Law School Advertising Megathread Forum

[JamesDean1955]

^ Did not know that, but it actually kind of makes it even less impressive of a claim, if that's the typical default option.

I just saw an opportunity to hate on NJ, and went for it

[Yukos]

^ Did not know that, but it actually kind of makes it even less impressive of a claim, if that's the typical default option.

I just saw an opportunity to hate on NJ, and went for it

Yeah there's a reason why the NJ schools have gigantic state clerkship numbers compared to every other school in the country. "Tops in state/local clerkships" is the kind of TTT advertising that sounds impressive but gives you no useful information whatsoever.

[laotze]

2. I am supposed to care about non-supreme state clerkships and local clerkships, because those are desirable jobs.

TBF, people from NJ on TLS have mentioned that state clerkships are the default entry-level position there. Local firm hiring only starts after you finish your state clerkship.

I hate small public schools that advertise out of state though. I imagine it would be harder to get a state clerkship as a carpetbagger and even then, small firms are going to look at you funny. Small public law schools should focus on people who could actually get a job coming out of the school, viz. state residents.

Also TBF, Rutgers Camden has a strong reputation in the Philly area (including Camden, given that they share a public transportation system), which is a pretty substantial legal market. It may rank significantly below Temple (though no longer Villanova), but for what it's worth my impression has been that local firms and law offices hold them in similar esteem. Penn graduates have a tendency to leave for NY and DC, freeing up quite a few opportunities in an area with a population of 6.1 million.

This is hopelessly anecdotal, I know, but none of the Rutgers graduates I know have had undue difficulty finding reasonably paid local legal employment.

[JamesDean1955]

Damn, I screwed up this thread by picking the wrong school. We had a good thing going here fellas. Although I think jenesaislaw scared everyone straight .

[laotze]

Damn, I screwed up this thread by picking the wrong school.

Yeah, the popular Philly pastime is to hate on Villanova, which has a reputation for self-important blue-blooded BS. It's silly, since Villanova graduates seem every bit as down to earth as the metro school crowds at Temple or Rutgers, but it probably has more to do with their drop-dead gorgeous mainline location in the midst of one of the wealthiest White Flight havens in the tri-state area.

Their ABA scandal and subsequent rankings freefall haven't helped matters.

[BigZuck]

Damn, I screwed up this thread by picking the wrong school. We had a good thing going here fellas. Although I think jenesaislaw scared everyone straight .

Just go back and quote the letter from last cycle where Rutgers Camden was offering full rides to people who hadn't even applied yet. Thread will get back on track in no time.

[Yukos]

2. I am supposed to care about non-supreme state clerkships and local clerkships, because those are desirable jobs.

TBF, people from NJ on TLS have mentioned that state clerkships are the default entry-level position there. Local firm hiring only starts after you finish your state clerkship.

I hate small public schools that advertise out of state though. I imagine it would be harder to get a state clerkship as a carpetbagger and even then, small firms are going to look at you funny. Small public law schools should focus on people who could actually get a job coming out of the school, viz. state residents.

Also TBF, Rutgers Camden has a strong reputation in the Philly area (including Camden, given that they share a public transportation system), which is a pretty substantial legal market. It may rank significantly below Temple (though no longer Villanova), but for what it's worth my impression has been that local firms and law offices hold them in similar esteem. Penn graduates have a tendency to leave for NY and DC, freeing up quite a few opportunities in an area with a population of 6.1 million.

This is hopelessly anecdotal, I know, but none of the Rutgers graduates I know have had undue difficulty finding reasonably paid local legal employment.

RU-Camden has an OK employment score and is relatively cheap, so it's definitely not in the same league as Barry. But I'd still probably rather attend Barry because Camden is the worst place in the world.

[laotze]

But I'd still probably rather attend Barry because Camden is the worst place in the world.

True, but no one in their right mind *lives* in Camden while attending Rutgers; like Temple, it's an academic oasis surrounded by a blight sufficiently soul-crushing to put Mordor to shame. Thankfully, either campus is a 10-15 minute train ride from the loveliest portions of Center City Philly, or an even shorter trip from Olde City and Society Hill in Rutgers's case.

Hell, even Penn has historically provided the eastern border wall with the most violent and impoverished portions of West Philly, but as a student you spend probably <1% of your time even passing through those portions of the city, which are pushed further back by gentrification every day, and the campus itself is relatively crime-free.
I'm not sure it should be a big deal from a prospective student's perspective.

[bdm261]

Anyone else here get an invitation to attend the prestigious California School of Law?

