Only accepted at t7+, is law school worth it? Forum

[shutterbug]

This is my first post in this forum, but I used it this past year to basically figure out things about the application process.
So here's my story, in at Berkeley, Penn, Michigan, Virginia, Northwestern, Duke, Cornell, Georgetown.
Out at Yale, Harvard, Stanford, Columbia, NYU, Chicago.

I'm at a 3.8, 171, political science from an Ivy.
I had my sights set on at least CCN, but unfortunately that isn't happening, I really thought I was in at one of those three, but oh well.
My goal is to work for a V5 (Wachtell, Cravath, Skadden, Sullivan, Davis Polk), but I just don't see that happening anymore.

I can't go into Berkeley or Penn thinking that I'm going to be in the top 10% there, so I'm contemplating volunteering for a year, retaking the LSAT later this year, and giving next year's cycle another shot. Comments?

To the OP: STFU.

[rando]

I *am* a prestige whore. Nothing wrong with it, I'm just trying to understand if I should wait out a year, do something interesting, and reapply with the hopes of V5.

My moniker is depressed0L, I'm pursuing prestige but I can't get into a t6, so I'm depressed, I'm fine with chasing prestige, I'm not fine with my current situation, what about my moniker or my post is inconsistent with my prestige whoredom.

The fact that you are depressed about it not consistent with you being 'fine' with it. Either way. I don't really give a shit. You are setting yourself up for a world of disappointment. Not my problem. Again, just pointing out for you why people call you a douche and why you'll probably encounter that real-life moniker in the future.

I'm fine with being a prestige whore but depressed in my progress toward prestige, what about that is so hard to understand!?!?!??!??!!?!

You aren't V5 material.

[paratactical]

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[Ty Webb]

Flame, and also a good example of a person who should kill himself whether the post is true or not.

[TheTopBloke]

That's the problem. You're a whore.

Berkeley doesn't secure its law students private sector jobs, really, I'm not sure what they do.
MVP are good, but not NYC V5 good.
Chicago is phenomenal, whereas the other two - Columbia and NYU - feed right into these firms.
That's my concern.

You still haven't addressed the concern that you, as a 20 yr old 0L appear to have no clue what separates a V5 firm from a V10, 20 etc. Nor what you will be doing as an associate at said firm. And that is just assuming that you succeed in LS to get to V5.

The question was, is law school worth it?

The answer to your question is, no.

Go find a job in sales.

[depressed0L]

this forum has a theme of encouraging suicide. You guys should go into music or something. Or move over to:
http://www.realraptalk.com/f149/who-onl ... l-1089589/

[kaydish21]

OP is a huge...

[depressed0L]

http://www.realraptalk.com/f149/who-onl ... l-1089589/

[paratactical]

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[get it to x]

this forum has a theme of encouraging suicide. You guys should go into music or something. Or move over to:
http://www.realraptalk.com/f149/who-onl ... l-1089589/

Hey toolshed, if you seriously meant this, I hope a TTT grad wipes the floor with you at whatever white-shoed NYC firm you're working at and your boss tells you to go play in traffic for awhile.

[Bildungsroman]

I would go to Berkeley if it was a t6. I think the t6 distinction is because you can reasonably get a NYC elite law job from a t6, whereas from a non-t6 you have to be at the super-top of your class to get those jobs.

Isn't that why there's a "t6" (HYSCCN), for the New York City elite corporate law jobs, and the t4 for academia (Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Chicago)?

UPenn actually places more of its grads into BigLaw, actually places more of its grads into firms even within New York City, than NYU. If you think that T6 is actually a meaningful distinction, especially in regards to placing in NY City, then you clearly have not done enough research.

[stratocophic]

this forum has a theme of encouraging suicide. You guys should go into music or something. Or move over to:
http://www.realraptalk.com/f149/who-onl ... l-1089589/

Hey toolshed, if you seriously meant this, I hope a TTT grad wipes the floor with you at whatever white-shoed NYC firm you're working at and your boss tells you to go play in traffic for awhile.

