C/O 2016 median lsat/gpa/class size Forum

[hephaestus]

Also, where are these ND numbers coming from? Not doubting them just interested in the source.

Yeah, I'd like to know the source for this too. A 3 point drop would be pretty epic.

Some flyer at a law school fair

Sounds legit

No red flags here.

[MT Cicero]

If that's what he meant then I gotcha. Thanks.

Yeah, that's what I was getting at. Technically speaking, one person with a 0.01 GPA won't hurt Harvard's current 25/50/75th percentiles (50th percentile = median) any more than someone with a 3.5 GPA, because once you go below the 25th percentile, the difference stops mattering.

For example, if 24% of the matriculants at Harvard had 0.01 GPAs and the remaining 76% had 3.5 GPAs, Harvard's 25/50/75th percentiles would all still be 3.5. The average (the mean), however, would be destroyed (it would be 2.66).

Even so, schools don't like to admit people with abysmally low GPAs or LSATs because (1) it makes them worry if those students are motivated / capable enough to keep up with everyone else and (2) it looks bad if they want to report their full range of scores.

If only the bolded above were more than technical! I'm one of those sub-3.0 / 99th-percentile LSAT types. Unfortunately, while I think adcomms might take a shot on me based on #1 in the last paragraph above since I'll be 12+ years out from the end of my undergrad years at the start of law school, #2 is what will probably keep some from admitting me. As someone who was 17-21 years old in undergrad and is now in early 30s, I really wish distance from GPA mattered more. Alas, it matters only on the margins.

[lmsf]

I don't know how much more friendly schools will be to splitters ... I applied last year, the year that gave schools the numbers they have now, with a 174/3.2 and was basically dinged across the board for T14 except for NU and Georgetown (and in off the waitlist at NYU). I didn't apply to Cornell and I got waitlisted at every school except HYS and UCB, but was then dinged.

I think that schools still prefer people with lsat/gpa that's near their medians, though it's entirely possible that some of those waitlists would have turned into yes's if I had continued to express interest.

[altoid99]

I don't know how much more friendly schools will be to splitters ... I applied last year, the year that gave schools the numbers they have now, with a 174/3.2 and was basically dinged across the board for T14 except for NU and Georgetown (and in off the waitlist at NYU). I didn't apply to Cornell and I got waitlisted at every school except HYS and UCB, but was then dinged.

I think that schools still prefer people with lsat/gpa that's near their medians, though it's entirely possible that some of those waitlists would have turned into yes's if I had continued to express interest.

That's strange. Just by looking at LSN, you can see people with around your GPA but lower LSAT who nonetheless got into Michigan, Duke, and some other T14 schools. I wonder why you were rejected. Maybe schools just figured you'd get into one of the T6 anyway?

[jk148706]

I don't know how much more friendly schools will be to splitters ... I applied last year, the year that gave schools the numbers they have now, with a 174/3.2 and was basically dinged across the board for T14 except for NU and Georgetown (and in off the waitlist at NYU). I didn't apply to Cornell and I got waitlisted at every school except HYS and UCB, but was then dinged.

I think that schools still prefer people with lsat/gpa that's near their medians, though it's entirely possible that some of those waitlists would have turned into yes's if I had continued to express interest.

That's strange. Just by looking at LSN, you can see people with around your GPA but lower LSAT who nonetheless got into Michigan, Duke, and some other T14 schools. I wonder why you were rejected. Maybe schools just figured you'd get into one of the T6 anyway?

Was also wondering why UMich would have rejected him/her

[ManoftheHour]

Some flyer at a law school fair

Sounds legit

No red flags here.

Seems legit. If their medians were anywhere near the year before, I don't think I would have been admitted last cycle with a 162.

[jk148706]

Seems legit. If their medians were anywhere near the year before, I don't think I would have been admitted last cycle with a 162.

It's definitely plausible, but I'm not accepting these numbers as fact until I see a better source. It's not that I don't believe it... just... -3 .. wow

[DoveBodyWash]

Seems legit. If their medians were anywhere near the year before, I don't think I would have been admitted last cycle with a 162.

It's definitely plausible, but I'm not accepting these numbers as fact until I see a better source. It's not that I don't believe it... just... -3 .. wow

I'm not particularly surprised considering how stingy ND was with scholarships...I didn't apply personally but I've heard from some classmates here that ND low-balled them and refused to negotiate higher. And these kids weren't splitters or anything.

[lmsf]

I don't know how much more friendly schools will be to splitters ... I applied last year, the year that gave schools the numbers they have now, with a 174/3.2 and was basically dinged across the board for T14 except for NU and Georgetown (and in off the waitlist at NYU). I didn't apply to Cornell and I got waitlisted at every school except HYS and UCB, but was then dinged.

