C/O 2017 Median LSAT/GPA/Class Size Forum

[WichitaShocker]

Is this thread still about medians?


Seattle U

First-year class 2014
First Year Enrollment 227 students (196 full-time and 31 part-time ) (-2)
75th Percentile LSAT Score 157
50th Percentile LSAT Score 154 (-2)
25th Percentile LSAT Score 151
75th Percentile GPA 3.498
50th Percentile GPA 3.28
25th Percentile GPA 3.05

God is good! There are still medians in the world!

[WichitaShocker]

Sandra Day O'Conner Arizona State Law

LSAT: 158(0),162(0),163(-1)
GPA: 3.37(+.04),3.61(+.07),3.78(+.07)

No class size, but impressive hold.

http://www.law.asu.edu/admissions/Admis ... gures.aspx

[Creditisgood]

Uni of Mississippi
Class of 2014
Number Who Enrolled: 128 (+11)

Median LSAT: 155 (0)
75th Percentile: 156
25th Percentile: 151
Median GPA: 3.47
75th Percentile: 3.66
25th Percentile: 3.20

[chuckbass]

MEDIAN MONDAY

[Creditisgood]

St John U
Will move from TTT to TT
The Fall 2014 class consists of 215 students. (-48)
The median LSAT and GPA Fall 2014 entering class for all programs is 157 (+1)and 3.45 respectively.

[Monochromatic Oeuvre]

The LSAT median gap between the T14 and everyone else, which has been growing steadily since USNWR came out, is at another all-time high. T14s took more gains in the boom years and now have clearly taken fewer losses.

T14 medians are up about 2.5 points on average from the early '90s but the average T1 median hasn't even budged.

How do the T14 75/25 numbers look compared to the early 90s? I would guess the 25% has dropped, meaning more median gaming is going on but the overall class credentials have dropped. Did any T-14's have 25% LSAT numbers as low as 162 back then?

This s just a hunch, I have not done an analysis.

In 1993 UVA had a median of 164 and Northwestern had a median of 163, so the 25ths were almost certainly that low (although I've never seen them). Berkeley and Duke both had 25ths of 162 as of 2003.

AFAIK median gaming only really became a thing in about 2004 or 2005, but T14 medians had been rising since the '90s regardless. Also remember that half of the T14 doesn't game medians and a whole bunch of T1 schools do, so it wouldn't suffice to explain the increasing gap. Median gaming has much less to do with that than the implementation of the USNWR rankings.

[shifty_eyed]

Retakers/reporting highest LSAT score.

Also I'm having deja vu regarding this discussion.

[Monochromatic Oeuvre]

Retakers/reporting highest LSAT score.

Also I'm having deja vu regarding this discussion.

Probably because you were involved in this thread.

Where I noted:

Between c/o 2009 (old reporting system) and c/0 2010 (new system), average median LSAT at the T14 rose 0.43 points--not a big factor in comparison to the much larger rise that occurred naturally as a result of other factors. Median LSAT had long been rising at the T14 well before the new reporting policy.

[BlueLotus]

will decreasing medians and a sink in the rankings affect how employers see my school? (BC)

[Moneytrees]

will decreasing medians and a sink in the rankings affect how employers see my school? (BC)

Not in the short term.

[JCougar]

The LSAT median gap between the T14 and everyone else, which has been growing steadily since USNWR came out, is at another all-time high. T14s took more gains in the boom years and now have clearly taken fewer losses.

T14 medians are up about 2.5 points on average from the early '90s but the average T1 median hasn't even budged.

How do the T14 75/25 numbers look compared to the early 90s? I would guess the 25% has dropped, meaning more median gaming is going on but the overall class credentials have dropped. Did any T-14's have 25% LSAT numbers as low as 162 back then?

This s just a hunch, I have not done an analysis.

In 1993 UVA had a median of 164 and Northwestern had a median of 163, so the 25ths were almost certainly that low (although I've never seen them). Berkeley and Duke both had 25ths of 162 as of 2003.

AFAIK median gaming only really became a thing in about 2004 or 2005, but T14 medians had been rising since the '90s regardless. Also remember that half of the T14 doesn't game medians and a whole bunch of T1 schools do, so it wouldn't suffice to explain the increasing gap. Median gaming has much less to do with that than the implementation of the USNWR rankings.

