Why do people love to hate GULC? Forum

[Mal Reynolds]

7 screeners is hilariously low.

[nicholasavallone]

Full disclosure, I'm just starting out at GULC, but the 7 screener number is nonsense. Check out the 2014 EIW thread, most people got 18, which is the max unless you pick some callbacks up from mass mailing.

[Mal Reynolds]

Even 18 is pretty low for a school like Gulc.

[BigZuck]

Even 18 is pretty low for a school like Gulc.

Yeah, I thought capping it at 25 kind of wasn't cool (not that it would have mattered for me) but 18 is just too low. I guess they're "looking out for everybody" and it's a function of a huge class size. Hopefully CSO spends a lot of time with each individual participating in OCI to help them strategize/formulate the best possible bidlist for them (lulz)

[20141023]

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[Mal Reynolds]

Jesus 11 screeners? At GULC? Just LOL

I mean if you're at median you are fucked with 11 screeners. You better be the most impressive person ever.

[Mal Reynolds]

Full disclosure, I'm just starting out at GULC, but the 7 screener number is nonsense. Check out the 2014 EIW thread, most people got 18, which is the max unless you pick some callbacks up from mass mailing.

You are throwing money away by not retaking your 167. I can't believe so many people fall prey to GULC.

[20141023]

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[03152016]

% ft/lt/jd - %school funded - %underemployment + %njl250 + %a3

y 78.8-7.4-8.4+38.83+35 136.83
s 87.6-2.6-3.6+47.09+29.4 157.89
h 86.9-3.8-5+53.55+17 148.65
chi 92.1-7.4-2.8+53.02+10.2 145.12
col 95-6.6-1.6+65.45+4.8 157.05
n 93.7-7.8-3+54.93+8.8 146.63
p 90.7-5-3.1+52.51+9.3 144.41
v 95.6-16.2-2.5+44.23+12.9 134.03
b 86.7-9.6-7.6+44.85+8 122.35
d 85.9-4.6-11.6+48.55+8.7 126.95
m 82-3.5-13.5+41.25+7.8 114.05
n 79.2-4.2-8.8+51.05+7.7 124.95
c 88.6-8.3-7.8+45.08+10.9 128.48
g 83.7-12.9-7.4+34.3+5.1 102.8

obv this is a super imperfect way of measuring schools
no one thinks ccn beats yale, or penn = harvard, etc
but my point is there is a clear outlier

[03152016]

now see what happens when i subtract out shitlaw (2-25 attorneys)

% ft/lt/jd - %school funded - %underemployment + %njl250 + %a3 - shitlaw

y 78.8-7.4-8.4+38.83+35-1 = 135.83
s 87.6-2.6-3.6+47.09+29.4-0 = 157.89
h 86.9-3.8-5+53.55+17-0.9 = 147.75
chi 92.1-7.4-2.8+53.02+10.2-2.3 = 142.82
col 95-6.6-1.6+65.45+4.8-1.1 = 155.95
n 93.7-7.8-3+54.93+8.8-3 = 143.63
p 90.7-5-3.1+52.51+9.3-1.9 = 142.51
v 95.6-16.2-2.5+44.23+12.9-2.2 = 131.83
b 86.7-9.6-7.6+44.85+8-5 = 117.35
d 85.9-4.6-11.6+48.55+8.7-5 = 121.95
m 82-3.5-13.5+41.25+7.8-4.3 = 109.75
n 79.2-4.2-8.8+51.05+7.7-1.1 = 123.85
c 88.6-8.3-7.8+45.08+10.9-2.6 = 125.88
g 83.7-12.9-7.4+34.3+5.1-6.2 = 96.6

[banjo]

Although 18 appears to be the max, looking at the actual numbers here, there were plenty of people who had only 11 screeners (and a few with single-digit numbers).

Wow, this is a huge problem for GULC. It's possible to get over 40 screeners at CLS with add/drop period (and at least a few apparently did).

[20141023]

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[nealric]

As a 2010 GULC alum, it's kind of funny going back and reading this stuff. From experience, I do think there is quite a bit of PI/Government self-selection over and above most T14 schools, but that's tough to quantify. DC also has more small non-shitlaw firms (i.e. legit boutiques) than most locales.

I had ~25 screeners (bid mostly secondary markets, small amount of NYC/DC), did NYC biglaw, went in house after a few years. Class of 2011 had an unusually low number of screeners due to post-recession lawpocalypse, but things should be closer to my year by now. The place worked out great for me. But I wouldn't tell someone to pick it over CCN or anything crazy like that.

