CLASS OF 2018 MEDIANS! (LSAT/GPA/Class Size) Forum

[Tiago Splitter]

I for one appreciate Cooley's efforts to give individuals from underrepresented communities a chance to move up the economic ladder and fight for social justice.

[JCougar]

I for one appreciate Cooley's efforts to give individuals from underrepresented communities a chance to move up the economic ladder and fight for social justice.

[Monochromatic Oeuvre]

The long awaited...
~*~Cooley~*~
138(-3)-141(-4)-147(-2)
2.51(-.02)-2.85(-.05)-3.19(-.09)

Class size: 448 (+3)

Holy fuck.

There's no way that dumpster fire of a school survives this. A 141 median? That's like 17th percentile. And a good proportion of those that actually manage to get good grades there will transfer out after 1L.

It's hard to imagine how anyone from that school is going to pass the bar.

I think this is the lowest median we've ever recorded, with the exception of the Puerto Rico ones (which don't really count).

I predict Cooley is still thriving in five years. Has the ABA ever actually taken action on anything besides outright fraud?

[duras92]

Why does Cooley exist?

[rpupkin]

Why does Cooley exist?

For the same reason that any business exists.

[duras92]

Why does Cooley exist?

For the same reason that any business exists.

Then cooley law school is a business and the clients are (debatably) law students?

[rpupkin]

Why does Cooley exist?

For the same reason that any business exists.

Then Cooley law school is a business and the clients are (debatably) law students?

I don't know if "clients" is the word I would use. But the customers are law students. I don't think that's really debatable.

[JCougar]

I predict Cooley is still thriving in five years. Has the ABA ever actually taken action on anything besides outright fraud?

Hard to argue that schools like Cooley, Thomas Jefferson, and the Infilaw trio aren't already committing outright fraud. TJ is ready to collapse; the students entering this year are unlikely to complete three years there. I mean, they get to discharge their loans if it collapses before they graduate, but Uncle Sam will pick up the tab.

This is the same country that has close to 0 funding for entry-level lawyers in FedGov.

We're paying off law profs at scam schools while cutting Honors programs for new attorneys. Pretty much an embezzlement/RICO scam in the broad light of day that nobody will do anything to stop.

[ihenry]

I for one appreciate Cooley's efforts to give individuals from underrepresented communities a chance to move up the economic ladder and fight for social justice.

I couldn't agree with this more if they charge a quarter of the tuition they are charging now.

They do give a chance to those who are only short of a JD degree before they can do something big though. But they are probably not socioeconomically disadvantaged minority, but the reverse.

[Monochromatic Oeuvre]

I predict Cooley is still thriving in five years. Has the ABA ever actually taken action on anything besides outright fraud?

Hard to argue that schools like Cooley, Thomas Jefferson, and the Infilaw trio aren't already committing outright fraud. TJ is ready to collapse; the students entering this year are unlikely to complete three years there. I mean, they get to discharge their loans if it collapses before they graduate, but Uncle Sam will pick up the tab.

This is the same country that has close to 0 funding for entry-level lawyers in FedGov.

We're paying off law profs at scam schools while cutting Honors programs for new attorneys. Pretty much an embezzlement/RICO scam in the broad light of day that nobody will do anything to stop.

They're not making up employment numbers or saying tuition is lower than it really is or something. It's not fraud just because an entity doesn't highlight its weaknesses, even if they're extensive. In the post-transparency climate, it's easier than ever to put two and two together, but as has been said many times, if any of these kids had the ability to recognize a shitty argument when they saw one, they'd have gotten better than a 141 on their LSAT.

[JCougar]

They are hiding the fact that there's very little chance Thomas Jefferson will survive another year, let alone the three years needed for this year's entering class to graduate. That US taxpayers are propping this school up for just enough time to allow private investors to wring a little less of a loss out of it has got to be some kind of criminal activity. Fraud, embezzlement, racketeering--or just generalized corruption. Call it whatever you want, it still should be stopped.

That money could be going to getting jobs for people who have already graduated and passed the bar.

