A Message to Incoming T-14 Students Forum

[BigZuck]

[quote="Ron Howard"]Why would your cross out "Good Luck!" of all things?

[/quote]
This post was woefully underappreciated.

[chuckbass]

ron howard is at least slightly better than biglawassociate fwiw

[Ron Howard]

pessimistic

or realistic?

Being pessimistic (to an extent) can be good thing. Students should be aware of the reality of their situation, of the potential risks and rewards. But what we don't want is crippling fear. I know of a few readers who have been almost paralyzed by it after reading TLS. Thus posters on this website don't necessary need to change their advice, but many do need to change the way in which they give it.

[spleenworship]

ron howard is at least slightly much better than biglawassociate fwiw

FTFY

ETA: though that could just be the novelty.

[Ron Howard]

ron howard is at least slightly much better than biglawassociate fwiw

FTFY

ETA: though that could just be the novelty.

biglawassociate is a crazed maniac who talks about little more than his rich wife. Of course I'm better.

[chuckbass]

ron howard is at least slightly much better than biglawassociate fwiw

FTFY

ETA: though that could just be the novelty.

biglawassociate is a crazed maniac who talks about little more than his rich wife. Of course I'm better.

You're not better unless you have $20mm IN THE BANK.

[Ron Howard]

ron howard is at least slightly much better than biglawassociate fwiw

FTFY

ETA: though that could just be the novelty.

biglawassociate is a crazed maniac who talks about little more than his rich wife. Of course I'm better.

You're not better unless you have $20mm IN THE BANK.

For all we know biglawassociate lives in his mom's basement, and the only rich wife he has is in Sims.

[BigZuck]

Eh...Ok I'm dropping that A- down to a B

Your flame is falling off the rails, get it back on track.

[Ron Howard]

Eh...Ok I'm dropping that A- down to a B

Your flame is falling off the rails, get it back on track.

I have read the work of a lot of the major posters on this site -- jbagelyboy, Mack.Hambleton, brut, Tiago Splitter, A. Nony Mouse, JohanDeMann, chuckbass, Dexert Fox, and (the great) rupupkin -- but I have never really been able to understand you.

[chuckbass]

Eh...Ok I'm dropping that A- down to a B

Your flame is falling off the rails, get it back on track.

I have read the work of a lot of the major posters on this site -- jbagelyboy, Mack.Hambleton, brut, Tiago Splitter, A. Nony Mouse, JohanDeMann, chuckbass, Dexert Fox, and (the great) rupupkin -- but I have never really been able to understand you.

Zuck probably contributes more than the rest of us combined fwiw.

[BigZuck]

Eh...Ok I'm dropping that A- down to a B

Your flame is falling off the rails, get it back on track.

I have read the work of a lot of the major posters on this site -- jbagelyboy, Mack.Hambleton, brut, Tiago Splitter, A. Nony Mouse, JohanDeMann, chuckbass, Dexert Fox, and (the great) rupupkin -- but I have never really been able to understand you.

The only truly major poster on that list is the great Dexert Fox. The jbagelyboys and the rupumpkins of the world are small potatoes.

I also don't see how you could be opposed to DF's work in the on topics. He's easily one of the GOATs and done a ton of good for the community.

[Ron Howard]

Eh...Ok I'm dropping that A- down to a B

Your flame is falling off the rails, get it back on track.

I have read the work of a lot of the major posters on this site -- jbagelyboy, Mack.Hambleton, brut, Tiago Splitter, A. Nony Mouse, JohanDeMann, chuckbass, Dexert Fox, and (the great) rupupkin -- but I have never really been able to understand you.

The only truly major poster on that list is the great Dexert Fox. The jbagelyboys and the rupumpkins of the world are small potatoes.

I also don't see how you could be opposed to DF's work in the on topics. He's easily one of the GOATs and done a ton of good for the community.

