Things TLS does not know Forum

[Grizz]

Yea.. im not even going to argue with the ppl thinking Duke/GTown/Cornell are significantly better than Vandy. If this thread is pointless to you then you always have "Wife Wanting to Attend Law School - Husband Forbidding It", "LawSchoolNumbers.com Fudging of Numbers", and "Human Rights Law" to fall back on.

I will, thanks. Or maybe I'll go for a dose of "Nova Southeastern vs. Barry Law" or "Wealth from being an associate."

A certifiable classic.

Rad, send me the link to that Akron law thread that I keep hearing about.

Not as good as Nova v. Barry, but

http://top-law-schools.com/forums/viewt ... &t=120603&

[kalvano]

I'm part of TLS, and I don't know algebra.

[Mr. Matlock]

My shoe size.

[Borhas]

as far as i can tell nobody here knows how to be a good lawyer or how to run a business (which really sucks)

but I came here to learn how to game admissions, and this site has great resources for that

info for how to do well in school is more rare, but I have found good stuff

[bk1]

2) What a year means to you. (scenario: guy with 3.8/170 gets into Vandy and wants to work in the Southeast but wonders if he should retake/reapply.)

Sample answer: "retake you can get into Harvard with that gpa plus a 180."; "Reapply, those are T14 numbers." Here vandy is a great school with great prospects so it really comes down to how the OP feels about taking a year off.

Considering that people asking questions on these forums are often straight out of UG, they irrationally overvalue a year for the most part.

[Matthies]

5) How to get into super specific legal specialty areas. ("How do I get into French LGBT entertainment law", "How do I get into Pacific NW land/resource law in the private sector".)

Sample answer: "Stanford, L&C and UC-Berkeley are highly ranked in that area". Anyone can easily look up specialty rankings but you dont generally go from law school straight into specialties. You work as a generalist and then specialize through your casework. (i.e. you do well on a bunch of resource management cases you can become a specialist in that area.)

Are you saying this is the right answer or the typical I've never actually done this, don't know anybody who has, never even heard of this spceiclity area but I'm going to tell you anyway how its speficilly works TLS answer?

[rundoxierun]

5) How to get into super specific legal specialty areas. ("How do I get into French LGBT entertainment law", "How do I get into Pacific NW land/resource law in the private sector".)

Sample answer: "Stanford, L&C and UC-Berkeley are highly ranked in that area". Anyone can easily look up specialty rankings but you dont generally go from law school straight into specialties. You work as a generalist and then specialize through your casework. (i.e. you do well on a bunch of resource management cases you can become a specialist in that area.)

Are you saying this is the right answer or the typical I've never actually done this, don't know anybody who has, never even heard of this spceiclity area but I'm going to tell you anyway how its speficilly works TLS answer?

The quoted portion is the typical TLS answer. The unquoted is how it works, I forgot to add that for the most part you dont really just do a specialty. For instance, an acquaintance who is a managing partner at a local law firm, vandy grad for those interested, told me the story of his dream of being a civil rights attorney. He said the problem is you dont typically get enough civil rights to just do civil rights work. In the past five years he has maybe done 2 or 3 civil rights cases.

[Matthies]

5) How to get into super specific legal specialty areas. ("How do I get into French LGBT entertainment law", "How do I get into Pacific NW land/resource law in the private sector".)

Sample answer: "Stanford, L&C and UC-Berkeley are highly ranked in that area". Anyone can easily look up specialty rankings but you dont generally go from law school straight into specialties. You work as a generalist and then specialize through your casework. (i.e. you do well on a bunch of resource management cases you can become a specialist in that area.)

Are you saying this is the right answer or the typical I've never actually done this, don't know anybody who has, never even heard of this spceiclity area but I'm going to tell you anyway how its speficilly works TLS answer?

The quoted portion is the typical TLS answer. The unquoted is how it works, I forgot to add that for the most part you dont really just do a specialty. For instance, an acquaintance who is a managing partner at a local law firm, vandy grad as well, told me the story of his dream of being a civil rights attorney. He said the problem is you dont typically get enough civil rights to just do civil rights work. In the past five years he has maybe done 2 or 3 civil rights cases.

Hmm so me doing environmental law, water law, and endangered species act stuff is just a pipe dream huh? I agree with your quoted part, but not sure I agree with your "how it works" part.

