% of prestigious undergrads in LS Forum

[ConMan345]

Well, for Yale Law, you at least need to work your butt off to get a high LSAT score, hence a fairer game.

Hmm, this seems to be a bit of a shaky conclusion.

I know what you mean.

lawl.

But seriously, are you saying that having to work hard makes it fairer, getting a high LSAT score makes it fairer, or, more generally, the use of the LSAT makes it fairer? In any case, I think it's a fallacy to say that a 3.8 at HYPS works less hard than/is not as smart as a 3.8 at XYZ State. You could argue, actually, that grade inflation at top institution makes GPAs more like the LSAT rather than less.

[violinst]

Well, for Yale Law, you at least need to work your butt off to get a high LSAT score, hence a fairer game.

Hmm, this seems to be a bit of a shaky conclusion.

I know what you mean.

lawl.

But seriously, are you saying that having to work hard makes it fairer, getting a high LSAT score makes it fairer, or, more generally, the use of the LSAT makes it fairer? In any case, I think it's a fallacy to say that a 3.8 at HYPS works less hard than/is not as smart as a 3.8 at XYZ State. You could argue, actually, that grade inflation at top institution makes GPAs more like the LSAT rather than less.

LSAT is a fairer game.

From my perspective, I got into two of the top institutions with grade inflation ( )at the time but decided to go to my LAC. Little did I know that the latter had a 2.9 curve. So...

[MrKappus]

The worst was this guy who had silk-screened for himself a "top dawg" shirt, and the back said "#1 GPA in XYZ College graduating class"... and I later learned that he was getting requests from other students there for their own shirts.

Psyche.

Jokes on him, they still end up at the same school.

your inferiority complex is showing.

[ConMan345]

lawl.

But seriously, are you saying that having to work hard makes it fairer, getting a high LSAT score makes it fairer, or, more generally, the use of the LSAT makes it fairer? In any case, I think it's a fallacy to say that a 3.8 at HYPS works less hard than/is not as smart as a 3.8 at XYZ State. You could argue, actually, that grade inflation at top institution makes GPAs more like the LSAT rather than less.

LSAT is a fairer game.

From my perspective, I got into two of the top institutions with grade inflation ( )at the time but decided to go to my LAC. Little did I know that the latter had a 2.9 curve. So...

Yeah, I'd be upset as well, haha. Reed, I presume?

From my perspective, LAC are claustrophobically small.

[violinst]

lawl.

But seriously, are you saying that having to work hard makes it fairer, getting a high LSAT score makes it fairer, or, more generally, the use of the LSAT makes it fairer? In any case, I think it's a fallacy to say that a 3.8 at HYPS works less hard than/is not as smart as a 3.8 at XYZ State. You could argue, actually, that grade inflation at top institution makes GPAs more like the LSAT rather than less.

LSAT is a fairer game.

From my perspective, I got into two of the top institutions with grade inflation ( )at the time but decided to go to my LAC. Little did I know that the latter had a 2.9 curve. So...

Yeah, I'd be upset as well, haha. Reed, I presume?

From my perspective, LAC are claustrophobically small.

No. But what happened to Reed? I just checked its ranking. 49! Not even on the first TWO pages of the USNWR ranking! It was much higher 10 years ago (oops, I am old).

I love my LAC though. No regret here at all.

"clasutrophobically small" -- I may choose Cornell exactly for this reason.

[dutchstriker]

They had a guest list at the HLS ASW. I actually counted up all the schools because I had a 30 hour bus ride back home.

Of the 243 students at the ASW, 150 were from either a top 10 LAC or top 25 national university (according to USNWR). 65 of those were HYPS. Most of the remainders were recognizable schools probably in the top 50. Someone did go to Sonoma State, though.

[im_blue]

Both HLS and YLS have about 40% Ivy grads and another ~10% from Stanford/Berkeley.
http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... =2&t=48746

[Rawlsian]

Well, for Yale Law, you at least need to work your butt off to get a high LSAT score, hence a fairer game.

Hmm, this seems to be a bit of a shaky conclusion.

I know what you mean.

lawl.

But seriously, are you saying that having to work hard makes it fairer, getting a high LSAT score makes it fairer, or, more generally, the use of the LSAT makes it fairer? In any case, I think it's a fallacy to say that a 3.8 at HYPS works less hard than/is not as smart as a 3.8 at XYZ State. You could argue, actually, that grade inflation at top institution makes GPAs more like the LSAT rather than less.

There are studies out there that control for SAT/ACT scores, and still find private school grades significantly more inflated than those at public schools.

[whitman]

To the person that asked about top publics: they are generally considered Berkeley, Michigan, UVA, UCLA, UNC. There are other great publics, of course, but those are the five that are considered elite.

[crackberry]

To the person that asked about top publics: they are generally considered Berkeley, Michigan, UVA, UCLA, UNC. There are other great publics, of course, but those are the five that are considered elite.

To put UNC in that tier is to do a serious disservice to the other four schools in that list.

I grant you that UNC is a Top 5 large public, but it is not in the same league as Berkeley, Michigan, UVA and UCLA.

[OperaSoprano]

They had a guest list at the HLS ASW. I actually counted up all the schools because I had a 30 hour bus ride back home.

Of the 243 students at the ASW, 150 were from either a top 10 LAC or top 25 national university (according to USNWR). 65 of those were HYPS. Most of the remainders were recognizable schools probably in the top 50. Someone did go to Sonoma State, though.