This seems like an unwarranted assumption at this point.

this forum has a theme of encouraging suicide. You guys should go into music or something. Or move over to:
http://www.realraptalk.com/f149/who-onl ... l-1089589/

Hey toolshed, if you seriously meant this, I hope a TTT grad wipes the floor with you at whatever shitlaw firm you'll be working at and your boss tells you to go play in traffic for awhile.

Fixed!

[thecilent]

ED NYU FTW!

Edit: If you just strictly want t6. As for getting to the V5, probs not much difference between N and P. Oh and you most definitely will never make it to V5 anyway. hth

[Veyron]

I've met people working at the firms you describe at both Penn and NYU. Seemed to have roughly the same rank as well (i.e. top of the fucking class). Don't know what the big difference is...? If you are capable of ranking highly enough at one to get a V5 you should be smart enough to rank highly enough at the other to get one as well. Hell dood, I knew a kid who got V5 from GULC... in 2009. Berk would probably be tougher than Penn but doable, don't really know how they place in NYC.

[Kohinoor]

Flame, and also a good example of a person who should kill himself whether the post is true or not.

[sumus romani]

The advice is simple: take a year or more off and re-take. Also, most certainly NYU is not likely to help you out given your goals. Even CN probably won't. Really, what you need is only Y and H. If the economy were better, then t6 might cut it, but not now.

Just like everyone else, I think that anyone with your goals is an idiot: but the best advice given those goals is clear--only go to Y and H unless you wait several years for the economy to improve, in which case you can go to t6.

[danidancer]

Dude, you don't want V5. Not right out of LS anyway. Get that pesky SCOTUS clerkship out of the way first and enjoy the signing bonus that comes with it.

And yes, the lack of a T6 acceptance does mean that you are an utter, laughable failure and your life is ruined.

[Danteshek]

You will always be depressed. There will always be lots of people who are better than you.

[doyleoil]

So wait Mr. Flame....skadden makes you happy, but covington and K+E aren't good enough? lolz.

don't worry - with op's inevitable pwning of law school, skadden will be putting him on the fast track to partnership, modelz, and bottlez

[Matthies]

I *am* a prestige whore. Nothing wrong with it, I'm just trying to understand if I should wait out a year, do something interesting, and reapply with the hopes of V5.

My moniker is depressed0L, I'm pursuing prestige but I can't get into a t6, so I'm depressed, I'm fine with chasing prestige, I'm not fine with my current situation, what about my moniker or my post is inconsistent with my prestige whoredom.

The fact that you are depressed about it not consistent with you being 'fine' with it. Either way. I don't really give a shit. You are setting yourself up for a world of disappointment. Not my problem. Again, just pointing out for you why people call you a douche and why you'll probably encounter that real-life moniker in the future.

I'm fine with being a prestige whore but depressed in my progress toward prestige, what about that is so hard to understand!?!?!??!??!!?!

Wait what is prestigious about going to a law school whose reputation you had nothing to do with earning to work for a firm whose reputation you have nothing to do with acquiring as an entry level employee? That's not prestigious, that's riding someone else's coattails who did all the work for you. Seriously, it's like generation Y thinks clawing their way to middle management = American dream.

[gwuorbust]

Wait what is prestigious about going to a law school whose reputation you had nothing to do with earning to work for a firm whose reputation you have nothing to do with acquiring as an entry level employee? That's not prestigious, that's riding someone else's coattails who did all the work for you. Seriously, it's like generation Y thinks clawing their way to middle management = American dream.

cause document review 90+ hours a week is baller man...

[McNulty]

Only at t7+? That really sucks. Now, if you're also unattractive, it might just be the end of the road for you. Just end it right now.

[kalvano]

[Cleareyes]

Ugly and attending a law school other than Yale is no way to go through life, son.

[ikari_ningen]

Don't go to Berkeley. I don't want you around me.