Cobretti wrote:OneLisfun wrote:More strawmen. Didn't say categorically exclude the major market, didn't say Cleveland big law, don't have ties there, said don't put bids into the one with the 30% that's far above what you have, there are other firms in the major market that aren't that firm. Why do you constantly believe everything I write is something I didn't write. I literally cannot grasp how you come up with this stuff.
In sum, since I'm tired of people making up things I didn't say, I said Tiago Splitter was wrong, which he was, when he said everyone in the class should apply to the 30% SA, which I thought he meant was a specific law firm. If that's not what that meant, that is the entire conversation right there, I was wrong about the one thing, and everything else in this ridiculous conversation has stemmed from that.
You did misinterpret that but that is just one of many, many misstatements by you. Like cookiejar pointed out, the core of this is that you said:
Also, just to make clear, the typical advice at lower T14s is not to target NYC with lower grades. NYC is considered harder to get than secondary markets that you have ties to. At a lower T14, they will advise students with lower grades that the best move is to target secondary markets that they have ties to, as those are easier to get than NYC. That is the classic advice from career services
This advice is so bad its dangerous for 1Ls to follow, and that is why everyone has jumped on you. You have gradually modified your argument to say apparently people just shouldn't bid the most elite NY firms with the biggest SA classes from below median, which obviously people here wouldn't argue; but that's different from your original point.
Well that was just a fact. If you don't agree with it, I'm not wrong, the typical advice just is. Lots of people say that and believe it. If you go to a lower T14, you'll see people talking about oh what if I pretend I have a tie here or there etc (people don't actually end up doing it though). It's just kind of the typical thing. If you have abominable grades, then you won't be getting NY big law and you could try for some weird stuff. Also, there's data available that says that students who target both NYC and their secondary market on average do better than those who just target NYC at OCI. That's a fact, and I'm right and you are wrong there, I don't care if you find a thousand TLSers to chime in and say no. I can't share that data with you though.
For the final time, I did not say ALL secondary markets are easier to get, the typical advice is secondary markets. Are there some where it could be harder? I believe I pretty quickly said yes that's the case.
And lastly, again, not targeting does not mean not bidding. I don't disagree with that, maybe what I wrote was open to interpretation, but no, I've never believed for a second someone who goes to a T14 should bid all LA or whatever and do no NYC. There are a lot of secondary markets, they're not all whichever individual one you or the cookie monster guy want to bring up to say why some secondary markets are harder to get than others.
