CLASS OF 2019! MEDIANS (LSAT/GPA/CLASS SIZE) Forum

[Huskies13!]

Buffalo:
141(0)
150(-1)/154/157
3.13(-.08)/3.42(-.02)/3.71(+.05)
http://www.law.buffalo.edu/admissions/classProfile.html

[Huskies13!]

Seton Hall:
151(0)
153/156/159
3.11(-.01)/3.41(-.01)/3.68
http://law.shu.edu/ProspectiveStudents/ ... rofile.cfm

[Huskies13!]

Cumberland:
https://www.samford.edu/cumberlandlaw/n ... ss-of-2019
149(-1)
152(+1)
3.31(+.08)

[Huskies13!]

USD:
https://www.sandiego.edu/law/admissions ... istics.php
192(-69)
154(-2)/158(-1)/160(-1)
3.19/3.51(-.01)/3.67(+.04)

[theconsigliere]

USD:
https://www.sandiego.edu/law/admissions ... istics.php
192(-69)
154(-2)/158(-1)/160(-1)
3.19/3.51(-.01)/3.67(+.04)

probably the most brutal so far

[34iplaw]

Duke (more info) (last I saw was medians only)

Median GPA: 3.76
GPA 25/75 percentiles: 3.58/3.83
Median LSAT: 169
LSAT 25/75 percentiles: 167/170

[proteinshake]

Duke (more info) (last I saw was medians only)

Median GPA: 3.76
GPA 25/75 percentiles: 3.58/3.83
Median LSAT: 169
LSAT 25/75 percentiles: 167/170

this was posted a while ago

[34iplaw]

Duke (more info) (last I saw was medians only)

Median GPA: 3.76
GPA 25/75 percentiles: 3.58/3.83
Median LSAT: 169
LSAT 25/75 percentiles: 167/170

this was posted a while ago

My bad - I thought it was just the medians that were posted!

[HmmmOkay]

I wouldn't expect a school that raised class size to increase its median LSAT, but when there's 13% more 170+ scorers and 25% more 175+ scorers, AND it decreases class size, there seems little reason to praise holding a 169.

So is every T14 that doesn't increase its class size supposed to have a median of at least 170? Or is it just schools that previously had a 169 that get the ouch?

[Huskies13!]

Widener (Delaware):
http://delawarelaw.widener.edu/prospect ... -schedule/
165 (+11)
146 (-1)/148(-1)/151(+1)
2.86(+.12)/3.08(-.01)/3.36(-.12)

[eagle2a]

Widener (Delaware):
http://delawarelaw.widener.edu/prospect ... -schedule/
165 (+11)
146 (-1)/148(-1)/151(+1)
2.86(+.12)/3.08(-.01)/3.36(-.12)

Jeez, no shame

[Bach-City]

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[Thomas Hagan, ESQ.]

Does anyone have stats on NYU? Their orientation started yesterday...

Didn't remember to write down the complete stats, but NYU was 171/169/16?(think it was 166), 3.8 median GPA and 432 class size. Essentially like no change from last year.

That's surprising. It'll be interesting is Columbia can get back up to its norm of 172. Put some separation between the two. I got the vibe on my admitted students event (I'm at Columbia now) that CLS adcomms are annoyed at having to compete with NYU on a more or less equal playing field.

Yeah, that's the vibe I've also been getting from CLS students about AdComm. Seems like they're annoyed that they're the uptown, corporate, ivy league counterpart to the downtown, more public interest-oriented, and arguably "better situated in terms of location," NYU. Also heard a lot of times accepted students use one of the two as bargaining chip for the other in terms of scholarship. Definitely wasn't as prevalent a couple of years ago.

Very interesting..

[proteinshake]

Does anyone have stats on NYU? Their orientation started yesterday...

Didn't remember to write down the complete stats, but NYU was 171/169/16?(think it was 166), 3.8 median GPA and 432 class size. Essentially like no change from last year.

That's surprising. It'll be interesting is Columbia can get back up to its norm of 172. Put some separation between the two. I got the vibe on my admitted students event (I'm at Columbia now) that CLS adcomms are annoyed at having to compete with NYU on a more or less equal playing field.

