AA Male 3.16/157 Forum

[IAMGenius]

I would be willing to bet that 165 secures t14 unless there is some other flaw we are not aware of. Are you a Va. or Mich. resident by any chance? I think 163 may open the door to the t14 (I'm thinking Cornell and Duke). 170 should make you competitive for just about anywhere. It would certainly at least open the door at CN. Do your best, put a good application together, and then see if you like you options. The GPA is a slight hinderance, but I think some here are being somewhat pessimistic.

Ok seriously.. are we sure we arent overestimating the URM boost on TLS(serious question)?? If you have a decent shot at t14 with a 3.1x and 163 then HYS should be willing to build a private study wing into the library for any AA male with 3.5+ and 170+.

Lol! That does seem crazy, but I've seriously talked to a Law School Admissions counselor.(won't give details, just trust me) They informed me that the boost does exist and it can be as extreme as 10 points on the LSAT at some schools. It really depends on your other application material. Basically admissions are more likely to give you a big boost if you have good recs and and a good PS. Just what I heard, not what I know.

I agree that there is a major URM boost, but it shouldn't be taken for granted. From what I've heard it only adds to one's LSAT score (I heard the 10 point thing as well). But a poor or mediocre GPA is definitely taken into consideration. Also, URMs should be able to show (via their personal statements) how their URM status has impacted their lives, how they've overcome, etc.

Basically Joe Schmoe african american city council intern with a 3.0 and a 155 shouldn't expect top law schools to knock on his door - he has to knock on theirs (and maybe even crawl in the windows

Definetly agree.

[MrKappus]

I agree that there is a major URM boost, but it shouldn't be taken for granted. From what I've heard it only adds to one's LSAT score (I heard the 10 point thing as well). But a poor or mediocre GPA is definitely taken into consideration. Also, URMs should be able to show (via their personal statements) how their URM status has impacted their lives, how they've overcome, etc.

Basically Joe Schmoe african american city council intern with a 3.0 and a 155 shouldn't expect top law schools to knock on his door - he has to knock on theirs (and maybe even crawl in the windows

Regardless of how clever you thought your metaphor was, this could easily be misinterpreted as pretty racist. Just FYI.

[rundoxierun]

I agree that there is a major URM boost, but it shouldn't be taken for granted. From what I've heard it only adds to one's LSAT score (I heard the 10 point thing as well). But a poor or mediocre GPA is definitely taken into consideration. Also, URMs should be able to show (via their personal statements) how their URM status has impacted their lives, how they've overcome, etc.

Basically Joe Schmoe african american city council intern with a 3.0 and a 155 shouldn't expect top law schools to knock on his door - he has to knock on theirs (and maybe even crawl in the windows

Regardless of how clever you thought your metaphor was, this could easily be misinterpreted as pretty racist. Just FYI.

Thanks very much Jesse Jackson.

[IAMGenius]

I agree that there is a major URM boost, but it shouldn't be taken for granted. From what I've heard it only adds to one's LSAT score (I heard the 10 point thing as well). But a poor or mediocre GPA is definitely taken into consideration. Also, URMs should be able to show (via their personal statements) how their URM status has impacted their lives, how they've overcome, etc.

Basically Joe Schmoe african american city council intern with a 3.0 and a 155 shouldn't expect top law schools to knock on his door - he has to knock on theirs (and maybe even crawl in the windows

Regardless of how clever you thought your metaphor was, this could easily be misinterpreted as pretty racist. Just FYI.

LOL! Even as a AA male, I didn't pay attention to it until you pointed it out...

[jennylynn]

I agree that there is a major URM boost, but it shouldn't be taken for granted. From what I've heard it only adds to one's LSAT score (I heard the 10 point thing as well). But a poor or mediocre GPA is definitely taken into consideration. Also, URMs should be able to show (via their personal statements) how their URM status has impacted their lives, how they've overcome, etc.

Basically Joe Schmoe african american city council intern with a 3.0 and a 155 shouldn't expect top law schools to knock on his door - he has to knock on theirs (and maybe even crawl in the windows

Definetly agree.

This hasn't really been my experience, but I'm sure the weight URM status is given can vary depending on the school.

[rundoxierun]

I agree that there is a major URM boost, but it shouldn't be taken for granted. From what I've heard it only adds to one's LSAT score (I heard the 10 point thing as well). But a poor or mediocre GPA is definitely taken into consideration. Also, URMs should be able to show (via their personal statements) how their URM status has impacted their lives, how they've overcome, etc.

Basically Joe Schmoe african american city council intern with a 3.0 and a 155 shouldn't expect top law schools to knock on his door - he has to knock on theirs (and maybe even crawl in the windows

Regardless of how clever you thought your metaphor was, this could easily be misinterpreted as pretty racist. Just FYI.

LOL! Even as a AA male, I didn't pay attention to it until you pointed it out...

