C/O 2017 Median LSAT/GPA/Class Size Forum

[ManoftheHour]

.net
lol

If that's not TTT, then I don't know what is.

[WichitaShocker]

.net
lol

hahahahahaha I did not even notice that. This is my favorite part:

"NSL students have been very successful in recent years in passing the Tennessee Bar Examination. 61% of the 2012 graduates taking the bar exam have passed."

[Moneytrees]

.net
lol

hahahahahaha I did not even notice that. This is my favorite part:

"NSL students have been very successful in recent years in passing the Tennessee Bar Examination. 61% of the 2012 graduates taking the bar exam have passed."

God, that's such garbage. 40% of students work their butt off in law school for 3 years only to fail the bar exam and never work as attorneys, while the "lucky" 60% will struggle with employment and most likely never find a jd-required job.

[Monochromatic Oeuvre]

So in some threads TLS points and laughs at a school charging $5,760 for a four-year night program (in which students presumably graduate with very little, if any, debt) catering to students who don't want anything more than the chance to take the bar and try to get a shitlaw job in Tennessee.

And in other threads it seriously debates going to Fordham and Hastings. Got it.

[Moneytrees]

You make a valid point. It remains to be said that if a school proudly touts its 60% bar passage rate in an attempt to recruit students, it probably is going to be criticized on TLS.

[I'm Feeling This]

The Dean of NSL is named Joe Loser (http://www.nashvilleschooloflaw.net/deans-message.php)

Seems fitting.

[Huskies13!]

This is on par with Alaska law school:
"Until November, 1986, the school operated as the Nashville Y.M.C.A. Night Law School leasing space from the Downtown Y.M.C.A. "
http://www.nashvilleschooloflaw.net/about.php

[03152016]

this is why this thread is so great
ttts are a comedy goldmine

[xylocarp]

this is why this thread is so great
ttts are a comedy goldmine

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 0&t=236708

[stellina]

You make a valid point. It remains to be said that if a school proudly touts its 60% bar passage rate in an attempt to recruit students, it probably is going to be criticized on TLS.

You're missing the point. At a school that charges negligible tuition and doesn't really incur opportunity costs, a 60% bpr is fine.

[JCougar]

Yeah, I'd have to defend Nashville SOL, too. If that's how little it's charging, there's a lot of US News tier 1 law schools that are far more TTT than it.

The bottom line is that you don't need a university and a fancy, expensive building to educate law students. You need a rehabed warehouse, a few light bulbs, and access to Google Scholar. 90% of the content of your $200 casebooks is available for free and is public record. There's nothing unique, intelligent, or innovative about teaching law. You just read stuff that is available for free for 3 years.

It goes to show you just how shitty the legal curriculum is in its current state if a school like Nashville can teach out of a YMCA and still get 60% of the people to pass the bar, and charge a couple thousand dollars a year. That's not much worse than quite a few full-campus schools with major universities attached. The bottom line is that law could be taught just as easily out of a community college. Any tuition you're paying over $5000 per year anywhere is a complete waste of money.

[stellina]

The issue isn't that people without the ability to crack 165 on the LSAT shouldn't have the opportunity to try to become a lawyer. The issue is that places like TJSL prey on those students who are less likely to succeed and saddle them with insane amounts of debt. A place that only charges $20k total for the degree and doesn't require you to quit your job is exactly what TLS should want for these kinds of students.

[stellina]

Sidenote: just looked at TJSL's 509. In 2011, 64/175 passed the CA bar. That's 37%. Sure, it's the CA bar, but.. jesus.

[isuperserial]

Sidenote: just looked at TJSL's 509. In 2011, 64/175 passed the CA bar. That's 37%. Sure, it's the CA bar, but.. jesus.

I just threw up in my mouth a little bit...

[03152016]

re: nashvillve

no employment disclosures
no lt/ft/jd numbers
no short-term/part-time/non-pro/unemployed numbers
no bl+fc (lol)
it's a black box

there is no way i could ever recommend a school that didn't disclose employment outcomes

e: i do understand what's being argued above after cougar's edit
but the lack of disclosures still cements this school's tttt status in my mind

[JCougar]

re: nashvillve

no employment disclosures
no lt/ft/jd numbers
no short-term/part-time/non-pro/unemployed numbers
no bl+fc (lol)
it's a black box

there is no way i could ever recommend a school that didn't disclose employment outcomes

e: i do understand what's being argued above
but the lack of disclosures cements this school's tttt status in my mind

Oh, it's still TTT, because there's already too many lawyers no matter what.

The point is that about 185 of the 200 ABA accredited law schools should be following their business model. Actually, probably all of them should.

No one would be complaining that law school is a scam even if only 50% of graduates became lawyers--if a sticker-price law degree cost $20,000.

[McAvoy]

It's not the biggest TTT in Nashville, that's for sure.

[stellina]

Not arguing its TTTT status.

But I'd for sure recommend it to someone in the Nashville area who can't get into Vandy or UTK but really wants to be a lawyer. $20k spread out over 4 years while also working is a totally acceptable cost to pursue that dream, even if you don't know what the employment success rate is.

It's fine for a law school to cater to a more disadvantaged demographic. This isn't medicine, no one's going to die if the lawyer you hire sucks.

[McAvoy]

This isn't medicine, no one's going to die if the lawyer you hire sucks.

Yeah let's get a bunch of dumb-as-shit prosecutors in the deep south and see how that works out

[stellina]

Also note that failure to find immediate legal employment after graduation isn't as big a deal at NSOL because, unlike full-time programs, you not only already have a job but also don't have a 3 year employment gap.

The absolute worst that can happen is your bank account is $20k lower and you read one too many casebooks at night instead of chilling with your bros.

If you're not willing to spend $20k to pursue what is to many (oddly) a lifetime dream.. I dunno, that sounds sad.

[stellina]

This isn't medicine, no one's going to die if the lawyer you hire sucks.

Yeah let's get a bunch of dumb-as-shit prosecutors in the deep south and see how that works out

So many vacant prosecutor jobs that the dregs of NSOL are going to swoop in and fill them? Tell that to the hordes of employed UTK grads.

[McAvoy]

This isn't medicine, no one's going to die if the lawyer you hire sucks.

Yeah let's get a bunch of dumb-as-shit prosecutors in the deep south and see how that works out

So many vacant prosecutor jobs that the dregs of NSOL are going to swoop in and fill them? Tell that to the hordes of employed UTK grads.

Wasn't saying NSOL in particular was saying that what I quoted was stupid.

[03152016]

Not arguing its TTTT status.

But I'd for sure recommend it to someone in the Nashville area who can't get into Vandy or UTK but really wants to be a lawyer. $20k spread out over 4 years while also working is a totally acceptable cost to pursue that dream, even if you don't know what the employment success rate is.

It's fine for a law school to cater to a more disadvantaged demographic. This isn't medicine, no one's going to die if the lawyer you hire sucks.

it's almost $30k actually
tuition goes up 4L year
+ books
+ possible loan fees/interest

[stellina]

This isn't medicine, no one's going to die if the lawyer you hire sucks.

Yeah let's get a bunch of dumb-as-shit prosecutors in the deep south and see how that works out

So many vacant prosecutor jobs that the dregs of NSOL are going to swoop in and fill them? Tell that to the hordes of employed UTK grads.

Wasn't saying NSOL in particular was saying that what I quoted was stupid.

But the point is that a desired job with real authority like a prosecutor is going to be filled (and is already filled) by an at least semi-competent person.

Someone who is truly dumb-as-shit but somehow manages to pass the bar is going to be stuck hanging a shingle.

[Callsam]

Any ideas when UIUC will release medians?