Did not get into law school?

admissions@californiaschooloflaw.com <admissions@californiaschooloflaw.com> Tue, May 14, 2013 at 11:29 AM
To: bdm261
** **

Didn’t get into the law school this fall, don’t worry you are not
alone!

But it’s not too late to start law school this fall, at the
California School of Law our next semester starts in August. The
California School of Law is an excellent alternative to; giving up on
your dream, taking the LSAT again, going $100K in debt, waiting
another year, relocating or having a long commute.
** **

**Live Virtual Classrooms**

The California School of Law is an online law school with the goal of
providing an educational experience that is as close as possible to
that offered at residential law school. The classes meet each week on
Tuesday and Thursday evenings, where students can see and speak with
their professors and classmates by logging into a live video classroom
from a computer at home or work.

Classroom participation with professors obviously is an important part
of law school, but communication between students also is important.
At the California School of Law, students can form study groups to
discuss cases, trade class outlines, prep for tests, as well as make
friends and networking connections that last a lifetime.

** Tuition and Financial Aid **

Tuition is charged by the Trimester.

* One Trimester $3,000.00

* One year or Three Trimesters $9,000.00

* 4 year Juris Doctor degree $36,000.00

The California School of Law runs on trimesters, following a
traditional 15 week/4 month law school semester.

California School of Law provides students with several affordable and
attractive installment payment plans. All students enrolled in the
California School of Law will be approved for an installment loan. All
plans require some payment while attending law school. Tuition is
charged by the trimester, not the year, keeping both the principal and
interest low.

**The Application Process**

We are now accepting applications for the fall term!

If you are prepared to start law school and wish to begin the
application process, go to:

http://www.californiaschooloflaw.com/electronic-forms

In order to complete the application process, you will need to:

1. Sign the online Electronic Signature Consent Form.

2. Fill out and sign the online Official Application.

3. Pay the non-refundable application fee of $75 to the California
School of Law

4. If you are not using LSAC’s Credential Assembly Service, have
your transcripts sent from the college or university where you earned
your Baccalaureate, Associates degree:

California School of Law
5276 Hollister Ave, Suite 262
Santa Barbara, CA 93111

The next semester begins in August, 2013.

If you are interested in further information, go to
http://www.CaliforniaSchoolofLaw.com
**Contact Information

**

If you wish to discuss whether the California School of Law is right
for you, you may contact an academic counselor at 805-683-5337 or
866-970-4529. You also may reach us through email at:
admissions@californiaschooloflaw.com.

**Social Networking **

Follow us on twitter @calschooloflaw and "like us" on facebook to
receive the latest legal news and law school updates.

Sincerely,

Admissions Director

5276 Hollister Ave., Suite 262

Santa Barbara, CA 93111

805-683-5337 Fax: 805-683-5339

[nickb285]

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[PRgradBYU]

Didn’t get into the law school this fall, don’t worry you are not
alone!

But it’s not too late to start law school this fall, at the
California School of Law our next semester starts in August. The
California School of Law is an excellent alternative to; giving up on
your dream, taking the LSAT again, going $100K in debt, waiting
another year, relocating or having a long commute.

This poor grammar gave me cancer.

[justonemoregame]

Didn’t get into the law school this fall, don’t worry you are not
alone!

But it’s not too late to start law school this fall, at the
California School of Law our next semester starts in August. The
California School of Law is an excellent alternative to; giving up on
your dream, taking the LSAT again, going $100K in debt, waiting
another year, relocating or having a long commute.

This poor grammar gave me cancer.

Got Cancer?; Dont wait another year! The California School, of Law is an excellent alternative to>chemotherapy, waiting another year, or dying without your dreams?

[buddyt]

Didn’t get into the law school this fall, don’t worry you are not
alone!

But it’s not too late to start law school this fall, at the
California School of Law our next semester starts in August. The
California School of Law is an excellent alternative to; giving up on
your dream, taking the LSAT again, going $100K in debt, waiting
another year, relocating or having a long commute.

This poor grammar gave me cancer.

+1

[Micdiddy]

As a native Santa Barbarian, I'm ashamed of this school. It's more embarrassing they place themselves in SB as if to say "look at how we're living it up with your dough!"

Eta: eww, a mile away from my old high school. And they're biggest lie of all is that they are really in Goleta.

[bdm261]

As a native Santa Barbarian, I'm ashamed of this school. It's more embarrassing they place themselves in SB as if to say "look at how we're living it up with your dough!"