[Tiago Splitter]

They are hiding the fact that there's very little chance Thomas Jefferson will survive another year, let alone the three years needed for this year's entering class to graduate.

I hope so but this seems too confident.

[JGMotorsport]

The ABA 509s are up!

http://www.abarequireddisclosures.org/

[JGMotorsport]

They are hiding the fact that there's very little chance Thomas Jefferson will survive another year, let alone the three years needed for this year's entering class to graduate. That US taxpayers are propping this school up for just enough time to allow private investors to wring a little less of a loss out of it has got to be some kind of criminal activity. Fraud, embezzlement, racketeering--or just generalized corruption. Call it whatever you want, it still should be stopped.

That money could be going to getting jobs for people who have already graduated and passed the bar.

Of the 235 that took the bar in California this year a total of 105 passed!

You get to go massively in debt and then graduate with a less than 1/2 chance of passing the bar for the state the school is in. That's unacceptable.

[FullRamboLSGrad]

They are hiding the fact that there's very little chance Thomas Jefferson will survive another year, let alone the three years needed for this year's entering class to graduate. That US taxpayers are propping this school up for just enough time to allow private investors to wring a little less of a loss out of it has got to be some kind of criminal activity. Fraud, embezzlement, racketeering--or just generalized corruption. Call it whatever you want, it still should be stopped.

That money could be going to getting jobs for people who have already graduated and passed the bar.

Of the 235 that took the bar in California this year a total of 105 passed!

You get to go massively in debt and then graduate with a less than 1/2 chance of passing the bar for the state the school is in. That's unacceptable.

What about Arizona Summit

For a reasonable 289k you too can graduate with a 30% chance of even passing the bar, then 1/5 chance of landing a legal-related job.

265 still matriculated to this dumpster fire.

[PeanutsNJam]

We should label and put tracking chips in these dumpster fires, finally escalating to full on gas chambers.

[reasonableperson]

The ABA 509s are up!

http://www.abarequireddisclosures.org/

Why would two people transfer from Michigan State -> Cooley?

[ms9]

Has anyone reconciled the spreadsheet with the 509s? (would be a painstaking task). It would be interesting to see what has changed and the actually data that will go to USNWR (although in most cases it should be the same as the spreadsheet I would imagine).

[Rigo]

Has anyone reconciled the spreadsheet with the 509s? (would be a painstaking task). It would be interesting to see what has changed and the actually data that will go to USNWR (although in most cases it should be the same as the spreadsheet I would imagine).

I have.

[ms9]

Has anyone reconciled the spreadsheet with the 509s? (would be a painstaking task). It would be interesting to see what has changed and the actually data that will go to USNWR (although in most cases it should be the same as the spreadsheet I would imagine).

I have.

That's crazy but awesome. Thanks!

Were any schools way off?

[Rigo]

I don't really remember (did it all the day 509's came out) but most class sizes are few less students than initially leaked. I figure it's just a few people here and there dropping out.

Restricting the spreadsheet permissions has helped cut down on huge discrepancies. I remember a couple years ago how people would put in phony data to make (presumably their own) schools look better.

The biggest difference was that we put Cornell at a class size of 190 initially, but I was a bit thrown when it was 203 on the 509. Seemed like a big disconnect from unofficial and official. Since it was 203 last year, I'm still wondering if the 203 for this year is a mistake.

[ms9]

I should get the USNWR rankings a day early and will let everyone here know if I do

[jetsfan1]

I should get the USNWR rankings a day early and will let everyone here know if I do

No prediction competition this year?

[cannibal ox]

I should get the USNWR rankings a day early and will let everyone here know if I do

No prediction competition this year?

The prediction contests were started the last 2 years on February 18th, and February 19th, so it's a bit premature to start it just yet (assuming North is generous enough to run it again this year).

[jetsfan1]

I should get the USNWR rankings a day early and will let everyone here know if I do

No prediction competition this year?

The prediction contests were started the last 2 years on February 18th, and February 19th, so it's a bit premature to start it just yet (assuming North is generous enough to run it again this year).

Ah my bad. For some reason I thought I had remembered Spivey running them.