C/O 2017 Median LSAT/GPA/Class Size Forum

[runinthefront]

this thread has become insufferable

[ManoftheHour]

BC's decline just breaks my heart. Admissions really needs to start handing out full schollies like candy to anyone with a 167+.

I was interested in them but they WLed me. Had the stats and everything. Had they thrown me a full ride offer, I would have been there for sure. But no. Instead, they let both their medians drop.

[BlueLotus]

BC's decline just breaks my heart. Admissions really needs to start handing out full schollies like candy to anyone with a 167+.

I was interested in them but they WLed me. Had the stats and everything. Had they thrown me a full ride offer, I would have been there for sure. But no. Instead, they let both their medians drop.

they shoulda copped dat 167 of yours. But no, they wanted to be "holistic" and seriously accepted a kid with a 144.

i'm all for diversity, but no one with an lsat that low should be attending any lawl school.

[LurkerShirker]

Fordham

Full time 160 163 165
Median gpa 3.54

Part-time 157 161 163
Median gpa 3.51

Good Day Gentlemen

Link? Source?

Phone call to admissions/ their stats haven't been posted online as of yet.

Interesting that the stats from the last 2 years do not break down full/part time but now they do. Any idea of class size?

[McAvoy]

this thread has become insufferable

The insufferable threads tend to be the best threads, but this is like, insufferable insufferable.

[BlueLotus]

I'm really curious to see how things shook out at my rival, BU.

[illmaticjones]

Fordham

Full time 160 163 165
Median gpa 3.54

Part-time 157 161 163
Median gpa 3.51

Good Day Gentlemen

Link? Source?

Phone call to admissions/ their stats haven't been posted online as of yet.

Interesting that the stats from the last 2 years do not break down full/part time but now they do. Any idea of class size?

I doubt they will post the stats for the part-time class online, but no, I didn't ask about the class size. The person on the line seemed almost reluctant to give me anything aside from the Full-time class lsat/gpa medians.

[ShipitHolla]

you should expect to make $60k out of fordham, since biglaw is not a median outcome
so following your model, one should only borrow up to $60k
which is less than col
meaning that students would need a full-ride
fordham doesn't give out full rides
ergo no one should go to fordham

My bad, I was unaware that Fordham doesn't give out full-rides. Based on the above logic you're right, I wouldn't go to Fordham. I do know that UIUC on the other hand gave out a bunch off full-rides this year and was throwing money around. Also, cost of living in Champaign is dirt cheap compared to NY. I'm estimating if you were frugal you could prob graduate with around 45K or so in debt (before interest).

[MikeJD]

Fordham benefits from being in the best legal market(by far) in the country. If they were in California, they would be hastings and if they were in DC they would American.

[Lacoste]

you should expect to make $60k out of fordham, since biglaw is not a median outcome
so following your model, one should only borrow up to $60k
which is less than col
meaning that students would need a full-ride
fordham doesn't give out full rides
ergo no one should go to fordham

My bad, I was unaware that Fordham doesn't give out full-rides. Based on the above logic you're right, I wouldn't go to Fordham. I do know that UIUC on the other hand gave out a bunch off full-rides this year and was throwing money around. Also, cost of living in Champaign is dirt cheap compared to NY. I'm estimating if you were frugal you could prob graduate with around 45K or so in debt (before interest).

zYea Brut's correct, I spoke with one of their reps at Chicago's law Forum and I asked this specific question about scholarships. She told me the best that they give out is like ~75% and thats only for like 5 students.

[Monochromatic Oeuvre]

The LSAT median gap between the T14 and everyone else, which has been growing steadily since USNWR came out, is at another all-time high. T14s took more gains in the boom years and now have clearly taken fewer losses.

T14 medians are up about 2.5 points on average from the early '90s but the average T1 median hasn't even budged.

[LurkerShirker]

Why Fordham does not give out more scholarships:

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog ... ings-.html

[LurkerShirker]

The LSAT median gap between the T14 and everyone else, which has been growing steadily since USNWR came out, is at another all-time high. T14s took more gains in the boom years and now have clearly taken fewer losses.

T14 medians are up about 2.5 points on average from the early '90s but the average T1 median hasn't even budged.

How do the T14 75/25 numbers look compared to the early 90s? I would guess the 25% has dropped, meaning more median gaming is going on but the overall class credentials have dropped. Did any T-14's have 25% LSAT numbers as low as 162 back then?

This s just a hunch, I have not done an analysis.

[JCougar]

take out school funded bro

Why? Any school has the option to provide one year fellowships for their grads. 11/10 times I'd rather have a school funded legal job where I can get a year of legal experience rather than work in a non law job. My alumni mentor landed a great PI gig after his fellowship ended. It's pretty damn common to turn a SFJ into a salaried position.

