2018 USNWR Rankings Forum

[Moneytrees]

UT Austin is actually better than either of those schools if we're considering North Carolina and Texas the South

Are you delusional?

The whole undergrad prestige thing is stupid. Specializations matter way more in undergrad so depending on what you study the top schools change.

For example look at the Bloomberg Top 10 undergrad business schools.

1. Villanova
2. Notre Dame
3. Boston College
4. Indiana
5. UVA
6. UT
7. UNC
8. Michigan
9. NYU
10. Bentley

Don't think anyone would consider Indiana or Bentley national powerhouse schools, but for business they place extremely well into all of the top accounting, finance, and consulting firms. I went to Bentley and it was weird to not see someone working at Deloitte, PwC, E&Y, KPMG, Bain, Merrill Lynch, JP Morgan and other places with similar prestige. If you look at the Top 10 Engineering schools for undergrad there's literally one school that's the same.

1. MIT
2. Stanford
3. Cal Berkeley
4. Cal Tech
5. Georgia Tech
6. University of Illinois
7. Michigan
8. Carnegie Mellon
9. Cornell
10. Purdue

IMO undergrad matters far less than grad school. A good GPA is the most important thing whether you went to some random state school or NYU. If you graduate from a top school with a shit GPA you're no better than a state school kid with a 3.9-4.0 from what I've seen.

Are you sure they "place extremely well into all of the top accounting, finance, and consulting firms", or are you just using anecdotal evidence? I don't think any of those schools are necessarily elite in terms of placement into finance or consulting. I don't have any stats to back this up, but I doubt any bulge bracket firm is taking an Indiana or Bentley student over a Dartmouth, Brown,or Penn student. Imo Bloomberg's ranking is even worse than US News.

[wiz]

Actually, looking over the numbers, I'm not sure Duke is even the top school in the South anymore. Rice is getting better students and has almost double Duke's per-student endowment. When did this happen?/I feel so old.

Is this a joke? Duke will always be better than Rice. Regardless of inputs, Rice's name is pretty limited to Texas and the south. Duke has a much stronger national brand.

[wiz]

UT Austin is actually better than either of those schools if we're considering North Carolina and Texas the South

Are you delusional?

No.

Duke > Rice >> UT for undergrad

Duke >> UT >> Rice for grad

[LurkerTurnedMember]

Where is Duke?

[Moneytrees]

Where is Duke?

Chapel hill

[haus]

Where is Duke?

Over with the Duchess.

[LurkerTurnedMember]

Where is Duke?

Chapel hill

Chapel hill what? What state?

[proteinshake]

Where is Duke?

Chapel hill

Chapel hill what? What state?

google

[LurkerTurnedMember]

Where is Duke?

Chapel hill

Chapel hill what? What state?

google

North carolina. Sorry, just didn't know where Duke was lol

[lymenheimer]

Where is Duke?

Chapel hill

Chapel hill what? What state?

google

North carolina. Sorry, just didn't know where Duke was lol

Hah. No. Duke is in Durham. Nothing is in CH...except for UNC. It's a lonely, empty place. Also, why would you ask and not just google it in the first place?

[dabigchina]

UT Austin is actually better than either of those schools if we're considering North Carolina and Texas the South

Are you delusional?

The whole undergrad prestige thing is stupid. Specializations matter way more in undergrad so depending on what you study the top schools change.

For example look at the Bloomberg Top 10 undergrad business schools.

1. Villanova
2. Notre Dame
3. Boston College
4. Indiana
5. UVA
6. UT
7. UNC
8. Michigan
9. NYU
10. Bentley

Don't think anyone would consider Indiana or Bentley national powerhouse schools, but for business they place extremely well into all of the top accounting, finance, and consulting firms. I went to Bentley and it was weird to not see someone working at Deloitte, PwC, E&Y, KPMG, Bain, Merrill Lynch, JP Morgan and other places with similar prestige. If you look at the Top 10 Engineering schools for undergrad there's literally one school that's the same.

1. MIT
2. Stanford
3. Cal Berkeley
4. Cal Tech
5. Georgia Tech
6. University of Illinois
7. Michigan
8. Carnegie Mellon
9. Cornell
10. Purdue

IMO undergrad matters far less than grad school. A good GPA is the most important thing whether you went to some random state school or NYU. If you graduate from a top school with a shit GPA you're no better than a state school kid with a 3.9-4.0 from what I've seen.