1. I never made any claim against Desert Fox. He is a venerable poster of this site, and I simply listed him as an example of a poster who I was familiar with. I am not sure why you are trying to insinuate that I am opposed to him. I will say this though: the system is broken. The fear mongering, the bullshit, needs to end. It is okay -- good even -- to warn the community of dangers and to advise them to act conservatively. But it is bad, if not outright damaging, to use fear as a weapon to that end. Reason should prevail.

2.In reference to a previous post of yours: I think that it is important to offer positive encouragement to 0Ls, not just a pessimistic outlook. The individuals to whom I was speaking in my original post are not yet 1Ls but they are, for better or for worse, attending what our society would refer to as an "elite law school" in the coming month. Many, if not most, are very nervous right now and have worked very hard to get where they are. Some have overcome great obstacles. They should NOT be told that it is of little value. It is a significant accomplishment, and I believe there is room on this site to congratulate them for that.

[chuckbass]

Zucky is just butthurt don't worry









100% kidding zuck

[Good Guy Gaud]

[Mack.Hambleton]

There's "class of" threads for congratulatory stuff

[A. Nony Mouse]

pessimistic

or realistic?

Being pessimistic (to an extent) can be good thing. Students should be aware of the reality of their situation, of the potential risks and rewards. But what we don't want is crippling fear. I know of a few readers who have been almost paralyzed by it after reading TLS. Thus posters on this website don't necessary need to change their advice, but many do need to change the way in which they give it.

Almost paralyzed in what way? One of the goals of many people here in many situations is to dissuade people from going to law school, so that might be considered a success.

Can you give an example of fear-mongering?

Why do you think these accomplished 0Ls need their hands being held? There's tons of information on this site about how to succeed.

No one says that getting into these schools isn't an accomplishment or is of little value. But just because someone worked hard and overcame significant obstacles to get into a school doesn't automatically make going to that school a good financial investment. Those are two separate things.

[Johann]

I know it is a little early, but I want to take this time to congradulate all of our 0L posters and readers who are attending a T-14 this year. You've made it! While you don't yet have a job or even any grades, this still marks a significant achievement.

At times TLS has a way of demeaning this accomplishment. Posters who have been accepted to some of these schools are often told to retake the LSAT and reapply for more scholarship money and acceptances. Others are told that they should not attend altogether. In many cases these are the right calls. But let that not demean you. No matter what T-14 you are attending, no mater your scholarship, you should be proud of your accomplishment.

Good Luck!

id just like to congratulate all the non t 14s who will get a free educations subsidized by this fucking douche.

[Johann]

Eh...Ok I'm dropping that A- down to a B

Your flame is falling off the rails, get it back on track.

I have read the work of a lot of the major posters on this site -- jbagelyboy, Mack.Hambleton, brut, Tiago Splitter, A. Nony Mouse, JohanDeMann, chuckbass, Dexert Fox, and (the great) rupupkin -- but I have never really been able to understand you.

The only truly major poster on that list is the great Dexert Fox. The jbagelyboys and the rupumpkins of the world are small potatoes.

I also don't see how you could be opposed to DF's work in the on topics. He's easily one of the GOATs and done a ton of good for the community.

i probably understand the market better than any of these fucks. the perks of attending a t6 and TTT

[chuckbass]

Eh...Ok I'm dropping that A- down to a B

Your flame is falling off the rails, get it back on track.

I have read the work of a lot of the major posters on this site -- jbagelyboy, Mack.Hambleton, brut, Tiago Splitter, A. Nony Mouse, JohanDeMann, chuckbass, Dexert Fox, and (the great) rupupkin -- but I have never really been able to understand you.

The only truly major poster on that list is the great Dexert Fox. The jbagelyboys and the rupumpkins of the world are small potatoes.

I also don't see how you could be opposed to DF's work in the on topics. He's easily one of the GOATs and done a ton of good for the community.

i probably understand the market better than any of these fucks. the perks of attending a t6 and TTT

Granted it was kind of a random list.

