C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size Forum

[jingosaur]

I was just discussing this, but for the 2013-2014 cycle there will probably be between 50,000 and 58,000 applicants. Compare that to the 44,000 or so people who GRADUATE from law school each year and it looks like some schools will have to take anyone who applies. I'm assuming at this point that TTTT admissions only reject people when their applications are so incomplete that the school would risk losing accreditation if accepted (i.e. no LSAT score, no college, etc.).

[KevinP]

UC Davis: 162 (-1); 3.55 (-.05); 143 (-46)

Medians:
http://www.law.ucdavis.edu/news/news.aspx?id=4476

Class size:
http://www.law.ucdavis.edu/blogs/Deans/ ... -2013.html

[Monochromatic Oeuvre]

I was just discussing this, but for the 2013-2014 cycle there will probably be between 50,000 and 58,000 applicants. Compare that to the 44,000 or so people who GRADUATE from law school each year and it looks like some schools will have to take anyone who applies. I'm assuming at this point that TTTT admissions only reject people when their applications are so incomplete that the school would risk losing accreditation if accepted (i.e. no LSAT score, no college, etc.).

Well, certainly graduation numbers are going to decrease, and certainly no school is obligated to take anyone who applies. No school has an acceptance rate of 100%, though many TTTT acceptance rates are climbing and Cooley is at 80% or so.

Campos has a good post on the "open enrollment" nature of law school nowadays. The only real reason for a TTTT to reject someone is a) They create some kind of liability, probably due to a serious criminal record, or b) They are so bad at legal skills that it is virtually impossible that they will ever pass the bar (and you have to keep BPR above 80 percent within a two-year period to stay accredited). The ranking game has done a good job of making sure standards stay high in those schools with something to gain by it. But for those schools whose standards are so low that they have no hope of being ranked (and thus no incentive to reject anyone with awful numbers), it makes more sense to just let as many people in as possible.

[Finnpower]

I was just discussing this, but for the 2013-2014 cycle there will probably be between 50,000 and 58,000 applicants. Compare that to the 44,000 or so people who GRADUATE from law school each year and it looks like some schools will have to take anyone who applies. I'm assuming at this point that TTTT admissions only reject people when their applications are so incomplete that the school would risk losing accreditation if accepted (i.e. no LSAT score, no college, etc.).

If this cycle is like last year than the number of people who talk themselves into taking the October LSAT should be pretty predictive of how the cycle goes. Last year June had a drop of around 5% but October dropped 16%. This year, June dropped 4.9% so maybe we will be closer to that 50,000 number, which obviously will be a disaster for a lot of schools because they still have all that tuition from the huge classes before them.

[ManoftheHour]

UC Davis: 162 (-1); 3.55 (-.05); 143 (-46)

Medians:
http://www.law.ucdavis.edu/news/news.aspx?id=4476

Class size:
http://www.law.ucdavis.edu/blogs/Deans/ ... -2013.html

Holy crap. -43 AND a drop in both LSAT and GPA. I hope they throw a full ride at me after December this cycle.

[hephaestus]

UC Davis: 162 (-1); 3.55 (-.05); 143 (-46)

Medians:
http://www.law.ucdavis.edu/news/news.aspx?id=4476

Class size:
http://www.law.ucdavis.edu/blogs/Deans/ ... -2013.html

Holy crap. -43 AND a drop in both LSAT and GPA. I hope they throw a full ride at me after December this cycle.

Yeah their class size was just decimated.

[Yukos]

UC Davis: 162 (-1); 3.55 (-.05); 143 (-46)

Medians:
http://www.law.ucdavis.edu/news/news.aspx?id=4476

Class size:
http://www.law.ucdavis.edu/blogs/Deans/ ... -2013.html

Holy crap. -43 AND a drop in both LSAT and GPA. I hope they throw a full ride at me after December this cycle.

Yeah their class size was just decimated.

Triple decimated.

[indo]

UC Davis: 162 (-1); 3.55 (-.05); 143 (-46)

Medians:
http://www.law.ucdavis.edu/news/news.aspx?id=4476

Class size:
http://www.law.ucdavis.edu/blogs/Deans/ ... -2013.html

Holy crap. -43 AND a drop in both LSAT and GPA. I hope they throw a full ride at me after December this cycle.

Yeah their class size was just decimated.

Triple decimated.

+1 absolutely correct.

