C/O 2017 Median LSAT/GPA/Class Size Forum

[MidwestLifer]

This guy sounds salty that Fordham was the best he could do...

How are the loans, man? Worth it?

[03152016]

this is amazing
i've never seen such stupidity

[ilikebaseball]

35% of students at Fordham are lazy. Year after year. It all makes sense now.

seriously though this epitomizes his whole argument. All of the long, convoluted, unrealistic statistics he has posted is completely undermined with this sarcastic one liner. That's all it took people

[el madrileno]

this is amazing
i've never seen such stupidity

The AND YOU CAN TOO thread got wild.

[03152016]

In the Tri State Area, Fordham could be considered among the ranks of an Ivy League institution. They place about as many people from schools such as Harvard, Yale, NYU, etc.. in the top 100 firms in NY and surrounding cities. When you have a chance look it up on the firms websites, search for lawyers by law school.

% bl + a3 c/o 2013
h 71.5%
y 65.5%
n 67.1%
f 36.6%

[illmaticjones]

This guy sounds salty that Fordham was the best he could do...

How are the loans, man? Worth it?

put a shirt on, nobody wants to see your chicken chest

[illmaticjones]

In the Tri State Area, Fordham could be considered among the ranks of an Ivy League institution. They place about as many people from schools such as Harvard, Yale, NYU, etc.. in the top 100 firms in NY and surrounding cities. When you have a chance look it up on the firms websites, search for lawyers by law school.

% bl + a3 c/o 2013
h 71.5%
y 65.5%
n 67.1%
f 36.6%

hmm, are these tri state area statistics or statistics that encompass all graduates? did you pass algebra 101?

[illmaticjones]

this is amazing
i've never seen such stupidity

id love to debate a guy name Brut lol, what a joke

[Rigo]

In the Tri State Area, Fordham could be considered among the ranks of an Ivy League institution. They place about as many people from schools such as Harvard, Yale, NYU, etc.. in the top 100 firms in NY and surrounding cities. When you have a chance look it up on the firms websites, search for lawyers by law school.

% bl + a3 c/o 2013
h 71.5%
y 65.5%
n 67.1%
f 36.6%

hmm, are these tri state area statistics or statistics that encompass all graduates? did you pass algebra 101?

Fordham is regional so both.

[JustHawkin]

This is why we can't have nice things...

[star fox]

Your implications that all the law grads without jobs are just lazy and undeserving is shockingly offensive. These are real people, not just some faceless lovers.

[jbagelboy]

In the Tri State Area, Fordham could be considered among the ranks of an Ivy League institution. They place about as many people from schools such as Harvard, Yale, NYU, etc.. in the top 100 firms in NY and surrounding cities. When you have a chance look it up on the firms websites, search for lawyers by law school.

I lol'd

good for you, you should pay me for it.

Laughing at you not with you

And not in the stand up louis worth being paid to automated self deprecate way

[Mal Reynolds]

Davis Polk:

22 Fordham grads (LinkRemoved)

122 NYU grads (LinkRemoved)

[03152016]

it's clear to me what's going on now

[phillywc]

Moral of the story is to grow up and work for what you want. I doubt people who go to places like NYU or Columbia would work so hard at obtaining acceptance to these schools just so the schools can find them a job... you guys must be joking.

Ok putting aside the rest of this dumbfuckery...


I worked my fucking ass off to get into NYU. I expect them to help me find a job.
Hell, in an interview with another top 14 school, they mentioned that it is their job to get me a job.

[ilikebaseball]

His whole argument is that the reason NYU and schools like that place better than fordham is because the students work harder. Not just because its NYU over fordham. Wut

[Mal Reynolds]

Paul Weiss:

30 Fordham grads

110 NYU grads

[jbagelboy]

Davis Polk:

22 Fordham grads (LinkRemoved)

122 NYU grads (LinkRemoved)

And every fordham grad here is magna or summa w/coif. Also nyu isn't even the most dominant example, harvard and columbia are even bigger feeders

Also the whole fordham thing is such a joke as evidenced by the routine yearly movement of most of the top 5-10% of the class to NYU and CLS via transfer - why? Because the school helps them get jobs. I met so many fordham transfers during recruiting. They were great people - but they were also totally open about how uncertain the prospects were there and how if they wanted to jobs in the city, transferring was TCR**.

