C/O 2017 Median LSAT/GPA/Class Size Forum

[rebexness]

How many applicants did WUSTL get??

We know nothing.

scottidsntknow anything.

[03152016]

Richmond is up:
http://law.richmond.edu/admissions/profile.html

I was very confused looking at Richmond's numbers. On the left they have medians of 161 and 3.54 - but I think that is applicants who received offers of admission but did not necessarily enroll (they say all 50 states here). On the right they have the enrolled class, which is 160 and 3.50 and a class size of 132. The ABA should prohibit that sort of misleading figures on the website.

whoa, this is actually crazy deceptive
do other schools do this?

[Colonel_funkadunk]

BTW I updated the spreadsheet with what I THINK is everything in here.

Your work is appreciated

[jk148706]

West Virginia posted: http://law.wvu.edu/about/class-profile

LSAT 25/50/75:

25th: 152 (+1)

median: 154 (+1)

75th: 156 (-1)



Enrolled 107 (- 12 students)

Edit: Changed numbers to reflect c/o 2016 data at same link

ETA: Class of 2016 data for WVU is in link. The numbers WVU reports at the above link are much different than what's in the spreadsheet from last year.

[jk148706]

Richmond is up:
http://law.richmond.edu/admissions/profile.html

I was very confused looking at Richmond's numbers. On the left they have medians of 161 and 3.54 - but I think that is applicants who received offers of admission but did not necessarily enroll (they say all 50 states here). On the right they have the enrolled class, which is 160 and 3.50 and a class size of 132. The ABA should prohibit that sort of misleading figures on the website.

whoa, this is actually crazy deceptive
do other schools do this?

holy

that's nuts they do that

[Colonel_funkadunk]

Okay can I just say I'm just waiting for the rest of t14. I like any update but shiitttt cmonnnnnn top schools

[whitespider]

Richmond is up:
http://law.richmond.edu/admissions/profile.html

I was very confused looking at Richmond's numbers. On the left they have medians of 161 and 3.54 - but I think that is applicants who received offers of admission but did not necessarily enroll (they say all 50 states here). On the right they have the enrolled class, which is 160 and 3.50 and a class size of 132. The ABA should prohibit that sort of misleading figures on the website.

It's seriously sketchy. That's for sure.

I guess that's one way to cover up a big LSAT drop.

[03152016]

passing this info onto the lst people
this is a sneaky tactic to increase their stature
what's next -- look at the employment outcomes of the people we admitted to our law school!

it'd be one thing if they just wanted to show prospective students what numbers you need to get in
but they have both sets of numbers on the same page
so when you google "richmond law class profile", that's the page you get
with the "admitted students profile" in your face
and the actual legitimate profile practically hidden

[Colonel_funkadunk]

what's next -- look at the employment outcomes of the people we admitted to our law school!

Oh would that not be a legit?

[whitespider]

I'm on my iPhone and on their mobile page, the "Admitted Student" info pops up right on top. You have to dig down quite a bit to find the real numbers.

[03152016]

you really cannot trust these fucking deans with anything
maybe that's why they became admissions deans of law schools
if there's a way to deceive and manipulate students without running afoul of the aba, by god they'll find it

[Shortterm12]

Interesting, I know a lot of schools do this (admitted + matriculating stats) for undergraduates

[Moneytrees]

Okay can I just say I'm just waiting for the rest of t14. I like any update but shiitttt cmonnnnnn top schools

Maybe this is good news. If our theory is correct, schools that saw a dip in medians will be the last to report their data. I definitely remember that being the case for Penn last year, Spivey.

