2014 ATL Rankings Forum

[hashashin]

But go ahead and keep believing in Vandy. Maybe that magical $96k salary in Nashville will be uber satisfactory...cuz y'know it equals SIX HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS in New York.

[cron1834]

Lol...definitely not considered peers by Vault firms. Also, you are completely discounting Georgetown's substantial edge in BigFed, something Vandy has nothing whatsoever to substitute for. I don't think it's very controversial at all to suggest that Georgetown's total placement power in elite employment significantly exceeds Vandy's and is much closer to Cornell/NU than to Vandy and UT.

It's not controversial, because it's STRAIGHTFORWARDLY WRONG.

Dude, look at the numbers. Wtf is your deal? GULC is ~46% in BLaw+FClerk, Vandy is ~45%. Meanwhile, Cornell is ~68% and NU is ~63%. That's one year of data, but GULC hasn't been higher than that in the preceding few years. Even if you credit them for some BigFed or PI circle jerking (not totally outlandish) without somehow penalizing them for all of the fools who strike out in that regard, they're still a T14 laggard.

Look, no one's calling it the next Cooley, but it's pretty obviously below the rest of the T14. Deal with it.

[rahulg91]

Lol...definitely not considered peers by Vault firms. Also, you are completely discounting Georgetown's substantial edge in BigFed, something Vandy has nothing whatsoever to substitute for. I don't think it's very controversial at all to suggest that Georgetown's total placement power in elite employment significantly exceeds Vandy's and is much closer to Cornell/NU than to Vandy and UT.

It's not controversial, because it's STRAIGHTFORWARDLY WRONG.

Dude, look at the numbers. Wtf is your deal? GULC is ~46% in BLaw+FClerk, Vandy is ~45%. Meanwhile, Cornell is ~68% and NU is ~63%. That's one year of data, but GULC hasn't been higher than that in the preceding few years. Even if you credit them for some BigFed or PI circle jerking (not totally outlandish) without somehow penalizing them for all of the fools who strike out in that regard, they're still a T14 laggard.

Look, no one's calling it the next Cooley, but it's pretty obviously below the rest of the T14. Deal with it.

BTW what exactly is BigFed? Do a significant number of GULC grads get BigFed jobs out of LS?

[rahulg91]

But go ahead and keep believing in Vandy. Maybe that magical $96k salary in Nashville will be uber satisfactory...cuz y'know it equals SIX HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS in New York.

BTW just looked it up for funsies $96k in Nashville is roughly comparable to ~$200k in Manhattan. (http://money.cnn.com/calculator/pf/cost-of-living/)
Paying back loans on 96k would suck, but if loans are mitigated then yeah, I think it would be uber satisfactory.

[hashashin]

Dude, look at the numbers. Wtf is your deal? GULC is ~46% in BLaw+FClerk, Vandy is ~45%. Meanwhile, Cornell is ~68% and NU is ~63%. That's one year of data, but GULC hasn't been higher than that in the preceding few years. Even if you credit them for some BigFed or PI circle jerking (not totally outlandish) without somehow penalizing them for all of the fools who strike out in that regard, they're still a T14 laggard.

Look, no one's calling it the next Cooley, but it's pretty obviously below the rest of the T14. Deal with it.

Why the fuck would we penalize GULC after adding in a percentage for Bigfed/PI? It's not as if the proportion of people who did NOT get what they wanted somehow neutralizes the proportion that did.

AT MOST, according to LST, out of the 25.7% of GULC that is working in the public sector, 12.4% would be school funded. Even if we consider all the school funded PI jobs bad (even though some proportion of those are bound to be jobs on the hill/legit PI gigs that become so in a year), that leaves 13.3% Full time, JD-Required, LRAP-eligible PI. Even if GULC is putting 9% of its class in DOJ/USAtt'y/SEC Honors/PDA type gigs, that increases its proportion of decent outcomes to 55% (and that, considering GULC's location, rep in BigGov, and the fact that this is the route that a lot of Magna and cum laude people in my section are pursuing, is being pretty conservative). Obviously, its unwieldy class size did make GULC trail the other T14 in 2013, but not by nearly as much as is usually suggested (especially when the distorting effect of its part time program is taken into account wrt the high number of FTLT JD Adv jobs).