Every stupid thing can be "interpreted" as racist .. "oh, look. The black laptop is cheaper than the white one.. THATS RACIST"

[MrKappus]

Every stupid thing can be "interpreted" as racist .. "oh, look. The black laptop is cheaper than the white one.. THATS RACIST"

Yes. The black laptop thing is exactly like linking AA's to burglary. Comparison superfail.

[rundoxierun]

Every stupid thing can be "interpreted" as racist .. "oh, look. The black laptop is cheaper than the white one.. THATS RACIST"

Yes. The black laptop thing is exactly like linking AA's to burglary. Comparison superfail.

How about this statement.. "By winning the presidency Obama didnt just open the door for African-Americans in politics, he kicked it down." Racist???

[D Brooks]

::pokes head back in the door::

[MrKappus]

Every stupid thing can be "interpreted" as racist .. "oh, look. The black laptop is cheaper than the white one.. THATS RACIST"

Yes. The black laptop thing is exactly like linking AA's to burglary. Comparison superfail.

How about this statement.. "By winning the presidency Obama didnt just open the door for African-Americans in politics, he kicked it down." Racist???

Not racist, as much as non-sensical. How is getting elected analogous to breaking down a door by force?

[jennylynn]

[IAMGenius]

Anymore comments on OP. Still taking responses. LOL! At this point it seems that a 165+ gives me a good shot at t14. A 170+ makes me a lock for at least 1 or 2. What about a 175+ (it's possible.) Where would that put me?

[MrKappus]

Anymore comments on OP. Still taking responses. LOL! At this point it seems that a 165+ gives me a good shot at t14. A 170+ makes me a lock for at least 1 or 2. What about a 175+ (it's possible.) Where would that put me?

It would put you at a T6, but probably not HYS.

[D Brooks]

Anymore comments on OP. Still taking responses. LOL! At this point it seems that a 165+ gives me a good shot at t14. A 170+ makes me a lock for at least 1 or 2. What about a 175+ (it's possible.) Where would that put me?

It would put you at a T6, but probably not HYS.

H would be possible.

I am an AA splitter as well and I was two questions away from getting a 175 on last Sept's LSAT. Going to MVPB instead of CCN because of it.

Ah well....

[rundoxierun]

Every stupid thing can be "interpreted" as racist .. "oh, look. The black laptop is cheaper than the white one.. THATS RACIST"

Yes. The black laptop thing is exactly like linking AA's to burglary. Comparison superfail.

How about this statement.. "By winning the presidency Obama didnt just open the door for African-Americans in politics, he kicked it down." Racist???

Not racist, as much as non-sensical. How is getting elected analogous to breaking down a door by force?

LOL.. umm.. the same way knocking on a law schools door is analogous to admissions.

[r2b2ct]

I would be willing to bet that 165 secures t14 unless there is some other flaw we are not aware of. Are you a Va. or Mich. resident by any chance? I think 163 may open the door to the t14 (I'm thinking Cornell and Duke). 170 should make you competitive for just about anywhere. It would certainly at least open the door at CN. Do your best, put a good application together, and then see if you like you options. The GPA is a slight hinderance, but I think some here are being somewhat pessimistic.

Ok seriously.. are we sure we arent overestimating the URM boost on TLS(serious question)?? If you have a decent shot at t14 with a 3.1x and 163 then HYS should be willing to build a private study wing into the library for any AA male with 3.5+ and 170+.

I think a combination of the URM boost and URM unpredictability makes his statements somewhat plausible. Still I think OP doesn't have a decent shot at any t14 until 165+. CCN seems very unlikely without 170+. I think if you crack 172 Harvard is possible but far from a guarantee.

[MrKappus]

LOL.. umm.. the same way knocking on a law schools door is analogous to admissions.

No.

[evilgenius]

I agree that there is a major URM boost, but it shouldn't be taken for granted. From what I've heard it only adds to one's LSAT score (I heard the 10 point thing as well). But a poor or mediocre GPA is definitely taken into consideration. Also, URMs should be able to show (via their personal statements) how their URM status has impacted their lives, how they've overcome, etc.

Basically Joe Schmoe african american city council intern with a 3.0 and a 155 shouldn't expect top law schools to knock on his door - he has to knock on theirs (and maybe even crawl in the windows

Regardless of how clever you thought your metaphor was, this could easily be misinterpreted as pretty racist. Just FYI.

Wow, I've been Al Sharptoned on TLS. Lol

I completely disagree with you. The metaphor was basically saying that the OP, and any African American applicant, should do whatever necessary - and use any resource available (including a window) - to get into a good law school and not take their URM status for granted.

I don't know if you thought I was one of these douchebag TLS kids trying to make a joke, but just as an FYI, I'm African American, gay, and non-trad.