[Single-Malt-Liquor]

Dont forget about those ridiculously large transfer classes.

[Mal Reynolds]

As a 2010 GULC alum, it's kind of funny going back and reading this stuff. From experience, I do think there is quite a bit of PI/Government self-selection over and above most T14 schools, but that's tough to quantify. DC also has more small non-shitlaw firms (i.e. legit boutiques) than most locales.

I had ~25 screeners (bid mostly secondary markets, small amount of NYC/DC), did NYC biglaw, went in house after a few years. Class of 2011 had an unusually low number of screeners due to post-recession lawpocalypse, but things should be closer to my year by now. The place worked out great for me. But I wouldn't tell someone to pick it over CCN or anything crazy like that.

Thanks for the anecdote! It will all be fine at gulc.

[chuckbass]

GULC is also kind of ugly and in a sketchy part of town

Probably the main reason for the hate

[nealric]

Thanks for the anecdote! It will all be fine at gulc.

Good 'ol TLS snark

GULC is also kind of ugly and in a sketchy part of town

Probably the main reason for the hate

If you think GULC is in a sketchy part of DC, you've never even been near the sketchy parts for DC. I actually strongly preferred it being where it is as opposed to Georgetown proper. Rent was much cheaper and chinatown had good cheap eats. Close to Union Station meant great transportation options.

[TooManyLoans]

Thanks for the anecdote! It will all be fine at gulc.

Good 'ol TLS snark

GULC is also kind of ugly and in a sketchy part of town

Probably the main reason for the hate

If you think GULC is in a sketchy part of DC, you've never even been near the sketchy parts for DC. I actually strongly preferred it being where it is as opposed to Georgetown proper. Rent was much cheaper and chinatown had good cheap eats. Close to Union Station meant great transportation options.

Just because there are sketchier parts of DC doesn't make it a great spot. It is sketchy by the law center and that's not Chinatown. The walk at night to either union station or past that cesspool shelter to judiciary square metro is shady.

Also rent in the nice buildings on mass is expensive for the "neighborhood" its in.

[nealric]

Just because there are sketchier parts of DC doesn't make it a great spot. It is sketchy by the law center and that's not Chinatown. The walk at night to either union station or past that cesspool shelter to judiciary square metro is shady.

Also rent in the nice buildings on mass is expensive for the "neighborhood" its in.

Never had trouble walking at night to either Judiciary Square or Union Station in 3 years. The campus is not "in" Chinatown, but it's a 5 min walk to the Chinatown strip. Yeah, walking by the homeless shelter south of campus meant getting panhandled. So don't walk past the homeless shelter- it's not hard to avoid if you find it bothersome.

The "nice" buildings on Mass are indeed wayyyy over priced. East of Union Station is a much better option.

[chuckbass]

Thanks for the anecdote! It will all be fine at gulc.

Good 'ol TLS snark

GULC is also kind of ugly and in a sketchy part of town

Probably the main reason for the hate

If you think GULC is in a sketchy part of DC, you've never even been near the sketchy parts for DC. I actually strongly preferred it being where it is as opposed to Georgetown proper. Rent was much cheaper and chinatown had good cheap eats. Close to Union Station meant great transportation options.

Just because there are sketchier parts of DC doesn't make it a great spot. It is sketchy by the law center and that's not Chinatown. The walk at night to either union station or past that cesspool shelter to judiciary square metro is shady.

Also rent in the nice buildings on mass is expensive for the "neighborhood" its in.

I don't spend time in much of the sketchier parts of DC because there's little reason to leave NW besides Nats games. I'm from DC, and there's no way you can argue that GULC is in a desireable part of the city. Georgetown proper is expensive and there is a reason it's expensive.

[nealric]

Thanks for the anecdote! It will all be fine at gulc.

Good 'ol TLS snark

GULC is also kind of ugly and in a sketchy part of town

Probably the main reason for the hate

If you think GULC is in a sketchy part of DC, you've never even been near the sketchy parts for DC. I actually strongly preferred it being where it is as opposed to Georgetown proper. Rent was much cheaper and chinatown had good cheap eats. Close to Union Station meant great transportation options.

Just because there are sketchier parts of DC doesn't make it a great spot. It is sketchy by the law center and that's not Chinatown. The walk at night to either union station or past that cesspool shelter to judiciary square metro is shady.

Also rent in the nice buildings on mass is expensive for the "neighborhood" its in.

I don't spend time in much of the sketchier parts of DC because there's little reason to leave NW besides Nats games. I'm from DC, and there's no way you can argue that GULC is in a desireable part of the city. Georgetown proper is expensive and there is a reason it's expensive.