[hashashin]

But go ahead and keep believing in Vandy. Maybe that magical $96k salary in Nashville will be uber satisfactory...cuz y'know it equals SIX HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS in New York.

BTW just looked it up for funsies $96k in Nashville is roughly comparable to ~$200k in Manhattan. (http://money.cnn.com/calculator/pf/cost-of-living/)
Paying back loans on 96k would suck, but if loans are mitigated then yeah, I think it would be uber satisfactory.

WOW; money.cnn.com? Holy shit...just go ahead and cite Forbes already if we're gonna pull COL numbers out of our asses.

Yeah, I get it; I've been to Vandy's ASW too (great BBQ; just wish it hadn't been full of horseshit)...I got the spiel about how Vandy punches "above its weight" and how lower salary biglaw just means more buying power...the truth is that you'll just be making less money while billing 2100 hours.

Ever wonder why Duke never celebrates the awesomeness of Southern "Biglaw" at its ASW?

[cron1834]

GULC only had 13% non-school funded PI last year. I'm not willing to accept that the vast majority of those are prestigious Fed positions. Even if you give some credit, you have to do the same for Vandy and NU. Plus, the overall employment rate (non-school funded) at GULC is not good, and well below the rest of the T14. This is extremely dangerous at a super-expensive school in a super-expensive COL area.

Dude, any way you slice it GULC is clearly behind the rest of the T14. It's far from unreasonable to say this, and far from unreasonable to say that Vandy's 45% is within a stone's throw of GULC's 46%, even if you adjust a bit. You're obviously invested psychologically in defending your school here, which is fine, but no one else is going to see what you do.

[WokeUpInACar]

But go ahead and keep believing in Vandy. Maybe that magical $96k salary in Nashville will be uber satisfactory...cuz y'know it equals SIX HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS in New York.

BTW just looked it up for funsies $96k in Nashville is roughly comparable to ~$200k in Manhattan. (http://money.cnn.com/calculator/pf/cost-of-living/)
Paying back loans on 96k would suck, but if loans are mitigated then yeah, I think it would be uber satisfactory.

WOW; money.cnn.com? Holy shit...just go ahead and cite Forbes already if we're gonna pull COL numbers out of our asses.

Yeah, I get it; I've been to Vandy's ASW too (great BBQ; just wish it hadn't been full of horseshit)...I got the spiel about how Vandy punches "above its weight" and how lower salary biglaw just means more buying power...the truth is that you'll just be making less money while billing 2100 hours.

Ever wonder why Duke never celebrates the awesomeness of Southern "Biglaw" at its ASW?

Do you really dispute that the COL numbers there are that far off? Your crusade is rather amusing. People hate on GULC because while it's objectively better than UT and Vandy by most measures, it's clearly worse than the rest of the t14 and that is almost solely due to them being greedy assholes who refuse to reduce their ridiculous class size.

[hashashin]

But go ahead and keep believing in Vandy. Maybe that magical $96k salary in Nashville will be uber satisfactory...cuz y'know it equals SIX HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS in New York.

BTW just looked it up for funsies $96k in Nashville is roughly comparable to ~$200k in Manhattan. (http://money.cnn.com/calculator/pf/cost-of-living/)
Paying back loans on 96k would suck, but if loans are mitigated then yeah, I think it would be uber satisfactory.

WOW; money.cnn.com? Holy shit...just go ahead and cite Forbes already if we're gonna pull COL numbers out of our asses.

Yeah, I get it; I've been to Vandy's ASW too (great BBQ; just wish it hadn't been full of horseshit)...I got the spiel about how Vandy punches "above its weight" and how lower salary biglaw just means more buying power...the truth is that you'll just be making less money while billing 2100 hours.

Ever wonder why Duke never celebrates the awesomeness of Southern "Biglaw" at its ASW?

Do you really dispute that the COL numbers there are that far off? Your crusade is rather amusing. People hate on GULC because while it's objectively better than UT and Vandy by most measures, it's clearly worse than the rest of the t14 and that is almost solely due to them being greedy assholes who refuse to reduce their ridiculous class size.