[MrKappus]

I agree that there is a major URM boost, but it shouldn't be taken for granted. From what I've heard it only adds to one's LSAT score (I heard the 10 point thing as well). But a poor or mediocre GPA is definitely taken into consideration. Also, URMs should be able to show (via their personal statements) how their URM status has impacted their lives, how they've overcome, etc.

Basically Joe Schmoe african american city council intern with a 3.0 and a 155 shouldn't expect top law schools to knock on his door - he has to knock on theirs (and maybe even crawl in the windows

Regardless of how clever you thought your metaphor was, this could easily be misinterpreted as pretty racist. Just FYI.

Wow, I've been Al Sharptoned on TLS. Lol

I completely disagree with you. The metaphor was basically saying that the OP, and any African American applicant, should do whatever necessary - and use any resource available (including a window) - to get into a good law school and not take their URM status for granted.

I don't know if you thought I was one of these douchebag TLS kids trying to make a joke, but just as an FYI, I'm African American, gay, and non-trad.

Haha ok that's fine...I was just saying linking AA's to burglary miiiight be a little off-color (HEY OH!). So I was wrong. I apologize for PCing this thread to death.

[el jefe]

So my LSAT turned out 12 points lower than PT average. Never been so nervous in my life!!! I'll retake in Oct. But for now what do my chances look like. I really want to go as high in the top 20 as possible even if I have to ride the URM ticket to get there. Also what do I need to get on the October retake to have a stronger chance at each school? This was the part everyone missed. It's the only part I care to know. I already knew I had a slim chance at most of these schools as my numbers are now. So again WHAT DO I NEED TO MAKE IN OCT TO GET IN?
These are my 2 dream schools but I doubt if I get in but just for fun give your opinions:

Chicago
NYU

Seriously:

Georgetown
George Washington
Virginia
Vanderbuilt
Michigan
Duke
Emory-My realistic goal
Minnesota
Alabama
Howard
Miami
Florida
Florida International

You basically have the same stats as me. The AA boost is legit, get at least a low 160 and u can break into t-20, no bs. Hell with your current scores, you can already make t-30 and if you apply early maybe even t-25.

[Na_Swatch]

Anymore comments on OP. Still taking responses. LOL! At this point it seems that a 165+ gives me a good shot at t14. A 170+ makes me a lock for at least 1 or 2. What about a 175+ (it's possible.) Where would that put me?

It would put you at a T6, but probably not HYS.

A 3.16, 175 AA male would have probably better than 70% chance at H. AA male URM boosts are probably one of the highest boosts you can get, just look at last cycle with its heavier competition there was still:

3.1~3.2, 171 AA Male accepted at HLS
3.0~3.2, 174 AA Male accepted at HLS

[beachbum]

Anymore comments on OP. Still taking responses. LOL! At this point it seems that a 165+ gives me a good shot at t14. A 170+ makes me a lock for at least 1 or 2. What about a 175+ (it's possible.) Where would that put me?

It would put you at a T6, but probably not HYS.

A 3.16, 175 AA male would have probably better than 70% chance at H. AA male URM boosts are probably one of the highest boosts you can get, just look at last cycle with its heavier competition there was still:

3.1~3.2, 171 AA Male accepted at HLS
3.0~3.2, 174 AA Male accepted at HLS

In related news: God I wish I was a URM.

[MrKappus]

Anymore comments on OP. Still taking responses. LOL! At this point it seems that a 165+ gives me a good shot at t14. A 170+ makes me a lock for at least 1 or 2. What about a 175+ (it's possible.) Where would that put me?

It would put you at a T6, but probably not HYS.

A 3.16, 175 AA male would have probably better than 70% chance at H. AA male URM boosts are probably one of the highest boosts you can get, just look at last cycle with its heavier competition there was still:

3.1~3.2, 171 AA Male accepted at HLS
3.0~3.2, 174 AA Male accepted at HLS

I love the data. To re-post:

"It would put you at a T6, but probably not YS."

[Na_Swatch]

Anymore comments on OP. Still taking responses. LOL! At this point it seems that a 165+ gives me a good shot at t14. A 170+ makes me a lock for at least 1 or 2. What about a 175+ (it's possible.) Where would that put me?

It would put you at a T6, but probably not HYS.

A 3.16, 175 AA male would have probably better than 70% chance at H. AA male URM boosts are probably one of the highest boosts you can get, just look at last cycle with its heavier competition there was still:

3.1~3.2, 171 AA Male accepted at HLS
3.0~3.2, 174 AA Male accepted at HLS

I love the data. To re-post:

"It would put you at a T6, but probably not YS."

Actually URMs seem to prefer H to S... so your chances for Stanford are probably just as good if you get those numbers.

There was like a ~3.7, ~165 Native American Male (can't quite remember) into Stanford just this past cycle.

[D Brooks]

3.1~3.2, 171 AA Male accepted at HLS
3.0~3.2, 174 AA Male accepted at HLS

UGH. I hate my GPA.