Yeah, that's the vibe I've also been getting from CLS students about AdComm. Seems like they're annoyed that they're the uptown, corporate, ivy league counterpart to the downtown, more public interest-oriented, and arguably "better situated in terms of location," NYU. Also heard a lot of times accepted students use one of the two as bargaining chip for the other in terms of scholarship. Definitely wasn't as prevalent a couple of years ago.

Very interesting..

interesting, most people nowadays (myself included) probably see CLS and NYU as pretty much being on the same level.

[thereelfeels]

No numbers yet, but vague evidence that Pitt will hold LSAT median with slight raise in GPA median: http://law.pitt.edu/sites/default/files ... tter16.pdf

Also have heard anecdotally that the class size will be around ~140, which is a hold or slight raise from last year's ~135.

[JG820]

Does anyone have stats on NYU? Their orientation started yesterday...

Didn't remember to write down the complete stats, but NYU was 171/169/16?(think it was 166), 3.8 median GPA and 432 class size. Essentially like no change from last year.

That's surprising. It'll be interesting is Columbia can get back up to its norm of 172. Put some separation between the two. I got the vibe on my admitted students event (I'm at Columbia now) that CLS adcomms are annoyed at having to compete with NYU on a more or less equal playing field.

Yeah, that's the vibe I've also been getting from CLS students about AdComm. Seems like they're annoyed that they're the uptown, corporate, ivy league counterpart to the downtown, more public interest-oriented, and arguably "better situated in terms of location," NYU. Also heard a lot of times accepted students use one of the two as bargaining chip for the other in terms of scholarship. Definitely wasn't as prevalent a couple of years ago.

Very interesting..

Not to get off topic but I don't think there's anywhere close to an argument there.

[Thomas Hagan, ESQ.]

Does anyone have stats on NYU? Their orientation started yesterday...

Didn't remember to write down the complete stats, but NYU was 171/169/16?(think it was 166), 3.8 median GPA and 432 class size. Essentially like no change from last year.

That's surprising. It'll be interesting is Columbia can get back up to its norm of 172. Put some separation between the two. I got the vibe on my admitted students event (I'm at Columbia now) that CLS adcomms are annoyed at having to compete with NYU on a more or less equal playing field.

Yeah, that's the vibe I've also been getting from CLS students about AdComm. Seems like they're annoyed that they're the uptown, corporate, ivy league counterpart to the downtown, more public interest-oriented, and arguably "better situated in terms of location," NYU. Also heard a lot of times accepted students use one of the two as bargaining chip for the other in terms of scholarship. Definitely wasn't as prevalent a couple of years ago.

Very interesting..

Not to get off topic but I don't think there's anywhere close to an argument there.

As an NYU alumnus, I completely agree

But I've actually heard of some people saying that they prefer Columbia's sort of "tucked-away-but-still-nyc" feel as opposed to being in the middle of it all at NYU (even though Greenwich village can be quiet and peaceful). Didn't want to start WWIII with those folk lol

[vcap180]

No numbers yet, but vague evidence that Pitt will hold LSAT median with slight raise in GPA median: http://law.pitt.edu/sites/default/files ... tter16.pdf

Also have heard anecdotally that the class size will be around ~140, which is a hold or slight raise from last year's ~135.

The employment stats in that link you posted are quite interesting. Is Pitt on the rise or are they just spinning data?

[vcap180]

Does anyone have stats on NYU? Their orientation started yesterday...

Didn't remember to write down the complete stats, but NYU was 171/169/16?(think it was 166), 3.8 median GPA and 432 class size. Essentially like no change from last year.

That's surprising. It'll be interesting is Columbia can get back up to its norm of 172. Put some separation between the two. I got the vibe on my admitted students event (I'm at Columbia now) that CLS adcomms are annoyed at having to compete with NYU on a more or less equal playing field.

Yeah, that's the vibe I've also been getting from CLS students about AdComm. Seems like they're annoyed that they're the uptown, corporate, ivy league counterpart to the downtown, more public interest-oriented, and arguably "better situated in terms of location," NYU. Also heard a lot of times accepted students use one of the two as bargaining chip for the other in terms of scholarship. Definitely wasn't as prevalent a couple of years ago.

Very interesting..

interesting, most people nowadays (myself included) probably see CLS and NYU as pretty much being on the same level.

In terms of prestige, I don't distinguish between the two.