As far as COL goes, yes, I think it's pretty easily disputable. One one level, there is the demonstrable attraction of people to NYC and DC Biglaw over Southern biglaw (which T14 with Southern ties would probably be able to get more easily than Vandy can); are these people all acting against their fiscal self-interest?

Second, most of these COL calculations compute the cost of housing (by far the largest proportion of the COL) as if you were going to BUY A HOUSE rather than rent. DC rent, for example, is about 1/2 as expensive as indicated in the calculator above, lower with a roommate.

[shifty_eyed]

Texas biglaw pays 160k, so.

[hashashin]

GULC only had 13% non-school funded PI last year. I'm not willing to accept that the vast majority of those are prestigious Fed positions. Even if you give some credit, you have to do the same for Vandy and NU. Plus, the overall employment rate (non-school funded) at GULC is not good, and well below the rest of the T14. This is extremely dangerous at a super-expensive school in a super-expensive COL area.

Dude, any way you slice it GULC is clearly behind the rest of the T14. It's far from unreasonable to say this, and far from unreasonable to say that Vandy's 45% is within a stone's throw of GULC's 46%, even if you adjust a bit. You're obviously invested psychologically in defending your school here, which is fine, but no one else is going to see what you do.

Taking school-funded jobs out, GULC is at 72.4%, NU at 77.4%, UVA at 79.7 and Berkeley at 78.4%. This is without taking into account FTLT JDA jobs that are not school-funded (4.9%). Adding those in, for each school, gives us 81.8% for Berkeley, 89% for NU, 81% for UVA and 77.3% for GULC. With the exception of NU, not really a huge difference (5-6%). That 4.9% of JDA jobs is most likely coming from the part-time program and connected to good government or business jobs in DC.

Also, give credit for what to Vandy? What non-biglaw, non-fedClerk desirable jobs does Vandy put people into? NU definitely has JDA jobs in Business/Industry, whereas GULC and presumably UVA have a comparable amount in Gov't. What is Vandy's special category?

[hashashin]

Texas biglaw pays 160k, so.

But does anyone below top 25% at UT actually get TX biglaw?

[03152016]

That 4.9% of JDA jobs is most likely coming from the part-time program and connected to good government or business jobs in DC.

quit talking out of your ass
no, we're not going to just assume that the JDA jobs are good outcomes
beyond anecdotes, you have no idea what those positions are
if gulc wanted to, they could pick up the phone and find out what those positions are
and include them in the aba required disclosures like stanford does

[hashashin]

That 4.9% of JDA jobs is most likely coming from the part-time program and connected to good government or business jobs in DC.

quit talking out of your ass
no, we're not going to just assume that the JDA jobs are good outcomes
beyond anecdotes, you have no idea what those positions are
if gulc wanted to, they could pick up the phone and find out what those positions are
and include them in the aba required disclosures like stanford does

OMG it's the fucking detective. Sup buddy?

[03152016]

That 4.9% of JDA jobs is most likely coming from the part-time program and connected to good government or business jobs in DC.

quit talking out of your ass
no, we're not going to just assume that the JDA jobs are good outcomes
beyond anecdotes, you have no idea what those positions are
if gulc wanted to, they could pick up the phone and find out what those positions are
and include them in the aba required disclosures like stanford does

OMG it's the fucking detective? Sup buddy?

wtf are you talking about imbecile
and why are you so insecure about your decision to attend a non-t13

[hashashin]

That 4.9% of JDA jobs is most likely coming from the part-time program and connected to good government or business jobs in DC.

quit talking out of your ass
no, we're not going to just assume that the JDA jobs are good outcomes
beyond anecdotes, you have no idea what those positions are
if gulc wanted to, they could pick up the phone and find out what those positions are
and include them in the aba required disclosures like stanford does

OMG it's the fucking detective? Sup buddy?

wtf are you talking about imbecile
and why are you so insecure about your decision to attend a non-t13

Does typing t13 always give you a boner? Or is it really at the point of anhedonia now?