Probably has to do with the increasing pay gap between Biglaw and shitlaw, and the fact that you needed a T14 degree for Biglaw. More top applicants were, instead of saying "screw that private expensive school on the East Coast, I'm going to State U.," saying "I need to attend this place to get a high-paying job." Before the 90's, Biglaw only paid marginally higher than the average law job, so most people weren't that motivated to move across the country to get it.

Thus, though they weren't median-gaming by enticing splitters with scholarships, they were likely getting a lot more people with top numbers to apply, and therefore could be more selective.

[JCougar]

Retakers/reporting highest LSAT score.

Also I'm having deja vu regarding this discussion.

That's another good point.

[Username123]

University of Miami -- http://www.law.miami.edu/prospective-st ... s.php?op=4

2013 LSAT: 155-157-160
2014 LSAT: 155-157-160 (+0, +0, +0)

2013 GPA: 3.14-3.38-3.58
2014 GPA: 3.19-3.42-3.63 (+.05, +.04, +.05)

2013 Class Size: 311 1Ls
2014 Class Size: 246 1Ls, *including transfers from LLM program (-65)

[LurkerShirker]

University of Miami -- http://www.law.miami.edu/prospective-st ... s.php?op=4

2013 LSAT: 155-157-160
2014 LSAT: 155-157-160 (+0, +0, +0)

2013 GPA: 3.14-3.38-3.58
2014 GPA: 3.19-3.42-3.63 (+.05, +.04, +.05)

2013 Class Size: 311 1Ls
2014 Class Size: 246 1Ls, *including transfers from LLM program (-65)

Just trying to understand the statement on transfers and how they are counted. Does this mean the school admits people to an LLM program (and then does not count their LSAT or GPA because they are LLMs), and then transfers them to the JD program, where their LSAT and GPA are again not counted because now they are transfers? Is that a new loophole? http://www.law.miami.edu/international- ... rogram.php

[Moneytrees]

University of Miami -- <a class="vglnk" title="Link added by VigLink" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.law.miami.edu/prospective-st ... </span></a>

2013 LSAT: 155-157-160
2014 LSAT: 155-157-160 (+0, +0, +0)

2013 GPA: 3.14-3.38-3.58
2014 GPA: 3.19-3.42-3.63 (+.05, +.04, +.05)

2013 Class Size: 311 1Ls
2014 Class Size: 246 1Ls, *including transfers from LLM program (-65)

It's nice to see a school cut its class size in favor of preserving its medians. Hastings what up?

[Username123]

University of Miami -- http://www.law.miami.edu/prospective-st ... s.php?op=4

2013 LSAT: 155-157-160
2014 LSAT: 155-157-160 (+0, +0, +0)

2013 GPA: 3.14-3.38-3.58
2014 GPA: 3.19-3.42-3.63 (+.05, +.04, +.05)

2013 Class Size: 311 1Ls
2014 Class Size: 246 1Ls, *including transfers from LLM program (-65)

Just trying to understand the statement on transfers and how they are counted. Does this mean the school admits people to an LLM program (and then does not count their LSAT or GPA because they are LLMs), and then transfers them to the JD program, where their LSAT and GPA are again not counted because now they are transfers? Is that a new loophole? http://www.law.miami.edu/international- ... rogram.php

Seems like it, doesn't it?

[Huskies13!]

Doesn't say these are new stats--but they are much higher than last year:
Arkansas Fayetteville
156 (+2)
3.52 (+.02)
http://law.uark.edu/about/

[03152016]

LOL wait one motherfricking minute
did they average their LSAT and GPA over three years?
are those medians for all students, 1L through 3L?

[03152016]

i don't think i've seen that one before

[xylocarp]

i don't think i've seen that one before

your new avatar is confusing and I keep thinking you're some rando

[kingpin101]

Yeah I highly, highly doubt they increased their lsat median by 2.

[03152016]

i don't think i've seen that one before

your new avatar is confusing and I keep thinking you're some rando

ingrid brightens up my day
might as well get some enjoyment out of civ pro

[WichitaShocker]

Both Full time and part time are listed, but for the sake of this I will just use full time.

Stetson Law

LSAT: 152(0),155(0),157(-1)
GPA: 3.08(-.09),3.25(-.15),3.53(-.08)

Link to full and part time stats:
http://www.stetson.edu/law/about/home/profile.php

[WichitaShocker]

I could not even find this school on the spreadsheet... I figured I would post them anyways

Nashville School of Law

Median LSAT:146
Median GPA: 3.06

http://www.nashvilleschooloflaw.net/about.php

[03152016]

.net
lol