IF LSAT and GPA are 95% of admissions Forum

[Louis1127]

Why don't most people attend HYS and other T14s?

I'm sure if they do their research, they would know that they need a 3.8+ GPA and also a high LSAT score.

Why don't more people get a high GPA and just keep practicing the LSAT prep tests until they reach their wanted scores?

Because you can't go back in time and undo your GPA, and many people do not achieve a 170+ LSAT?

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[SoldierOfGod]

Why don't most people attend HYS and other T14s?

I'm sure if they do their research, they would know that they need a 3.8+ GPA and also a high LSAT score.

Why don't more people get a high GPA and just keep practicing the LSAT prep tests until they reach their wanted scores?

Because you can't go back in time and undo your GPA, and many people do not achieve a 170+ LSAT?

End Thread?

I've seen someone spend 2 years studying for the LSAT to get a 178 lol.

[Louis1127]

OK, at least on the LSAT part- I see what you're saying. This is one of those classic "Can anyone get a 180/175/170?" debates. I'm not writing off that debate as stupid- it's a legitimate debate, although it has been discussed on TLS pretty extensively before (although no consensus can be drawn from what I have read (which is alot)).

[nerd1]

Why don't most people attend HYS and other T14s?

I'm sure if they do their research, they would know that they need a 3.8+ GPA and also a high LSAT score.

Why don't more people get a high GPA and just keep practicing the LSAT prep tests until they reach their wanted scores?

Because you can't go back in time and undo your GPA, and many people do not achieve a 170+ LSAT?

End Thread?

I've seen someone spend 2 years studying for the LSAT to get a 178 lol.

I've seen some people who couldn't get a score above 165 even after three takes. I've heard about a person who couldn't break 160 after three takes.
TLS is not representative of the entire test-taking population. Relatively few post here and those that do tend to be confident about their score.
People are all different.

[SoldierOfGod]

Why don't most people attend HYS and other T14s?

I'm sure if they do their research, they would know that they need a 3.8+ GPA and also a high LSAT score.

Why don't more people get a high GPA and just keep practicing the LSAT prep tests until they reach their wanted scores?

Because you can't go back in time and undo your GPA, and many people do not achieve a 170+ LSAT?

End Thread?

I've seen someone spend 2 years studying for the LSAT to get a 178 lol.

I've seen some people who couldn't get a score above 165 even after three takes. I've heard about a person who couldn't break 160 after three takes.
TLS is not representative of the entire test-taking population. Relatively few post here and those that do tend to be confident about their score.
People are all different.

I agree.
I would also say that people who don't get over 165 GENERALLY don't have a high gpa either.
But High GPA/HIGH LSAT is the least common, although generally people with High GPAs have decent LSAT scores.

OK, at least on the LSAT part- I see what you're saying. This is one of those classic "Can anyone get a 180/175/170?" debates. I'm not writing off that debate as stupid- it's a legitimate debate, although it has been discussed on TLS pretty extensively before (although no consensus can be drawn from what I have read (which is alot)).

I would say not everyone can get a 170. For some people it's just way too hard, or it would take over 10 years.

[Louis1127]

Curious as to what type of undergrad you go to soldier of god? I go to big state U, and let's just say we're not super selective in admissions, and you'd be surprised at the number of ppl with above a 3.5 and an LSAT below 150.

Curious about your undergrad b/c I think u may have a skewed view of what a high/low GPA entails.

Although most of the ppl I'm talking about don't study for the LSAT at all , which sort of gives your view some support, maybe

[SoldierOfGod]

Curious as to what type of undergrad you go to soldier of god? I go to big state U, and let's just say we're not super selective in admissions, and you'd be surprised at the number of ppl with above a 3.5 and an LSAT below 150.

Curious about your undergrad b/c I think u may have a skewed view of what a high/low GPA entails.

Although most of the ppl I'm talking about don't study for the LSAT at all , which sort of gives your view some support, maybe

Top Private school in the East, don't really want to say.

GPA averages are similar for all unis. The average math/science GPA is like 2.8

[Louis1127]

Curious as to what type of undergrad you go to soldier of god? I go to big state U, and let's just say we're not super selective in admissions, and you'd be surprised at the number of ppl with above a 3.5 and an LSAT below 150.

Curious about your undergrad b/c I think u may have a skewed view of what a high/low GPA entails.

Although most of the ppl I'm talking about don't study for the LSAT at all , which sort of gives your view some support, maybe

Top Private school in the East, don't really want to say.

GPA averages are similar for all unis. The average math/science GPA is like 2.8

Just because GPA averages are similar for all unis doesn't mean that the quality of a 3.5 student from Harvard is the same as the quality of a 3.5 student at where I go, which is non-selective big state U.

I do think that you are underestimating how many low LSATs there are out there, which makes sense, because you go to a really good school (which isn't a knock against you, I'm just saying you haven't seen the many 3.5s and 145s that I have).

[03152016]

Lots of people don't decide to go to LS until after they graduate. That was the case for me. I never gave a shit about grades in UG because I thought I was going to make it as a rock star (LOL).

I agree that you don't really need excellent intelligence and work ethic to get into a top school. I think most people need one of the two and a few need neither.

[sparty99]

I'm not a good test taker, so 170+ is just not possible unless perhaps I was trained for the LSAT at a Chinese school from age 8 to 18.

[WaltGrace83]

Why don't most people attend HYS and other T14s?

I'm sure if they do their research, they would know that they need a 3.8+ GPA and also a high LSAT score.

Why don't more people get a high GPA and just keep practicing the LSAT prep tests until they reach their wanted scores?

Those of us on this site are, somehow unbelievably, the tiny minority. Most people just don't know/care enough to do the requisite research. A thousand Elle Woods for every Walt Grace.

lol haven't even taken the LSAT yet, bud.

But in all seriousness, I don't understand how people just simply don't care about the debt, the lack of employment, etc. These are the same people that believe in prestige and that you can "do anything you want with a law degree."

[MistakenGenius]

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[Cobretti]

Why don't most people attend HYS and other T14s?

I'm sure if they do their research, they would know that they need a 3.8+ GPA and also a high LSAT score.

Why don't more people get a high GPA and just keep practicing the LSAT prep tests until they reach their wanted scores?

Finally, someone gets it. I think its all the same people who insist on being poor because they don't just get more money. Its like, have you even heard of an ATM? Sometimes you just can't help people that won't help themselves though.

[Tiago Splitter]

Nobody wants to believe their future rests on a couple numbers so they think: "the process HAS to be more holistic than that". It's just not.

To be fair in pretty much any other discipline your future rests on much more than just those two numbers. The entire law school process, from admissions to OCI and large firm hiring (1/3 of the way through? WTF?) is really unique.

[Cicero76]

Oh really

User-search Cicero.

It really isn't that hard to get a 3.8 in a bullshit major and study for the LSAT for like 6 months.

hahhahahahaha

[Lincoln]

This has to be the most obnoxious and condescending thread subject I've seen. I look forward to meeting all of you in the courtroom and wiping the floor with you (except Cobretti, whom I'll give the benefit of the doubt and assume is being sarcastic to great effect).

[Tiago Splitter]

This has to be the most obnoxious and condescending thread subject I've seen. I look forward to meeting all of you in the courtroom and wiping the floor with you (except Cobretti, whom I'll give the benefit of the doubt and assume is being sarcastic to great effect).

lol

[ThinkNegative]

Oh really

User-search Cicero.

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