This is bullshit when the context is broadened to all PI fellowship gigs.

A lot of people who start out with a 1-year fellowship end up volunteering for 2-3 years after graduation, waiting for jobs to open up at PI orgs or government agencies. And then after 3 years of slave labor and delivering pizzas on the weekends (or mooching off their parents for living expenses), they give up and end up just doing some low-level non-profit work they could have gotten before going to law school.

Unless you go to Stanford, most PI fellowships are a gateway to hell, not a gateway to any sort of legal career.

[Moneytrees]

take out school funded bro

Why? Any school has the option to provide one year fellowships for their grads. 11/10 times I'd rather have a school funded legal job where I can get a year of legal experience rather than work in a non law job. My alumni mentor landed a great PI gig after his fellowship ended. It's pretty damn common to turn a SFJ into a salaried position.

This is bullshit when the context is broadened to all PI fellowship gigs.

A lot of people who start out with a 1-year fellowship end up volunteering for 2-3 years after graduation, waiting for jobs to open up at PI orgs or government agencies. And then after 3 years of slave labor and delivering pizzas on the weekends (or mooching off their parents for living expenses), they give up and end up just doing some low-level non-profit work they could have gotten before going to law school.

Unless you go to Stanford, most PI fellowships are a gateway to hell, not a gateway to any sort of legal career.

Absolutely correct. Just because you knew somebody that landed a great PI gig after a school funded job doesn't mean it happens often. People need to stop throwing out statements that are blatantly inaccurate and could give 0L the wrong idea about law school job prospects. If you are going to claim something, make sure you've done some research.

[Rigo]

My friend at Yale got a cushy fellowship for a year. I'd be more skeptical the further you go down from YHS though when deciding whether to include school-funded into employment numbers.
He went on to A3 clerkship and is now at a top litigation firm in the country. So, as you can see, fellowships at the top schools are not about the school manipulating & padding numbers

[bjsesq]

Absolutely correct. Just because you knew somebody that landed a great PI gig after a school funded job doesn't mean it happens often. People need to stop throwing out statements that are blatantly inaccurate and could give 0L the wrong idea about law school job prospects. If you are going to claim something, make sure you've done some research.

I'm not sure you understand how being a homer cheerleader works. You sing praises no matter what.

[Mack.Hambleton]

we shouldve had a separate discussion thread

[eriedoctrine]

Fordham does give out full rides
http://law.fordham.edu/assets/Admission ... m-2013.pdf

[Hand]

Fordham does give out full rides
http://law.fordham.edu/assets/Admission ... m-2013.pdf

to exactly 1 person in FT and 1 in PT

that leaves 1,425 people paying too much

[duras92]

Hey,

Would it be possible to get the total number of applicants, percent yield, etc. for class of 2016 & 2017? Just so we can compare app numbers over the past 2 years.

Thanks. Great work so far!

[Rigo]

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[swordking90]

Slight edit for the above post (with more accurate official numbers):

Applicants for Fall 2010: ~87,900
Matriculants Fall 2010: ~52,500

Applicants for Fall 2011: ~78,500
Matriculants Fall 2011: ~48,700

Applicants for Fall 2012: ~67,900
Matriculants Fall 2012: ~44, 500

Applicants for Fall 2013: ~59,400
Matriculants Fall 2013: ~39,700

Applicants for Fall 2014: ~54,500
Matriculants Fall 2014: ???

Source: http://www.lsac.org/lsacresources/data/ ... me-summary

[Rigo]

Slight edit for the above post (with more accurate official numbers):

Applicants for Fall 2010: ~87,900
Matriculants Fall 2010: ~52,500

Applicants for Fall 2011: ~78,500
Matriculants Fall 2011: ~48,700

Applicants for Fall 2012: ~67,900
Matriculants Fall 2012: ~44, 500

Applicants for Fall 2013: ~59,400
Matriculants Fall 2013: ~39,700

Applicants for Fall 2014: ~54,500
Matriculants Fall 2014: ???

Source: http://www.lsac.org/lsacresources/data/ ... me-summary

Ah! Thank you! I thought I remembered that chart existing, but I couldn't find it so I went off of the ethnicity data totals (and probably under counted Matriculants because some people don't report their ethnicity.)

[Creditisgood]

Is this thread still about medians?


Seattle U

First-year class 2014
First Year Enrollment 227 students (196 full-time and 31 part-time ) (-2)
75th Percentile LSAT Score 157
50th Percentile LSAT Score 154 (-2)
25th Percentile LSAT Score 151
75th Percentile GPA 3.498
50th Percentile GPA 3.28
25th Percentile GPA 3.05