[nothingtosee]

you really cannot trust these fucking deans with anything
maybe that's why they became admissions deans of law schools
if there's a way to deceive and manipulate students without running afoul of the aba, by god they'll find it

Is there a reason you don't type using conventional English...conventions? It makes it more difficult for (most) everyone else to read

[03152016]

you really cannot trust these fucking deans with anything
maybe that's why they became admissions deans of law schools
if there's a way to deceive and manipulate students without running afoul of the aba, by god they'll find it

Is there a reason you don't type using conventional English...conventions? It makes it more difficult for (most) everyone else to read

so difficult dude

[Colonel_funkadunk]

Okay can I just say I'm just waiting for the rest of t14. I like any update but shiitttt cmonnnnnn top schools

Maybe this is good news. If our theory is correct, schools that saw a dip in medians will be the last to report their data. I definitely remember that being the case for Penn last year, Spivey.

This is A good point , yet the anticipation is killin me

[Adrian Monk]

info on arizona schools?

[Colonel_funkadunk]

you really cannot trust these fucking deans with anything
maybe that's why they became admissions deans of law schools
if there's a way to deceive and manipulate students without running afoul of the aba, by god they'll find it

Is there a reason you don't type using conventional English...conventions? It makes it more difficult for (most) everyone else to read

Just lol @ thinking the way brut types is an issue

[rebexness]

info on arizona schools?

Have they had ASWs yet? I feel like they have always been pretty generous, so that may help their medians stay up.

[Adrian Monk]

info on arizona schools?

Have they had ASWs yet? I feel like they have always been pretty generous, so that may help their medians stay up.

no idea, i am am applying next cycle, and will be applying to both schools, thats why i am really interested.

[BillPackets]

you really cannot trust these fucking deans with anything
maybe that's why they became admissions deans of law schools
if there's a way to deceive and manipulate students without running afoul of the aba, by god they'll find it

Is there a reason you don't type using conventional English...conventions? It makes it more difficult for (most) everyone else to read

I was very confused by the ellipsis and that weird yellow thing. Very hard to understand. Very hard.

[Vursz]

YLS class size: 200
Applications: 2893

[SPerez]

That said, the one caveat is the ABA reporting date in October. Some (perhaps wise) admissions deans might not want to report anything until then because if the numbers change they will get accused of cooking the books when it just means a few people dropped out.

Being "perhaps wise" myself, this has been my hesitance to release our numbers. But being "perhaps wise" also means perhaps being not-wise so I've decided to go ahead and do it. I don't really want to hold them back until October and will have the preliminary stats at my table while I'm out recruiting before then so I figured what the heck. (Not to mention we're a public school, which I feel calls for a higher level of transparency.)

We are actually VERY close to holding our median LSAT so if you see a different median after the ABA date, it will be because enough people withdrew to cause the change. Like Spivey mentioned, all law schools have students withdraw over the course of the first semester so our total class size will almost definitely be down at least one or two. Total applications will also probably drop a bit after we go through our database and clean things up (e.g. see if there are any that don't meet the ABA definition of an applicant).

http://www.law.ttu.edu/prospective/admissions/faq/

Class Size (as of 1st day of classes): 228 (+14)
LSAT: 151/154/157 (-1 for each)
UGPA: 3.17/3.45/3.64 (median -.01)

48% Female (+5%)
28% Minority (unchanged)

Regarding class size, I'll just mention that the fact that a school enrolled a larger class does not mean they were trying to enroll a larger class. This stuff isn't an exact science (and some are better at it than others) so a +/- of 5% from a school's goal wouldn't be crazy, I don't think, especially in times like these where schools are trying all sorts of new strategies to enroll their class. This makes predicting the future based on the past more difficult.

In my case, our yield on offers was a few percentage points higher which appears to have been just enough to account for most of the increased amount.

Dean Perez
Texas Tech Law

[Huskies13!]

Hawaii is up:
https://www.law.hawaii.edu/fall-2014-en ... d-students

[03152016]

dean, does it concern you that a full quarter of your class scored a 151 or below on the lsat?
isn't the real reason for admitting these students the financial incentive to fill seats, and not a genuine belief that these students will see a positive return on their law school investment?
when you look at the 17% of 2012 bar takers from ttu who failed to pass (i'm sure you've seen prof campos' article in the atlantic discussing lsat scores correlating with bar bass rates) do you regret admitting them?