Eta: eww, a mile away from my old high school. And they're biggest lie of all is that they are really in Goleta.

Looks like a great school: http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/californi ... cus-732278

Also on Google maps it looks like this place is run out of someones apartment: https://www.google.com/maps?q=&layer=c& ... CC8QxB0wAA

[North]

As a native Santa Barbarian, I'm ashamed of this school. It's more embarrassing they place themselves in SB as if to say "look at how we're living it up with your dough!"

Eta: eww, a mile away from my old high school. And they're biggest lie of all is that they are really in Goleta.

Looks like a great school: http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/californi ... cus-732278

Also on Google maps it looks like this place is run out of someones apartment: https://www.google.com/maps?q=&layer=c& ... CC8QxB0wAA

Wow.

[laotze]

As a native Santa Barbarian, I'm ashamed of this school. It's more embarrassing they place themselves in SB as if to say "look at how we're living it up with your dough!"

Eta: eww, a mile away from my old high school. And they're biggest lie of all is that they are really in Goleta.

Looks like a great school: http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/californi ... cus-732278

Also on Google maps it looks like this place is run out of someones apartment: https://www.google.com/maps?q=&layer=c& ... CC8QxB0wAA

Wow.

Any relation of the (late) esteemed New College of California School of Law?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Colleg ... ool_of_Law

[TheThriller]

Just saw this when I was checking my mail

[North]

How many reasons to go to Samford?

[BigZuck]

How many reasons to go to Samford?

From left to right- 6, 7, 8, 2, 1, 5, 4, 3, 10, 9

[Ixiion]

Damn. I've just been deleting all of mine... Yep. As soon as I'm done procrastinating writing this paper, and then actually write the paper, I'll have to go back and reply to some of these.

This is great. Keep it coming.

[20141023]

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[Dr. Dre]

THe two girls on the right are pretty hawt.

[North]

THe two girls on the right are pretty hawt.

Yes. First is okay too.

[KD35]

I responded to one of Charlotte Law's phishing e-mails a while back and had this interesting conversation. I wanted to see how far they'd go to rationalize Charlotte Law as a good decision for someone with high numbers and way better options. I learned that attending Duke over Charlotte for around the same price was probably a bad decision. My favorite part is where, when explaining the costs of each school, she doesn't include cost of living in the COA for Charlotte, but does for Duke, and then points at that as a huge price difference that makes CSoL the better choice. Also, there's that 82% employment rate. I mean, you just can't trust websites like LST, can you? I couldn't do any more after that.

Hello North,

I hope you are doing well. I just wanted to follow up on the email I sent a couple of weeks ago regarding Charlotte School of Law. As a reminder, based on your 17[X] LSAT score and 3.3[X] GPA you may qualify for a $25,000 scholarship per academic year.

I also wanted to inform you that Charlotte School of Law is excited to introduce our May Advantage program, which is a unique program that offers students an opportunity to jump start their legal education by entering law school in May. You can read more about this opportunity at the following link: http://www.charlottelaw.edu/MayAdvantage.

To apply please visit LSAC at http://www.lsac.org. There is no application fee and no fee waiver is required.

Do you have any questions?

Thanks,
AdComm

AdComm, Esq.
Admissions Associate
Charlotte School of Law
2145 Suttle Avenue
Charlotte, North Carolina 28208

Hi AdComm,

I hadn't considered Charlotte School of Law -- thank you for bringing the school to my attention. That's quite a scholarship offer. In your opinion, do you think I should accept the scholarship and attend CSoL, considering that I have a 17[X] LSAT? If so, why?

Thanks,
North

Hi North,

Choosing the right law school is extremely important, so I am happy to tell you a little bit about Charlotte School of Law. Charlotte in general is a great place for anyone to make a start. It is one of the fastest growing cities in the south, with some of the largest and most successful business calling it home. Charlotte School of Law is in a great position for networking opportunities. The school has great ties with the district attorney's as well as the public defender's offices, with several students currently employed in both capacities. The school has several different student body organizations, which also host numerous networking opportunities with companies such as Bank of America, Wells Fargo, and the Charlotte Bobcats. This gives students who are not interested in pursing a line of criminal work great opportunities to network as well.

Charlotte School of Law offers full time day as well as part-time day and evening classes. The school offers summer classes as well as intercessions over winter and spring break. This will allow for an earlier completion of your law school career if you so pleased. One of the great benefits about being a relatively new law school is that our classes are taught by professors who all have strong ties to this community, as well as in the ones they may have practiced. There are so many great programs to take advantage of to compliment your JD; such as the criminal or civil advocacy certificate, mediation certificate, or even our joint JD/MBA program. All three certificate programs have separate course requirements to for fill at no additional cost to the student.

