C/O 2017 Median LSAT/GPA/Class Size Forum

[BlueLotus]

Well, I think that's it. We have 6 schools with 7-point drops (but two have yet to release this year's medians), and 2 schools with 6-point drops that have yet to release 2014 stats (USF, Summit). I didn't find any other schools with 6-7 point drops that haven't yet released for this year, but I didn't look at every school, either. I mostly just used LST to search the extra scammy states like CA, FL, OH, IN, NY, and MA (these states seem to have the vast majority of scam schools, for whatever reason).

But if someone knows of another, please chime in. Otherwise, we're just waiting on Valpo, Suffolk, USF, and Summit to see if we can get an 8-point drop, or whether we have a 6, 7, or 8-way tie for the Ultra-Toilet Law School Median Drop Competition, 2014.

With Valpo's stats out and a 2-point median rise (to 145...lol), we're waiting on Suffolk's stats to determine who the biggest loser is. So far, we have 5 schools with 7-point drops, with Suffolk's 2014 medians still outstanding:

Brooklyn
American
University of the Pacific
Western New England
Suffolk (2014 medians yet to come)

We also haven't heard from any of the two schools with 6-point drops who haven't yet released their 2014 medians:

Arizona Summit
University of San Francisco

A 2-point drop this year with a Suffolk hold could give us a champion.

Dafuq is "Arizona Summit"? Is that even accredited?

Waiting anxiously for BU. Wonder if they tanked as badly as BC, medians-wise.

[should-i-do-it]

Someone should also make a list of biggest enrollment drops

[Rigo]

Someone should also make a list of biggest enrollment drops

It's called looking all the way to the right on the spreadsheet.

[JCougar]

Well, I think that's it. We have 6 schools with 7-point drops (but two have yet to release this year's medians), and 2 schools with 6-point drops that have yet to release 2014 stats (USF, Summit). I didn't find any other schools with 6-7 point drops that haven't yet released for this year, but I didn't look at every school, either. I mostly just used LST to search the extra scammy states like CA, FL, OH, IN, NY, and MA (these states seem to have the vast majority of scam schools, for whatever reason).

But if someone knows of another, please chime in. Otherwise, we're just waiting on Valpo, Suffolk, USF, and Summit to see if we can get an 8-point drop, or whether we have a 6, 7, or 8-way tie for the Ultra-Toilet Law School Median Drop Competition, 2014.

With Valpo's stats out and a 2-point median rise (to 145...lol), we're waiting on Suffolk's stats to determine who the biggest loser is. So far, we have 5 schools with 7-point drops, with Suffolk's 2014 medians still outstanding:

Brooklyn
American
University of the Pacific
Western New England
Suffolk (2014 medians yet to come)

We also haven't heard from any of the two schools with 6-point drops who haven't yet released their 2014 medians:

Arizona Summit
University of San Francisco

A 2-point drop this year with a Suffolk hold could give us a champion.

Dafuq is "Arizona Summit"? Is that even accredited?

Waiting anxiously for BU. Wonder if they tanked as bad as BC, medians-wise.

Arizona Summit, formerly known as the Phoenix School of Law, is an ABA-approved, for-profit law school that feeds on the aspirational career dreams of gullible college graduates, chews them up, and spits them out financially helpless, destitute, starving, and huddled.

[BlueLotus]

http://abovethelaw.com/2014/10/troubled ... -campuses/

Cooley just closed a campus because of sharp enrollment drops.

Guess less folks are drinking the Cooley Aid.

[chuckbass]

Blue, you seem a like you're holding onto law school quite a bit haha
Aren't you a recent grad?

[BlueLotus]

Blue, you seem a like you're holding onto law school quite a bit haha
Aren't you a recent grad?

Nope! 3LOLer here.

[Paul Campos]

Hofstra's median LSAT went from 159 in 2011 to 152 this fall, so they go into the seven-point club too.

[Rigo]

Hofstra's median LSAT went from 159 in 2011 to 152 this fall, so they go into the seven-point club too.

Surprising since TLS still has them at $160k starting salary.
All the salary talk in the articles needs to just be deleted. I've heard it touted IRL way too much.

[BlueLotus]

Hofstra's median LSAT went from 159 in 2011 to 152 this fall, so they go into the seven-point club too.

Surprising since TLS still has them at $160k starting salary.
All the salary talk in the articles needs to just be deleted. I've heard it touted IRL way too much.

Anyone who believes that stat deserves what's coming to them. In this day and age, 5 minutes of internet research will reveal that the $160K starting salary figure is absolute bullsh*t.

[Rigo]

Hofstra's median LSAT went from 159 in 2011 to 152 this fall, so they go into the seven-point club too.

Surprising since TLS still has them at $160k starting salary.
All the salary talk in the articles needs to just be deleted. I've heard it touted IRL way too much.

