ITT: New School Medians Revealed Forum

[KevinP]

I just called Cornell and they said incoming 2011 medians are

168 (no change)
3.66 (3.70)

you can call to confirm if you want

So that's a .04 drop in GPA. How I feel right now:

[Robespierre]

Temple Law (per their website)
Entering 2011 class
#s in parenthesis were last year's figures

GPA
25th: 3.16 (3.2)
Median: 3.39 (3.44)
75th: 3.56 (3.6)

LSAT
25th: 158 (159)
Median: 160 (161)
75th: 163 (164)

Source: http://www.law.temple.edu/Pages/Prospec ... _Clas.aspx

Whoa, huge class reduction, from 326 to 270.

EDIT: Oops, sorry, Kevin beat me to it.

[minnbills]

Sweet, I'm only about .2 from Cornell's GPA median!

Still a WL probs but it makes me feel better.

[KevinP]

Sweet, I'm only about .2 from Cornell's GPA median!

Still a WL probs but it makes me feel better.

Potentially, but at least your chances of getting in slightly increased! I'm really happy because I just went from being below Cornell's GPA median to being above it. Strange, I really hope you aren't trolling us.

[minnbills]

Sweet, I'm only about .2 from Cornell's GPA median!

Still a WL probs but it makes me feel better.

Potentially, but at least your chances of getting in slightly increased! I'm really happy because I just went from being below Cornell's GPA median to being above it. Strange, I really hope you aren't trolling us.

Yeah that would be so cold hearted...

Hopefully the adcomm gods at Cornell smile on upward GPA trends this year... a guy can dream!

[confusedlaw]

cornells medians still scare me -1 on lsat median but now i am above the gpa median by .04 damn

[minnbills]

cornells medians still scare me -1 on lsat median but now i am above the gpa median by .04 damn

I would rather be in your shoes than mine, 168 3.44

[confusedlaw]

eh lsat is king

[Strange]

Call them yourselves tomorrow if you dont believe me.

[Kabuo]

It really bothers me when schools that waitlisted me post falling medians. Hello! I'm that >3.0 splitter that would have paid sticker!

[avemundi]

Btw, is it normal for a school's median to be the same as its 75% number? Gawwdd, Penn, why'd you have to jump a number

[Bildungsroman]

Btw, is it normal for a school's median to be the same as its 75% number? Gawwdd, Penn, why'd you have to jump a number

It can happen. Cornell, for example, had for its entering class in 2010 a 168 median and a 168 75th percentile. I think most schools have a broader LSAT range though.

[Tiago Splitter]

Btw, is it normal for a school's median to be the same as its 75% number? Gawwdd, Penn, why'd you have to jump a number

Relax. There are only so many 171s to go around. I'd be willing to bet that within 10 students below the median the number is down to 170, and then it falls off quickly from there (to 166 at the 25th). If they are really at 166/171/171 and apps continue to decline, they could very easily end up back at 170 next year.

[minnbills]

Minnesota just posted:

158-167-167
3.42-3.8-3.9

EDIT: class size 245, not sure what it was last year

[Jack Smirks]

Minnesota just posted: 158-167-167

LOL @ their 25th.

[minnbills]

Minnesota just posted: 158-167-167

LOL @ their 25th.

Yeah but a median GPA of 3.8 is pretty impressive. I wonder how much of the class is made up of splitters and reverse splitters?

[Tiago Splitter]

Minnesota just posted: 158-167-167

LOL @ their 25th.

Yeah but a median GPA of 3.8 is pretty impressive. I wonder how much of the class is made up of splitters and reverse splitters?

A very large part of it. Only way to get those kinds of numbers.

[minnbills]

Yeah, a 25th of 158 is not good for a T20. I think the job market and the poor biglaw presence in MN has really hurt them.

[Tiago Splitter]

They were 159 last year I believe. Is there any kind of in state quota?

[minnbills]

They were 159 last year I believe. Is there any kind of in state quota?

I think there might be, I remember hearing something about the legislature requiring a certian in-state presence to maintain funding. I do know in-staters have an advantage.

All of the highly qualified minnesotans I know (170+ 3.7+) leave for T14s too.

[KevinP]

To be honest, and assuming Cornell did experience a .04 drop in GPA, I'm kind of worried about Cornell's spot in the T14 since some of these lower ranked schools are overpassing it numbers-wise. Then again, a majority of the lower-ranked schools maintained or boosted their medians mostly by decreasing the incoming class size. I'd like to see them try that again this year.

Btw, is it normal for a school's median to be the same as its 75% number? Gawwdd, Penn, why'd you have to jump a number

It can happen. Cornell, for example, had for its entering class in 2010 a 168 median and a 168 75th percentile. I think most schools have a broader LSAT range though.

I'm guessing you're going off the initial data Cornell released since Cornell initially posted a 168 for its 75th percentile but then revised it to a 169 and currently both the ABA profile and U.S. News reflect the 169 as the 75th percentile.

ETA: Just realized Cornell still lists a median of 3.7 while listing a 168 as the 75th percentile. According to U.S. News and the ABA guide, Cornell's median GPA is 3.68 while its 75th percentile LSAT is a 169.

[KevinP]

Minnesota just posted:

158-167-167
3.42-3.8-3.9

EDIT: class size 245, not sure what it was last year

Last year's entering class size was 260 which means the 245 is almost a 6% decrease. Also, massive lol @ the 158.

[Moomoo2u]

how big is the decrease in law school apps/enrollment?

goud nooze?

[Tiago Splitter]

how big is the decrease in law school apps/enrollment?

goud nooze?

I don't know, but if anyone does, it's KevinP.

[KevinP]

how big is the decrease in law school apps/enrollment?

goud nooze?

It is still too early to say in terms of enrollment, but the data released so far by schools indicates a significant drop in enrollment. As far as applicants, Fall 2010 had 87,500 applicants while Fall 2011 had 78,900 applicants, which is a 9.9% decrease. Interestingly enough, the number of LSATs administered went from 171,500 for 2009-2010 to 155,050 for 2010-2011, which is a 9.6% decrease.*

Source: http://www.lsac.org/LSACResources/Data/ ... ummary.asp

*These numbers are based on Preliminary End-of-Year and not on Final End-of-Year.

I don't know, but if anyone does, it's KevinP.

Haha, thanks for the honorable mention.