[rundoxierun]

5) How to get into super specific legal specialty areas. ("How do I get into French LGBT entertainment law", "How do I get into Pacific NW land/resource law in the private sector".)

Sample answer: "Stanford, L&C and UC-Berkeley are highly ranked in that area". Anyone can easily look up specialty rankings but you dont generally go from law school straight into specialties. You work as a generalist and then specialize through your casework. (i.e. you do well on a bunch of resource management cases you can become a specialist in that area.)

Are you saying this is the right answer or the typical I've never actually done this, don't know anybody who has, never even heard of this spceiclity area but I'm going to tell you anyway how its speficilly works TLS answer?

The quoted portion is the typical TLS answer. The unquoted is how it works, I forgot to add that for the most part you dont really just do a specialty. For instance, an acquaintance who is a managing partner at a local law firm, vandy grad as well, told me the story of his dream of being a civil rights attorney. He said the problem is you dont typically get enough civil rights to just do civil rights work. In the past five years he has maybe done 2 or 3 civil rights cases.

Hmm so me doing environmental law, water law, and endangered species act stuff is just a pipe dream huh? I agree with your quoted part, but not sure I agree with your "how it works" part.

Ehh.. for some reason people on TLS love to take things to extremes. Yes, it is possible to work in that stuff but most likely that is not the ONLY thing you will be working in(with the exception of specific government organizations of course.) and you will NOT be working on it the way people assume. Basically, working for a firm you are very rarely going to have a "save the wetlands" project come across your table. In water law, on the rare occasions you do have a water case, it will likely be more along the lines of Mississippi and Tennessee arguing over which state has rights to a certain body of water and how much the one state should be compensating the other for its use. In addition, you must be prepared to do much work outside of your specialty field.

[maxm2764]

Wait, I thought TLS knew everything?

[romothesavior]

Wait, I thought TLS knew everything?

We do, don't listen to this buffoon.

[bk1]

Wait, I thought TLS knew everything?

We do, don't listen to this buffoon.

+1

[Hey-O]

You should make a list of the things TLS does well. It would be a lot shorter and leave everyone a lot less butthurt. Here, I'll do it for you.

1. Offer free LSAT advice.
2. Distract you from doing more important things.

+10000

[maxm2764]

Wait, I thought TLS knew everything?

We do, don't listen to this buffoon.

That's a relief.

[Matthies]

Ehh.. for some reason people on TLS love to take things to extremes. Yes, it is possible to work in that stuff but most likely that is not the ONLY thing you will be working in(with the exception of specific government organizations of course.) and you will NOT be working on it the way people assume. Basically, working for a firm you are very rarely going to have a "save the wetlands" project come across your table. In water law, on the rare occasions you do have a water case, it will likely be more along the lies of Mississippi and Tennessee arguing over which state has rights to a certain body of water and how much the one state should be compensating the other for its use. In addition, you must be prepared to do much work outside of your specialty field.

Oh snap, don't tell my clinets this then, cuase I need this gig. Also you took my bait hook line and sinker. FYI the Mississippi is a navigable waterway, its owned by the federal government not the states (based on the equal footing doctrine). Also Mississippi and Tennessee are both riparian rights states. In riparian water law states you don't "own" the water, merely the right make a "reasonable use" of it as it flows by land that abuts the waterway.

West of roughly the 100th meridian things are very different, as the land is more arid and water resources fare more scare. Out west most states use the Prior Appropriation method of water law (or a hybrid system) where one can own the right to the water (but not the water itself) so long as they continue to put it to a "beneficial use". In a PA state, one with a more senior use can put a "call' on the river and basically take all the water he/she is entitled to, even if the a city or farm downstream would go dry because of it. So there is quite a bit of water law work in western states.

In fact one of the longest running casea in the history of the United States Supreme Court is a water law case, Kansas v. Colorado (1902 to who knows when...)

People, maybe unwisely so, pay me to do this shit for a living, and yea I specialized in law school and this is what I do practice wise (as well as ESA stuff), I also only graduated in 2009. I don't work for a firm, firms lawyers and PI orgs come to me to handle this stuff for them, because well, its specialized. Its also all I do (unless its a friend who needs help, or anouther lawyer i know, I have done some criminal stuff, but just as favors moslty).