[03152016]

Does typing t13 always give you a boner? Or is it really at the point of anhedonia now?

i like how now you're trying to prove that you're not an idiot
all evidence in this thread to the contrary
>notice how the imbecile can't respond to my actual point
>and resorts to a blind impotent rage
>fascinating

[03152016]

That 4.9% of JDA jobs is most likely coming from the part-time program and connected to good government or business jobs in DC.

quit talking out of your ass
no, we're not going to just assume that the JDA jobs are good outcomes
beyond anecdotes, you have no idea what those positions are
if gulc wanted to, they could pick up the phone and find out what those positions are
and include them in the aba required disclosures like stanford does

care to respond to this?
or are you just going to reply with more insults

[hashashin]

That 4.9% of JDA jobs is most likely coming from the part-time program and connected to good government or business jobs in DC.

quit talking out of your ass
no, we're not going to just assume that the JDA jobs are good outcomes
beyond anecdotes, you have no idea what those positions are
if gulc wanted to, they could pick up the phone and find out what those positions are
and include them in the aba required disclosures like stanford does

care to respond to this?
or are you just going to reply with more insults

As I understand it, 10% of GULC's class is in the part time program. Presumably, at least half of those people are working in jobs that are paying them to go to law school (otherwise, it wouldn't make very much sense). If ~5% of the class is in FTLT JDA jobs at graduation, I think it's legitimate enough to conclude that most of that is comprised by people returning to their jobs.

[hashashin]

That 4.9% of JDA jobs is most likely coming from the part-time program and connected to good government or business jobs in DC.

quit talking out of your ass
no, we're not going to just assume that the JDA jobs are good outcomes
beyond anecdotes, you have no idea what those positions are
if gulc wanted to, they could pick up the phone and find out what those positions are
and include them in the aba required disclosures like stanford does

care to respond to this?
or are you just going to reply with more insults

Now that I have replied, though, you should answer my question...do you have an erection or not?

[03152016]

That 4.9% of JDA jobs is most likely coming from the part-time program and connected to good government or business jobs in DC.

quit talking out of your ass
no, we're not going to just assume that the JDA jobs are good outcomes
beyond anecdotes, you have no idea what those positions are
if gulc wanted to, they could pick up the phone and find out what those positions are
and include them in the aba required disclosures like stanford does

care to respond to this?
or are you just going to reply with more insults

As I understand it, 10% of GULC's class is in the part time program. Presumably, at least half of those people are working in jobs that are paying them to go to law school (otherwise, it wouldn't make very much sense). If ~5% of the class is in FTLT JDA jobs at graduation, I think it's legitimate enough to conclude that most of that is comprised by people returning to their jobs.

ah got it
such is the power of gulc's part-time program that nine months after graduation
half of them are still working the jobs they had in the first place

[03152016]

Now that I have replied, though, you should answer my question...do you have an erection or not?

this isn't in reference to anyone in particular
but i think it's really sad and pathetic when people necro old threads from multiple sock puppet accounts to defend their school's middling placement record
and then when called out on their nonsensical wild-eyed claims
avoid the issue entirely and resort to impotent rageful attacks

[hashashin]

ah got it
such is the power of gulc's part-time program that nine months after graduation
half of them are still working the jobs they had in the first place

Wow...that's not even good sarcasm. About half the people in any school's PT program go to law school so that they get more money at their current jobs. That's pretty well known.

[cron1834]

Now that I have replied, though, you should answer my question...do you have an erection or not?

this isn't in reference to anyone in particular
but i think it's really sad and pathetic when people necro old threads from multiple sock puppet accounts to defend their school's middling placement record
and then when called out on their nonsensical wild-eyed claims
avoid the issue entirely and resort to impotent rageful attacks

This.

GULC is obviously below all other T14 schools in most respects, and it's not remotely debatable. They seem pretty firmly "in-between" Cornell/NU/Mich/Berk on one side and Vandy/UT on the other. Anything else is just masturbation.

And LOL at "I forgot my password bros, didn't meant to alt, didn't mean to necro, I swear I'm not an assclown,".

[hashashin]

Now that I have replied, though, you should answer my question...do you have an erection or not?

this isn't in reference to anyone in particular
but i think it's really sad and pathetic when people necro old threads from multiple sock puppet accounts to defend their school's middling placement record
and then when called out on their nonsensical wild-eyed claims
avoid the issue entirely and resort to impotent rageful attacks

Dude...you're like totally turning me on.