I have literally never heard anyone call Bentley a feeder for mbb or bb ibd.

The big4 are not prestigious. Anyone with a pulse and 150 accounting course hours can get a job in big4 accounting.

[FascinatedWanderer]

I don't know what's happening here but no one cares about undergrad business rankings. If you're doing "business" at Villanova or Bentley all that means is you weren't smart enough to major in Econ at Harvard, MIT, Columbia etc.

[jbagelboy]

UT Austin is actually better than either of those schools if we're considering North Carolina and Texas the South

Are you delusional?

The whole undergrad prestige thing is stupid. Specializations matter way more in undergrad so depending on what you study the top schools change.

For example look at the Bloomberg Top 10 undergrad business schools.

1. Villanova
2. Notre Dame
3. Boston College
4. Indiana
5. UVA
6. UT
7. UNC
8. Michigan
9. NYU
10. Bentley

Don't think anyone would consider Indiana or Bentley national powerhouse schools, but for business they place extremely well into all of the top accounting, finance, and consulting firms. I went to Bentley and it was weird to not see someone working at Deloitte, PwC, E&Y, KPMG, Bain, Merrill Lynch, JP Morgan and other places with similar prestige. If you look at the Top 10 Engineering schools for undergrad there's literally one school that's the same.

1. MIT
2. Stanford
3. Cal Berkeley
4. Cal Tech
5. Georgia Tech
6. University of Illinois
7. Michigan
8. Carnegie Mellon
9. Cornell
10. Purdue

IMO undergrad matters far less than grad school. A good GPA is the most important thing whether you went to some random state school or NYU. If you graduate from a top school with a shit GPA you're no better than a state school kid with a 3.9-4.0 from what I've seen.

hmm. no

and undergrad matters more for graduate school in terms of 'prestige', whatever little it's worth. people that go to graduate (including law) school to try to capture ephemeral "prestige" they didn't have in college are kidding themselves.

then again, prestige is dumb

[A. Nony Mouse]

Actually, looking over the numbers, I'm not sure Duke is even the top school in the South anymore. Rice is getting better students and has almost double Duke's per-student endowment. When did this happen?/I feel so old.

Is this a joke? Duke will always be better than Rice. Regardless of inputs, Rice's name is pretty limited to Texas and the south. Duke has a much stronger national brand.

In my (non-Texan non-Southern) high school Rice was better known than Duke. This is all regional and contingent on who went where or where people they know went. This thread is stupid.

[grades??]

Actually, looking over the numbers, I'm not sure Duke is even the top school in the South anymore. Rice is getting better students and has almost double Duke's per-student endowment. When did this happen?/I feel so old.

Is this a joke? Duke will always be better than Rice. Regardless of inputs, Rice's name is pretty limited to Texas and the south. Duke has a much stronger national brand.

In my (non-Texan non-Southern) high school Rice was better known than Duke. This is all regional and contingent on who went where or where people they know went. This thread is stupid.

See I'm from the south (non-texas/non-NC) and it was the exact opposite. Duke was more impressive than Harvard in my community, and I had no idea what Rice was until grad school. This goes to show this whole discussion is stupid. In my hometown, it was literally Duke>Harvard>whatever southern state flagship >>> anything from the west coast (looking at you Berkeley).

[LurkerTurnedMember]

I'm from the midwest and I never heard of Duke until I applied to law schools and noticed it on the rankings. Still didn't know anything about it other than the name I had just read, so I didn't apply because I knew about all the other schools around it and above it. I also wasn't big into college hoops so I guess it might be that. I had heard of Rice, though. Not much, but the name floated around here and there.

[NCGuy]

Where is Duke?

Chapel hill

Chapel hill what? What state?

google

North carolina. Sorry, just didn't know where Duke was lol

Hah. No. Duke is in Durham. Nothing is in CH...except for UNC. It's a lonely, empty place. Also, why would you ask and not just google it in the first place?

I'd rather live in Chapel Hill than Durham, to be honest.

[lymenheimer]

I'd rather live in Chapel Hill than Durham, to be honest.

That's not an exclusive proposition.

[buckiguy_sucks]

I'm from an Inuit village in the tip of Alaska and up there only Stanford and Purdue are prestigious and they generally consider North Carolina to have terrible barbecue compared to St. Louis so they would probably laugh me out of the room if I said I was going to Duke instead of the Colorado School of Mines

[FascinatedWanderer]

lol. Also the whole USNWR ranking thing is absurd. They can claim UChicago is tied with Yale all they want...