Anyway the point of all this is TLS is a great resource for finding stuff out, so long as you don't think you got it all figured out before you come here. Not anyone on TLS has all the answers, and people experiences will be different, but for most things you can usually find someone who has done what you're asking about, and those that have not but will still weight in anyway

So welcome to TLS, have a look around but watch out for the trolls.

[Mr. Matlock]

Wait, I thought TLS knew everything?

We do, don't listen to this buffoon.

You know my shoe size??????????

[romothesavior]

Oh snap, don't tell my clinets this then, cuase I need this gig. Also you took my bait hook line and sinker. FYI the Mississippi is a navigable waterway, its owned by the federal government not the states (based on the equal footing doctrine). Also Mississippi and Tennessee are both riparian rights states. In riparian water law states you don't "own" the water, merely the right make a "reasonable use" of it as it flows by.

West of roughly the 100th meridian things are very different, as the land is more arid and water resources fare more scare. Out west most states use the Prior Appropriation method of water law (or a hybrid system) where one can own the right to the water (but not the water itself) so long as they continue to put it to a "beneficial use". In a PA state, one with a more senior use can put a "call' on the river and basically take all the water he/she is entitled to, even if the a city or farm downstream would go dry because of it. So there is quite a bit of water law work in western states.

Hey I learned this in Getting to Maybe!!!!

I iz so smart!

[Matthies]

Oh snap, don't tell my clinets this then, cuase I need this gig. Also you took my bait hook line and sinker. FYI the Mississippi is a navigable waterway, its owned by the federal government not the states (based on the equal footing doctrine). Also Mississippi and Tennessee are both riparian rights states. In riparian water law states you don't "own" the water, merely the right make a "reasonable use" of it as it flows by.

West of roughly the 100th meridian things are very different, as the land is more arid and water resources fare more scare. Out west most states use the Prior Appropriation method of water law (or a hybrid system) where one can own the right to the water (but not the water itself) so long as they continue to put it to a "beneficial use". In a PA state, one with a more senior use can put a "call' on the river and basically take all the water he/she is entitled to, even if the a city or farm downstream would go dry because of it. So there is quite a bit of water law work in western states.

Hey I learned this in Getting to Maybe!!!!

I iz so smart!

What the hell where they doing tlaking about riprain/PA water law in GTM? Or was it in a proprty law context?

[romothesavior]

What the hell where they doing tlaking about riprain/PA water law in GTM? Or was it in a proprty law context?

They used it as an example to illustrate whatever it was they were talking about. It was more of a passing mention (maybe a paragraph) and it wasn't nearly as in depth as your explanation, but it was enough for me to understand what you were just saying.

Or maybe I just intuitively understand this stuff because, you know, I'm really really smart.

[Matthies]

What the hell where they doing tlaking about riprain/PA water law in GTM? Or was it in a proprty law context?

They used it as an example to illustrate whatever it was they were talking about. It was more of a passing mention (maybe a paragraph) and it wasn't nearly as in depth as your explanation, but it was enough for me to understand what you were just saying.

Or maybe I just intuitively understand this stuff because, you know, I'm really really smart.

watre law = hte smartz

[rundoxierun]

Ehh.. for some reason people on TLS love to take things to extremes. Yes, it is possible to work in that stuff but most likely that is not the ONLY thing you will be working in(with the exception of specific government organizations of course.) and you will NOT be working on it the way people assume. Basically, working for a firm you are very rarely going to have a "save the wetlands" project come across your table. In water law, on the rare occasions you do have a water case, it will likely be more along the lies of Mississippi and Tennessee arguing over which state has rights to a certain body of water and how much the one state should be compensating the other for its use. In addition, you must be prepared to do much work outside of your specialty field.

Oh snap, don't tell my clinets this then, cuase I need this gig. Also you took my bait hook line and sinker. FYI the Mississippi is a navigable waterway, its owned by the federal government not the states (based on the equal footing doctrine). Also Mississippi and Tennessee are both riparian rights states. In riparian water law states you don't "own" the water, merely the right make a "reasonable use" of it as it flows by land that abuts the waterway.