I think that schools still prefer people with lsat/gpa that's near their medians, though it's entirely possible that some of those waitlists would have turned into yes's if I had continued to express interest.

That's strange. Just by looking at LSN, you can see people with around your GPA but lower LSAT who nonetheless got into Michigan, Duke, and some other T14 schools. I wonder why you were rejected. Maybe schools just figured you'd get into one of the T6 anyway?

Was also wondering why UMich would have rejected him/her

It could be YP, and, from LSN, it looks like a lot of people in that range get waitlisted. My best guess would be that if you apply early and write a WhyX and, if/when you get waitlisted continue to reach out to them so that they know they're your top choice, you have a decent shot at T9-T14. But it's definitely something you're going to have to fight for, as opposed to people who are near the medians and just get an actual yes or no answer. I didn't really follow up because I really liked NU and had a scholly so I wouldn't have gone to another school without a scholarship, and the chances of a substantial scholarship off of the waitlist seemed slim.

[Winston1984]

We know for sure that Texas is 166?

[MKC]

Seems legit. If their medians were anywhere near the year before, I don't think I would have been admitted last cycle with a 162.

It's definitely plausible, but I'm not accepting these numbers as fact until I see a better source. It's not that I don't believe it... just... -3 .. wow

I'm not particularly surprised considering how stingy ND was with scholarships...I didn't apply personally but I've heard from some classmates here that ND low-balled them and refused to negotiate higher. And these kids weren't splitters or anything.

The fact that they top out at 25K a year isn't doing their recruiting any favors either.

[cannibal ox]

We know for sure that Texas is 166?

http://www.utexas.edu/law/admissions/jd/quickfacts.php

[Winston1984]

We know for sure that Texas is 166?

http://www.utexas.edu/law/admissions/jd/quickfacts.php

Awesome! Thank you!

[ScottRiqui]

We know for sure that Texas is 166?

http://www.utexas.edu/law/admissions/jd/quickfacts.php

Awesome! Thank you!

[rebexness]

We know for sure that Texas is 166?

http://www.utexas.edu/law/admissions/jd/quickfacts.php

This made my day a little bit.

[hephaestus]

We know for sure that Texas is 166?

http://www.utexas.edu/law/admissions/jd/quickfacts.php

This made my day a little bit.

That's interesting. Probably a result of having to have so many in state students.

[WokeUpInACar]

We know for sure that Texas is 166?

http://www.utexas.edu/law/admissions/jd/quickfacts.php

This made my day a little bit.

There are actually 2 Alaskans in my section. You should come here!

[ScottRiqui]

We know for sure that Texas is 166?

http://www.utexas.edu/law/admissions/jd/quickfacts.php

This made my day a little bit.

That's interesting. Probably a result of having to have so many in state students.

Really? It seems like a typical drop compared to the other schools. Were you expecting them to hold their medians?

[TheJanitor6203]

I was really hoping UT dropped to 165.

Now I'm just waiting to see SMU's medians.

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[jk148706]

We know for sure that Texas is 166?

http://www.utexas.edu/law/admissions/jd/quickfacts.php

This made my day a little bit.

That's interesting. Probably a result of having to have so many in state students.

But ppl with 166 shouldn't go to law school ?

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[jk148706]

People who get 166 might not be lazy, but they got no place going to law school. Retake or don't go

This is such nonsense...with a strong enough GPA, a 166 could get you into Berkeley, whose median is 167.

Even without a strong GPA, the T14-or-bust mentality isn't necessarily warranted. There are people who go to lower-ranked law schools, do very well at those law schools, and end up having very successful careers. I know several such people.

So you think that a person who scores a 166 has "no place going to law school"?

I think that everyone should have T14 numbers, even if they are going to a regional school. The market is bad enough that you should only go to a T14, or a regional school with a big scholarship (which generally requires T14 numbers unless it's a school that's not even worth attending for free). So a 166 could fit this description if they had a great GPA.

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[jbagelboy]

There are plenty of people with 166 and lower at HYSCC doing fine (presumably) in competition with their peers. There are people on this site with below 166 at Columbia and Stanford (wont call anyone out but they are there and can respond) and I doubt they feel like it wasnt worth going to law school. I doubt Regulus is regretting his decision to attend UChicago - that is, more than any of us regret the hell that will be law school in mid November - but objectively, why should he or any of the stellar "166" candidates out there?

The reasoning compelling one to dismiss a 166 out of hand is absurd. I can't believe so many tag along with it ITT. I have long stood for retaking depending on your goals, but this is a 92-93%ile score, and the 166 students at Yale (yes, even lower they exist) or the full 25%+ of UChicago entering class with a 166 and below, would just be laughing derisively (or crying pitifully) at this