TBH, this is the case up and down the law school rankings. Fordham is stuffed with Columbia, Cornell and Penn grads (though also a lot of NYU and Fordham UG). Conspicuously absent: other people who attended SUNY schools. Seriously, I think I know one person. God knows what they all think about me.

[prezidentv8]

They had a guest list at the HLS ASW. I actually counted up all the schools because I had a 30 hour bus ride back home.

Of the 243 students at the ASW, 150 were from either a top 10 LAC or top 25 national university (according to USNWR). 65 of those were HYPS. Most of the remainders were recognizable schools probably in the top 50. Someone did go to Sonoma State, though.

Holy crap.

Who?!

[kdw94780]

To the person that asked about top publics: they are generally considered Berkeley, Michigan, UVA, UCLA, UNC. There are other great publics, of course, but those are the five that are considered elite.

To put UNC in that tier is to do a serious disservice to the other four schools in that list.

I grant you that UNC is a Top 5 large public, but it is not in the same league as Berkeley, Michigan, UVA and UCLA.

I'd also take out Michigan for undergrad...seriously

[whitman]

You don't think UNC's undergrad is an elite undergrad, but Michigan and UCLA are? Interesting. I'd always thought UNC and UVA undergrads were equivalent, with Michigan behind.

[violinst]

To the person that asked about top publics: they are generally considered Berkeley, Michigan, UVA, UCLA, UNC. There are other great publics, of course, but those are the five that are considered elite.

To put UNC in that tier is to do a serious disservice to the other four schools in that list.

I grant you that UNC is a Top 5 large public, but it is not in the same league as Berkeley, Michigan, UVA and UCLA.

I wouldn't put UCLA in that league either. Berkeley, Michigan, and UVA are comparable, imo. UCLA is a step below, then you have UNC, Wisconsin, Illinois, Colorado, Texas, etc

[fortissimo]

You don't think UNC's undergrad is an elite undergrad, but Michigan and UCLA are? Interesting. I'd always thought UNC and UVA undergrads were equivalent, with Michigan behind.

Not according to the rankings...

The top publics are Berkeley, Michigan, UVA, and UCLA. They have very similar 25-75 interquartile ranges.

[09042014]

You don't think UNC's undergrad is an elite undergrad, but Michigan and UCLA are? Interesting. I'd always thought UNC and UVA undergrads were equivalent, with Michigan behind.

Which school are more prestigious is more regional. In the midwest people think Michigan is elite, and think UNC isn't worth shit.

[fortissimo]

You don't think UNC's undergrad is an elite undergrad, but Michigan and UCLA are? Interesting. I'd always thought UNC and UVA undergrads were equivalent, with Michigan behind.

Which school are more prestigious is more regional. In the midwest people think Michigan is elite, and think UNC isn't worth shit.

Nobody knows wtf UNC is out west or in the midwest. First time I heard of it was after I graduated from college. (Then again nobody knows wtf UVA is either, but it is a legit top public.)

[whitman]

UNC's ranking is distorted due to high in-state requirements. Berkeley's is higher, true, but they have a much larger state to draw from. As a result, UNC's SAT scores, etc, are skewed downward. So maybe the student body is slightly less elite on average, but the institution and the top of the undergrad are on par, IMO.

[crackberry]

If we're talking solely about UG, UCLA and Berkeley are pretty comparable. Berkeley is slightly better, but only slightly.

In my head it's Berkeley, UVA, UCLA, Michigan in that order, but I'm not sure why I think that.

[kdw94780]

You don't think UNC's undergrad is an elite undergrad, but Michigan and UCLA are? Interesting. I'd always thought UNC and UVA undergrads were equivalent, with Michigan behind.

Which school are more prestigious is more regional. In the midwest people think Michigan is elite, and think UNC isn't worth shit.

All Midwestern people think Michigan is elite? Haha, people who live west of the Mississippi wouldn't know the difference between Michigan and Michigan State. I think the only big public school to have national elite status is Berkeley. Berkeley is the only one that I think would be really competitive to get into. As for UCLA, it gets overshadowed by Berkeley. I understand though that it's really prestigious in Cali though. As for UVA, if you mentioned to someone from a state like mine (Missouri), they'd have to ask you what you mean. That's true because I had to ask someone where UVA was. just my two cents It's just Berkeley, select privates, and whatever the big state school is in your state area that carry loads of prestige.

[fortissimo]

In my head it's Berkeley, UVA, UCLA, Michigan in that order, but I'm not sure why I think that.

USNews? That's exactly what the rankings are now.

When I applied for undergrad it was Berkeley, Michigan, UVA, UCLA.

[whitman]

Maybe it's just because I'm from the south, but I didn't even consider Michigan because if I was going public, I wanted either UVA or UNC. Michigan seemed a step below (I know US News says otherwise.) So to the person that said it's regional perception, I suppose you're right.

[Unemployed]

LOL at the blue collared public school kids duking it out. I don't know about the quality of my education, but at least my parents paid a lot of money for it so it's got to be prestigious.

[crackberry]

Maybe it's just because I'm from the south, but I didn't even consider Michigan because if I was going public, I wanted either UVA or UNC. Michigan seemed a step below (I know US News says otherwise.) So to the person that said it's regional perception, I suppose you're right.

I have no doubt that in the South, UNC and UVA are considered the top publics, but if we were to try to look at this from a region-neutral perspective, I think UNC is a step below the other four.