**sidenote, I don't totally agree with transferring out of a large scholarship to sticker debt at A T14, but fordham's so goddamn stingy that their COA probably didn't change much

[TheSpanishMain]

This guy sounds salty that Fordham was the best he could do...

How are the loans, man? Worth it?

put a shirt on, nobody wants to see your chicken chest

hi john1990

[stellina]

This board is mostly populated with people who chose Columbia or equivalent exactly so they didn't have to hustle as much to find jobs.

It's pretty well accepted that T1/2 are the most competitive, cutthroat places exactly bc finding a job is so precarious from them.

[03152016]

**sidenote, I don't totally agree with transferring out of a large scholarship to sticker debt at A T14, but fordham's so goddamn stingy that their COA probably didn't change much

yeah seriously

fordham
40.2% grants
10k median yearly
5.6% half to full

cls
45.7% grants (+5.5)
12k median yearly (+2,000 per year)
9.2% half to full (+3.6)

nyu
37.1% grants (-3.1)
20k median yearly (+10,000 per year)
10.2% half to full (+4.6)

[Lord Randolph McDuff]

This board is mostly populated with people who chose Columbia or equivalent exactly so they didn't have to hustle as much to find jobs.

It's pretty well accepted that T1/2 are the most competitive, cutthroat places exactly bc finding a job is so precarious from them.

I think it depends on the school. Most T2 schools I know are pretty chill, but we're talking U of Oklahoma, U of Tenn, etc. My experience is that a large number of people at those schools went to law school for reasons that may seem strange to the average T-14 poster. Also, most people don't want big law, or at least that was overwhelmingly the case at my school.

Maybe private, safety schools on the east coast T1/T2s like Fordham or Seton Hall are ultra competitive. But if so, that's not the case everywhere.

The hardest working and thus most deserving group of students or lawyers I have ever met have come from the T-14, and it's not even close. TLS vastly overstates prestige and vastly underestimates individual talent and work ethic. It's part of this whole, "don't blame the students" for the law school scam, thing. You also see it because most of the posters here are T-14 and they are nice folks who don't want to assume that they are smarter and much harder working than a bunch of human beings they have never met who attend U of Florida.

But they are.

[illmaticjones]

Your implications that all the law grads without jobs are just lazy and undeserving is shockingly offensive. These are real people, not just some faceless lovers.

Im not saying all law grads are anything, that would be assinine. I'm saying that you have way more than a 65% chance of getting a job coming out of Fordham

[illmaticjones]

In the Tri State Area, Fordham could be considered among the ranks of an Ivy League institution. They place about as many people from schools such as Harvard, Yale, NYU, etc.. in the top 100 firms in NY and surrounding cities. When you have a chance look it up on the firms websites, search for lawyers by law school.

I lol'd

good for you, you should pay me for it.

Laughing at you not with you

And not in the stand up louis worth being paid to automated self deprecate way

either way you should pay me...

[illmaticjones]

This board is mostly populated with people who chose Columbia or equivalent exactly so they didn't have to hustle as much to find jobs.

It's pretty well accepted that T1/2 are the most competitive, cutthroat places exactly bc finding a job is so precarious from them.

I think it depends on the school. Most T2 schools I know are pretty chill, but we're talking U of Oklahoma, U of Tenn, etc. My experience is that a large number of people at those schools went to law school for reasons that may seem strange to the average T-14 poster. Also, most people don't want big law, or at least that was overwhelmingly the case at my school.

Maybe private, safety schools on the east coast T1/T2s like Fordham or Seton Hall are ultra competitive. But if so, that's not the case everywhere.

The hardest working and thus most deserving group of students or lawyers I have ever met have come from the T-14, and it's not even close. TLS vastly overstates prestige and vastly underestimates individual talent and work ethic. It's part of this whole, "don't blame the students" for the law school scam, thing. You also see it because most of the posters here are T-14 and they are nice folks who don't want to assume that they are smarter and much harder working than a bunch of human beings they have never met who attend U of Florida.

But they are.

This guy sounds like he knows what he's talking about, kids take notes. I couldn't have said it any better.