[UVAIce]

Thought you guys would be interested in this.

UVA Law Class of 2016

GPA: 3.53-3.87-3.94 LSAT: 164-169-170

[altoid99]

Thought you guys would be interested in this.

UVA Law Class of 2016

GPA: 3.53-3.87-3.94 LSAT: 164-169-170

Old, old, oooold news.

[Clearly]

Thought you guys would be interested in this.

UVA Law Class of 2016

GPA: 3.53-3.87-3.94 LSAT: 164-169-170

Good thing they dinged me

[altoid99]

Northeastern, Houston, and UC Davis are up.

[Dmini7]

I am sort of surprised northeastern was able to hold their stats while increasing their class size. I don't know enough about the east coast to say why i think this was, but I would have assumed they would be out competed by alot of schools like BU/BC(although their applicant pool probably doesn't overlap) I guess their numbers for students wanting Boston were lower than the higher schools would accept so they would be able to hold their score in their niche field.

86) Northeastern: 161 (0); 3.53 (+.01); 187 (+19)

[04102014]

I am sort of surprised northeastern was able to hold their stats while increasing their class size. I don't know enough about the east coast to say why i think this was, but I would have assumed they would be out competed by alot of schools like BU/BC(although their applicant pool probably doesn't overlap) I guess their numbers for students wanting Boston were lower than the higher schools would accept so they would be able to hold their score in their niche field.

86) Northeastern: 161 (0); 3.53 (+.01); 187 (+19)

Northeastern has traditionally been very stingy, but this past cycle they threw around mad dollars.

[radar714]

at USC orientation they told us C/O 2016 has 3.70/166 medians, no 25ths/75ths tho

edit: also class size of 176

[Huskies13!]

Colorado is up 20% in enrolls--to 184! Not sure about medians.

http://www.colorado.edu/law/2013/08/29/ ... class-2016

[Dmini7]

at USC orientation they told us C/O 2016 has 3.70/166 medians, no 25ths/75ths tho

edit: also class size of 176

The way USC was throwing around money I am surprised they weren't able to hold their median with a drop in class size.

[snagglepuss]

Colorado is up 20% in enrolls--to 184! Not sure about medians.

http://www.colorado.edu/law/2013/08/29/ ... class-2016

I've got a hunch that Colorado and Washington will see new highs in enrollment numbers and the rankings this year.

[wwwcol]

Is hs class size 562 or 572?

[Huskies13!]

Miami Medians (no class size)
157 (same)
3.38 (+.03)
http://www.law.miami.edu/prospective-st ... ctions.php

[crestor]

Miami Medians (no class size)
157 (same)
3.38 (+.03)
http://www.law.miami.edu/prospective-st ... ctions.php

Wow

[FKASunny]

Miami Medians (no class size)
157 (same)
3.38 (+.03)
http://www.law.miami.edu/prospective-st ... ctions.php

Wow

Their class size is obscenely huge. Even if it dropped by 20% to keep their medians, they'd still be sending out about 250 more grads into South Florida than the market can bear.

[Huskies13!]

Gtown is:
168 (-1!)
3.75 (+.02)
http://www.georgetown.edu/president/mes ... -2013.html

[crestor]

Miami Medians (no class size)
157 (same)
3.38 (+.03)
http://www.law.miami.edu/prospective-st ... ctions.php

Wow

Their class size is obscenely huge. Even if it dropped by 20% to keep their medians, they'd still be sending out about 250 more grads into South Florida than the market can bear.

What befuddles me about UM having the largest class size out of UF FSU AND UM is that if you are instate, UF and FSU are significantly cheaper both in terms of tuition and cost of living, much higher ranked, have better employment outcomes, and have smaller classes which means less competition among peers once in the legal market. The median lsat is 160 for uf this year. FSU was 160 last year and it very likely went down.. 162-164 is very likely their 75. Hit that and you are in at both unless you royally screwed around in undergrad (2.____ gpa.) You have to love the arrogance of our millennial generation thinking they will all be top 5 in their class at UM and hit big law miami.

[itachiuchiha]

Miami Medians (no class size)
157 (same)
3.38 (+.03)
http://www.law.miami.edu/prospective-st ... ctions.php

Wow

Their class size is obscenely huge. Even if it dropped by 20% to keep their medians, they'd still be sending out about 250 more grads into South Florida than the market can bear.

that added to NSU and FIU even puts more of a burden on the market