need to know.

Generally · Post by **Generally** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 5:25 pm

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chuckbass · Post by **chuckbass** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 5:30 pm

moar medians come on whitespider

Gray · Post by **Gray** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 5:43 pm