It's your loss. I never much cared for most of NW, but that's just me. In any event, I don't think location is what is hurting the school. I had no sense of Georgetown's location when I applied, and most visitors don't know Adams Morgan from Anacostia. The politicos probably get off on the school being walking distance to the hill and the Supreme Court. And it's not like Columbia and Chicago aren't close to bad neighborhoods.

It occurred to me that the real reason people like to hate on GULC is it's location in the hierarchy. It's the worst of the best. Everyone at the rest of the T14 likes to look down on the school in order to feel superior (especially because laypeople often think Georgetown is better than it is), and everyone outside of the T14 resents the rigidity of the "T14" and the fact that their school isn't in it (especially at the schools just outside). As for deciding where to go, I'm all for going in with clear eyes and objective data. You certainly won't hear me advising someone who is biglaw or bust to attend GULC at sticker.

[20141023]

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[Mal Reynolds]

There really is no reason to attend GULC given it's relative shittiness compared to it's peers.

[nealric]

It's your loss. I never much cared for most of NW, but that's just me. In any event, I don't think location is what is hurting the school. I had no sense of Georgetown's location when I applied, and most visitors don't know Adams Morgan from Anacostia. The politicos probably get off on the school being walking distance to the hill and the Supreme Court. And it's not like Columbia and Chicago aren't close to bad neighborhoods.

It occurred to me that the real reason people like to hate on GULC is it's location in the hierarchy. It's the worst of the best. Everyone at the rest of the T14 likes to look down on the school in order to feel superior (especially because laypeople often think Georgetown is better than it is), and everyone outside of the T14 resents the rigidity of the "T14" and the fact that their school isn't in it (especially at the schools just outside). As for deciding where to go, I'm all for going in with clear eyes and objective data. You certainly won't hear me advising someone who is biglaw or bust to attend GULC at sticker.

lol I don't think that's it at all. We shit-talk GULC because they have a huge-ass class size, poor employment stats, and are extremely stingy with scholarships. Also, if you have the numbers to get into the full-time program at GULC, you will likely have better options with more money within the T14, so it is an option that rarely makes sense.

That's the justification, but I'm playing amateur psychoanalyst here

The individual elements you state apply to a lot of schools. Every school ranked below 20 has poor employment stats. Harvard and Columbia have large class sizes and are stingy with scholarships. Nobody wastes as much breath to bash WUSTL/GW/USC, which have similar cost structures for many applicants, large class sizes, and relatively poor employment outcomes. I agree that full-time GULC is rarely a good option compared to another T14 with similar costs. I'm just trying to address the vitriol directed against GULC in particular.

[ymmv]

It's your loss. I never much cared for most of NW, but that's just me. In any event, I don't think location is what is hurting the school. I had no sense of Georgetown's location when I applied, and most visitors don't know Adams Morgan from Anacostia. The politicos probably get off on the school being walking distance to the hill and the Supreme Court. And it's not like Columbia and Chicago aren't close to bad neighborhoods.

It occurred to me that the real reason people like to hate on GULC is it's location in the hierarchy. It's the worst of the best. Everyone at the rest of the T14 likes to look down on the school in order to feel superior (especially because laypeople often think Georgetown is better than it is), and everyone outside of the T14 resents the rigidity of the "T14" and the fact that their school isn't in it (especially at the schools just outside). As for deciding where to go, I'm all for going in with clear eyes and objective data. You certainly won't hear me advising someone who is biglaw or bust to attend GULC at sticker.

lol I don't think that's it at all. We shit-talk GULC because they have a huge-ass class size, poor employment stats, and are extremely stingy with scholarships. Also, if you have the numbers to get into the full-time program at GULC, you will likely have better options with more money within the T14, so it is an option that rarely makes sense.

That's the justification, but I'm playing amateur psychoanalyst here

The individual elements you state apply to a lot of schools. Every school ranked below 20 has poor employment stats. Harvard and Columbia have large class sizes and are stingy with scholarships. Nobody wastes as much breath to bash WUSTL/GW/USC, which have similar cost structures for many applicants, large class sizes, and relatively poor employment outcomes. I agree that full-time GULC is rarely a good option compared to another T14 with similar costs. I'm just trying to address the vitriol directed against GULC in particular.

No one wastes their breath bashing those schools for being misleadingly counted in the T14 because they are not counted in the T14. GULC is. And it's a terrible choice compared to its so-called "peers."

I really don't understand what's so difficult to understand here, other than the inability of GULC apologists to stop pretending like they aren't attending what is basically an overpriced GWU.