[Mack.Hambleton]

How does someone understand brut but not big z

[Ron Howard]

pessimistic

or realistic?

Being pessimistic (to an extent) can be good thing. Students should be aware of the reality of their situation, of the potential risks and rewards. But what we don't want is crippling fear. I know of a few readers who have been almost paralyzed by it after reading TLS. Thus posters on this website don't necessary need to change their advice, but many do need to change the way in which they give it.

Almost paralyzed in what way? One of the goals of many people here in many situations is to dissuade people from going to law school, so that might be considered a success.

Can you give an example of fear-mongering?

Why do you think these accomplished 0Ls need their hands being held? There's tons of information on this site about how to succeed.

No one says that getting into these schools isn't an accomplishment or is of little value. But just because someone worked hard and overcame significant obstacles to get into a school doesn't automatically make going to that school a good financial investment. Those are two separate things.

(1) Paralyzed, at least in one case, as in they were depressed during almost all of their 0L summer and almost withdrew from a T14 law school even though (i) they were sure they wanted to be a lawyer and (ii) they were going to graduate with basically no debt due to scholarship money. (2) I cannot, at the moment, provide you with an exact example of this. But I am sure several fine examples will pop up as the application season starts going. You better believe I will be on the hunt. (3) I don't think most of these students need their hands held, but some students do need a pat on the back. In particular, many students who are coming from non-prestigious undergraduate institutions and/or lower income households may feel especially anxious about staring at an elite law school. Some will even be leaving their hometowns for the first time. If my post can remind even just one of such individuals how far they have come, I think that is a significant contribution to this community. (4) I never said going to law school is automatically a good financial investment. In fact, I said in the very post you quoted that "Students should be aware of the reality of their situation, of the potential risks and rewards." I just think the way some posters go about spreading the awareness is wrong, and often over the top.

[BNA]

I swear the purpose of tls is to consciously or unconsciously thin the herd. You guys and gals should recognize the potential of a community like this. Tls should/could actualize reform, not just bitch about aba regs or deject driven, (mostly) capable people from behind your computer monitor.

I've learned a great amount from tls, and appreciate every bit of it, but I'm on board with the direction op is headed. I'm greatful to pick out bits of very intelligent and relevant information, but there is SO much more that can be accomplished here. "Retake or don't go" is fucking lazy.

[Ron Howard]

I know it is a little early, but I want to take this time to congradulate all of our 0L posters and readers who are attending a T-14 this year. You've made it! While you don't yet have a job or even any grades, this still marks a significant achievement.

At times TLS has a way of demeaning this accomplishment. Posters who have been accepted to some of these schools are often told to retake the LSAT and reapply for more scholarship money and acceptances. Others are told that they should not attend altogether. In many cases these are the right calls. But let that not demean you. No matter what T-14 you are attending, no mater your scholarship, you should be proud of your accomplishment.

Good Luck!

id just like to congratulate all the non t 14s who will get a free educations subsidized by this fucking douche.

Your comments in this thread are truly inappropriate, and I am not entirely ensure why my post brought about such anger in you. I meant only to offer encouragement -- a pat on the back –– to some students who may benefit from it. Please see point (3) in my most recent reply to A. Nony Mouse for a more detailed explanation of why some encouragement may be appropriate.

[ManoftheHour]

While your heart is in the right place, it don't mean a thing until you get a job. This is like congratulating Kobe for making the playoffs.

[dontrogerthat]

I legitimately can't tell if some of the commenters on this post are serious or if they're joking and if they're just joking doesn't it get old being negative so much? For example, 80% of the time I see the Zuck posters comments on this site they are unnecessarily rude/unproductive with a slight mask of him trying to make it seem less serious through pretending like he is trolling. I don't understand what's so bad about OP congratulating people about getting into a decent law school on a law school forum... Yeah maybe if there were 10 posts on here like this it'd be annoying but there is never anything like this posted on here frequently that's just generally positive.