Charlotte School of Law offers a competitive learning environment. Our trial and moot court teams compete on the national level. The school has some of the greatest technology in our courtroom, classrooms, and library. Charlotte School of Law has the largest law library in the area. You will enjoy access to both law researching data bases in Lexis Nexus and Westlaw. Most students really appreciate the professor's open door policy and regular open office hours. Charlotte School of Law will be relocating for the Fall 2013 term do to the growth in numbers to the Uptown Charlotte area, which will provide for even more wonderful opportunities for the student body. The Charlotte School of Law is a student centered learning institution with bar passage and job placement as it's number one priority for its students. At Charlotte School of Law you will be more then just a LSAT score.

Please contact me with any additional questions or concerns.


Thank you,
AdComm, Esq.
Admissions Associate

Hi AdComm,

Thank you for getting back to me! Charlotte sounds like a great place! While researching CSoL, though, I learned that only 34% of graduates were employed in long term, J.D. required jobs nine months after graduation. Even after deducting the $25,000 scholarship offer, attending CSoL would put me close to $150,000 in debt. That seems very risky. Would you mind explaining why -- from a financial perspective -- I should consider attending CSoL over another North Carolina school like Duke that my 99th percentile LSAT score can get me into? Duke would cost about as much as CSoL, but 82% of their graduates were employed in long term, J.D. required jobs nine months after graduation. Do you think it would be a better financial decision to choose CSoL, given my options?

Thank you again for taking the time to give me more information -- this is a difficult decision!
North

Hi North,

Thank you for your email.

I did click on the clicks you provided in your email and I'm not sure where that site obtains it data. Be careful when obtaining information online and be sure the sources are reputable.

Charlotte School of Law has an 82.47% job placement rate. This data was taken from December 2010 to August 2011. We are working on obtain the new data to include our May and December graduates.

Our NC bar passage rate was 67.3%. The average for the entire state of NC was 80.63%

Schools like Duke, Harvard, and Yale all carry a reputation with their name. I can't say that Duke or Yale or Harvard is going to give you a better education than Charlotte Law nor will I saw Charlotte Law is going to be the better choice. That is a decision you have to make on your own. What I will do is provide you with accurate information and answer any questions you have accordingly.

When considering statistical data, it is important to understand what actually goes into the statistics. For example, if Duke has 24 students sit for the bar and all 24 pass on the first time, they can boast that they have a bar passage rate of 100%. If Charlotte Law has 250 students, for example, take the exam and only 180 pass on the first time, our rate will be about 72%. We typically have more students than Duke sit for the bar, so generally their rate will differ significantly.

When looking at job placement rates, keep in mind that not all students graduate and go on to practice law. Some students attend law school to have a degree to fall back on and never sit for a bar.

There are a lot of factors and variables that can affect statistical data.

In regards to your scholarship and debt question, Duke's tuition is about $72,621 per year (see http://law.duke.edu/admis/tuition/). Our tuition is currently, $38,606 per year (http://www.charlottelaw.edu/admissions/tuition). I'm not sure if Duke offered you a scholarship, but already their cost of attendance is $34,015 more than ours. If you receive a $25,000 scholarship with us, and please note than it is an estimate of eligibility, then you would have about $13,606 remaining for the cost of tuition. Assuming you would need to borrow addition funds for the remainder of tuition as well as living expenses, that amount may depend on your financial need. If you obtain the $20,500 from the Stafford loan, your financial need for Grad PLUS becomes significantly smaller. So, hypothetically speaking, if you had to borrow, let's say $10,000 for your Grad PLUS loan, that would be an estimated $30,000 over the entire law school education. Plus the Stafford loan, which would be an estimated total of $90,000 borrowed over the course of your 3-year education.

$90,000 is still a lot. I will admit as much. However, unless Duke is offering you enough to make up a huge difference, you will probably end up with more than the $90,000 I just estimated.

So, if you really want to make an informed financial decision, my recommendation to you would be to create a chart or spreadsheet. Include the true cost of attendance as well as any bills you may need covered. Compare the two and include any real life factors, such as gas and oil changes, etc., and see what is a better fit for you.

If there is anything else I can do to assist you, please do not hesitate to ask.


Thank you,
AdComm, Esq.
Admissions Associate

+1 to North on this. This is great. I wonder if he/she really is that shady or if he/she merely does not have the intelligence to realize what you're saying.