West of roughly the 100th meridian things are very different, as the land is more arid and water resources fare more scare. Out west most states use the Prior Appropriation method of water law (or a hybrid system) where one can own the right to the water (but not the water itself) so long as they continue to put it to a "beneficial use". In a PA state, one with a more senior use can put a "call' on the river and basically take all the water he/she is entitled to, even if the a city or farm downstream would go dry because of it. So there is quite a bit of water law work in western states.

In fact one of the longest running casea in the history of the United States Supreme Court is a water law case, Kansas v. Colorado (1902 to who knows when...)

People, maybe unwisely so, pay me to do this shit for a living, and yea I specialized in law school and this is what I do practice wise (as well as ESA stuff), I also only graduated in 2009. I don't work for a firm, firms lawyers and PI orgs come to me to handle this stuff for them, because well, its specialized. Its also all I do (unless its a friend who needs help, or anouther lawyer i know, I have done some criminal stuff, but just as favors moslty).

Anyway the point of all this is TLS is a great resource for finding stuff out, so long as you don't think you got it all figured out before you come here. Not anyone on TLS has all the answers, and people experiences will be different, but for most things you can usually find someone who has done what you're asking about, and those that have not but will still weight in anyway

So welcome to TLS, have a look around but watch out for the trolls.

Congrats man.. you might know a lot about super specific water laws.. you completely picked apart my non-specific generalized example that wasnt meant to signify an actual dispute. Apparently it makes you feel good to bait people into using such generalized statements so you can pick them apart. Males generally have XY sex chromosomes and females have XX sex chromosomes.. now you are good to go for bringing up specific genetic disorders to prove me wrong. Gold Star for you?? Yes, you can start your OWN practice and specialize (i.e. spanish speakers often start practices devoted almost entirely to immigration issues.) but the vast majority of people here are looking to work for firms.

[Matthies]

Congrats man.. you might know a lot about super specific water laws.. you completely picked apart my non-specific generalized example that wasnt meant to signify an actual dispute. Apparently it makes you feel good to bait people into using such generalized statements so you can pick them apart. Males generally have XY sex chromosomes and females have XX sex chromosomes.. now you are good to go for bringing up specific genetic disorders to prove me wrong. Gold Star for you?? Yes, you can start your OWN practice and specialize (i.e. spanish speakers often start practices devoted almost entirely to immigration issues.) but the vast majority of people here are looking to work for firms.

No, you kinda missed the point, dood, you make post staying TLS does not know what its talking about. You then proceed to give information that proves you don't know what you're talking about, that lawyers can't specialize out of law school. You tell me what water lawyers do, as if you have any clue, and say its not what most people on TLS think. (Which obviously includes you)Then you get your panties in a twist. lesson learned, TLS knows more than you do, but not even TLS, or me, knows everything.

[romothesavior]

Congrats man.. you might know a lot about super specific water laws.. you completely picked apart my non-specific generalized example that wasnt meant to signify an actual dispute. Apparently it makes you feel good to bait people into using such generalized statements so you can pick them apart. Males generally have XY sex chromosomes and females have XX sex chromosomes.. now you are good to go for bringing up specific genetic disorders to prove me wrong. Gold Star for you?? Yes, you can start your OWN practice and specialize (i.e. spanish speakers often start practices devoted almost entirely to immigration issues.) but the vast majority of people here are looking to work for firms.

No, you kinda missed the point, dood, you make post staying TLS does not know what its talking about. You then proceed to give information that proves you don't know what you're talking about, that lawyers can't specialize out of law school. You tell me what water lawyers do, as if you have any clue, and say its not what most people on TLS think. (Which obviously includes you)Then you get your panties in a twist. lesson learned, TLS knows more than you do, but not even TLS, or me, knows everything.

Credited.

OP, you're right that TLS is often a bunch of 0Ls spewing nonsense (hey, like me!), but this website is full of nuggets of golden information.

[Bosque]

I don't know much about water law personally, but I do know that there is plenty of work involving it in New Mexico. There are indeed attorneys who spend a great deal of their time dealing with it.

[romothesavior]

I don't know much about water law personally, but I do know that there is plenty of work involving it in New Mexico. There are indeed attorneys who spend a great deal of their time dealing with it.

Lotta fightin' over the waterin' hole down there in New Mexico, eh?