Anyone who believes that stat deserves what's coming to them. In this day and age, 5 minutes of internet research will reveal that the $160K starting salary figure is absolute bullsh*t.

I agree that people should do their due diligence, but TLS shouldn't make it harder or more confusing.

[chuckbass]

Blue, you seem a like you're holding onto law school quite a bit haha
Aren't you a recent grad?

Nope! 3LOLer here.

Ah ok, fair.

[JCougar]

Hofstra's median LSAT went from 159 in 2011 to 152 this fall, so they go into the seven-point club too.

Rats...I missed that. I should have suspected Hofstra being a likely contender.

[JCougar]

My search was far from methodological/systematic, so feel free to add to/correct any information I posted.

[whitespider]

Samford (Cumberland) Law

148/151/154 (0/-1/-1)
2.9/3.2/3.5 (+.02/-.05/0)

147 Enrolled (-25)

http://cumberland.samford.edu/consumer- ... enrollment

[Rigo]

Samford (Cumberland) Law

148/151/154 (0/-1/-1)
2.9/3.2/3.5 (+.02/-.05/0)

147 Enrolled (-25)

http://cumberland.samford.edu/consumer- ... enrollment

Spivey just said it was 172.

[Hand]

Samford (Cumberland) Law

148/151/154 (0/-1/-1)
2.9/3.2/3.5 (+.02/-.05/0)

147 Enrolled (-25)

http://cumberland.samford.edu/consumer- ... enrollment

Spivey just said it was 172.

[whitespider]

That's all I could find today, ugh.

Guess it's about time to print out some old 509s to compare against the impending new ones re scholly info.

[BlueLotus]

Hofstra's median LSAT went from 159 in 2011 to 152 this fall, so they go into the seven-point club too.

Surprising since TLS still has them at $160k starting salary.
All the salary talk in the articles needs to just be deleted. I've heard it touted IRL way too much.

Anyone who believes that stat deserves what's coming to them. In this day and age, 5 minutes of internet research will reveal that the $160K starting salary figure is absolute bullsh*t.

I agree that people should do their due diligence, but TLS shouldn't make it harder or more confusing.

TBF, the TLS article on HofsTTTra is pretty skeptical.

The school's claim of a median post-graduate salary of $160,000 is suspect, especially in the currently struggling economy. [...] The school claims a private sector median salary of $160,000; however, this number is based on incomplete and deceiving data. [...] For instance, the median salary of $160,000 claimed for the Class of 2007 is compiled from only 23% of the class. The data set being so small makes this information virtually useless for applicants. Combine this problem with the fact that the economy has taken a nosedive since the Class of 2008 found jobs, and it quickly becomes apparent that students cannot bank on making anywhere near the reported $160,000 median salary for private sector jobs.

[Winston1984]

Samford (Cumberland) Law

148/151/154 (0/-1/-1)
2.9/3.2/3.5 (+.02/-.05/0)

147 Enrolled (-25)

http://cumberland.samford.edu/consumer- ... enrollment

Spivey just said it was 172.

[Louis1127]

Samford (Cumberland) Law

148/151/154 (0/-1/-1)
2.9/3.2/3.5 (+.02/-.05/0)

147 Enrolled (-25)

http://cumberland.samford.edu/consumer- ... enrollment

This doesn't really matter but I think you meant to type +1 for median LSAT instead of -1.

I swear I'm not trolling, you're doing alot of good work

[whitespider]

Samford (Cumberland) Law

148/151/154 (0/-1/-1)
2.9/3.2/3.5 (+.02/-.05/0)

147 Enrolled (-25)

http://cumberland.samford.edu/consumer- ... enrollment

This doesn't really matter but I think you meant to type +1 for median LSAT instead of -1.

I swear I'm not trolling, you're doing alot of good work

Oh shit, yeah... good call.

My bad.

[TheBananaStand]

Sorry, this is in reference to Stanford increasing their LSAT to 172.

How are schools like Stanford and Columbia increasing their LSAT medians with then number of takers declining? Are these going to be the new benchmarks for them, or is this year somehow atypical?

[phillywc]

Sorry, this is in reference to Stanford increasing their LSAT to 172.

How are schools like Stanford and Columbia increasing their LSAT medians with then number of takers declining? Are these going to be the new benchmarks for them, or is this year somehow atypical?

SLS just finally focused on the LSAT. If they want to stay at 172, they can, and easily. The only need 90 172+s.

Columbia will have to fight to hold the 172 but I would expect them to for at least this year.

[Rigo]

Sorry, this is in reference to Stanford increasing their LSAT to 172.

How are schools like Stanford and Columbia increasing their LSAT medians with then number of takers declining? Are these going to be the new benchmarks for them, or is this year somehow atypical?

Number of high scoring applicants is increasing, so there's no famine at the very top schools.