[catcachoo]

according to Vanderbilt Class of 2019 thread:

"Can't remember all of it, but I think LSAT was 162/167/168 and the class size is 204. Don't remember the gpa stuff"

"I know 25th for GPA was exactly 3.500. I think 75th was like 3.8something? Don't remember the median. Agree with Abyss on the LSAT and size stats."

"There were 162 students in last year's class (162 students: http://law.vanderbilt.edu/prospective-s ... rofile.php). Going up to 204 is a 26% increase."

so they increased class size by 26% and their LSAT by 1 point.

I noticed that UCLA's median GPA is a little bit higher than Vanderbilt's (3.74 versus 3.70). UCLA also increased their LSAT 25th percentile by 1 point and it's higher than Vanderbilt's (163 versus 162). https://law.ucla.edu/admissions/class-profile/

[proteinshake]

posted this in another thread but I'll post it here as well: how differently do schools view applicants with an upper 3.7x GPA vs a lower 3.8x? Is there a substantial difference between, say, a 3.77 and 3.81 (kind of like a 169 --> 170 LSAT). seems like schools really like applicants with a 3.8+ but idk.

[thereelfeels]

No numbers yet, but vague evidence that Pitt will hold LSAT median with slight raise in GPA median: http://law.pitt.edu/sites/default/files ... tter16.pdf

Also have heard anecdotally that the class size will be around ~140, which is a hold or slight raise from last year's ~135.

The employment stats in that link you posted are quite interesting. Is Pitt on the rise or are they just spinning data?

Not to run too far off topic, but from looking at the numbers it seems like a bit of both. The figures quoted in that letter seem to lump in Pitt's relatively new emphasis on helping grads who can't get bar-passage jobs secure JD Advantage jobs (career services hired a guy a few years ago who exclusively works with JD Advantage employers) as well as the fact that 10% of the class of 2015 took clerkship jobs in county courts in Western PA or in the state appellate court system. They also don't do many (if any) school-funded jobs, so I do think some of those numbers are painted excessively favorably when compared to schools with huge school-funded numbers or who don't encourage grads to take JDA positions if they can't find attorney jobs.

Pitt's always performed pretty well in Pittsburgh in top-end Pittsburgh biglaw and even some into Philadelphia biglaw, but I don't see a huge increase in placing grads into BL or fed clerkships - that number has been between 10-15% for the past few years and while it might tick up slightly with smaller class sizes, I don't see a huge increase in Pitt grads getting employment in fed clerkships or big law out of PA. For a lot of Pitt grads, though, sticking in Pittsburgh or in Pennsylvania generally is a fine outcome, and in that sense it's the same school it's always been and not really "on the rise" in the way you're referring to nationally.

That being said, I've heard over the years that the biggest reason for the disparity between Pitt's USN reputation score (it's usually ranked around 50th with employers and attorneys) and its lower overall US News ranking is primarily due to its lower expenditures/student score relative to other similar schools, but that's only what I've heard.

[Thomas Hagan, ESQ.]

posted this in another thread but I'll post it here as well: how differently do schools view applicants with an upper 3.7x GPA vs a lower 3.8x? Is there a substantial difference between, say, a 3.77 and 3.81 (kind of like a 169 --> 170 LSAT). seems like schools really like applicants with a 3.8+ but idk.

IMO I feel like schools would care more about whether you're median or >75% rather than the numbers themselves. Sure, having a higher GPA is obviously better, but I feel like the emphasis is placed more on the quartiles (whether you're above or below). Schools like Columbia, where the median is 3.7 and the 75th is 3.81, I'm sure that a GPA above the 75th will make you a SIGNIFICANTLY more attractive candidate than if you were below the 75th (barring that you don't have an abysmal LSAT).

I know someone that was accepted to Penn that had an LSAT at the 25th but GPA above 75th (non-URM). Not sure if she could've done it if her GPA wasn't above the 75th, but who knows?

Just my 2 cents.

[poptart123]

Also curious about GPAs. I see them shift a little bit every year, so what constitutes median GPA? Is it (Say for Vandy) 3.74 +/- .02 or so?

[playersball]

I believe it is the median GPA of the enrolled class when sorted from lowest to highest- so it is literally the 50th percentile/median by definition