[star fox]

UT Austin is actually better than either of those schools if we're considering North Carolina and Texas the South

Are you delusional?

The whole undergrad prestige thing is stupid. Specializations matter way more in undergrad so depending on what you study the top schools change.

For example look at the Bloomberg Top 10 undergrad business schools.

1. Villanova
2. Notre Dame
3. Boston College
4. Indiana
5. UVA
6. UT
7. UNC
8. Michigan
9. NYU
10. Bentley

Don't think anyone would consider Indiana or Bentley national powerhouse schools, but for business they place extremely well into all of the top accounting, finance, and consulting firms. I went to Bentley and it was weird to not see someone working at Deloitte, PwC, E&Y, KPMG, Bain, Merrill Lynch, JP Morgan and other places with similar prestige. If you look at the Top 10 Engineering schools for undergrad there's literally one school that's the same.

1. MIT
2. Stanford
3. Cal Berkeley
4. Cal Tech
5. Georgia Tech
6. University of Illinois
7. Michigan
8. Carnegie Mellon
9. Cornell
10. Purdue

IMO undergrad matters far less than grad school. A good GPA is the most important thing whether you went to some random state school or NYU. If you graduate from a top school with a shit GPA you're no better than a state school kid with a 3.9-4.0 from what I've seen.

Are you sure they "place extremely well into all of the top accounting, finance, and consulting firms", or are you just using anecdotal evidence? I don't think any of those schools are necessarily elite in terms of placement into finance or consulting. I don't have any stats to back this up, but I doubt any bulge bracket firm is taking an Indiana or Bentley student over a Dartmouth, Brown,or Penn student. Imo Bloomberg's ranking is even worse than US News.

Accounting definitely. An accounting major at the University of Illinois or Indiana University can get a Big 4 job pretty easily as long as they have good grades. MBB Consulting and Bulge Bracket are gonna require tippy top credentials.

[dbalkaran]

UT Austin is actually better than either of those schools if we're considering North Carolina and Texas the South

Are you delusional?

The whole undergrad prestige thing is stupid. Specializations matter way more in undergrad so depending on what you study the top schools change.

For example look at the Bloomberg Top 10 undergrad business schools.

1. Villanova
2. Notre Dame
3. Boston College
4. Indiana
5. UVA
6. UT
7. UNC
8. Michigan
9. NYU
10. Bentley

Don't think anyone would consider Indiana or Bentley national powerhouse schools, but for business they place extremely well into all of the top accounting, finance, and consulting firms. I went to Bentley and it was weird to not see someone working at Deloitte, PwC, E&Y, KPMG, Bain, Merrill Lynch, JP Morgan and other places with similar prestige. If you look at the Top 10 Engineering schools for undergrad there's literally one school that's the same.

1. MIT
2. Stanford
3. Cal Berkeley
4. Cal Tech
5. Georgia Tech
6. University of Illinois
7. Michigan
8. Carnegie Mellon
9. Cornell
10. Purdue

IMO undergrad matters far less than grad school. A good GPA is the most important thing whether you went to some random state school or NYU. If you graduate from a top school with a shit GPA you're no better than a state school kid with a 3.9-4.0 from what I've seen.

I have literally never heard anyone call Bentley a feeder for mbb or bb ibd.

The big4 are not prestigious. Anyone with a pulse and 150 accounting course hours can get a job in big4 accounting.

Sure they can. I'd love to see all the kids from Florida State at Deloitte. Who doesn't consider a job at PwC prestigious? You're in the minority there thinking that the Big4 aren't prestigious. There are plenty of kids that work at Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, Credit Suisse, UBS, Citibank, State Street and other banks from Bentley. I never said they were a feeder school, but kids from Bentley or any of the other schools in the list I presented have no problems getting jobs at prestigious companies.

[FascinatedWanderer]

I am willing to raise my hand as someone who does not think a job at PwC is prestigious.

[dbalkaran]

I don't know what's happening here but no one cares about undergrad business rankings. If you're doing "business" at Villanova or Bentley all that means is you weren't smart enough to major in Econ at Harvard, MIT, Columbia etc.

Most people (27%) who go into investment banking are finance majors and none of those schools offer a degree in finance. 14% of people come from an economics background so I'm not sure how you think the only people getting into top banks are from Ivy econ programs.

[FascinatedWanderer]

I don't know what's happening here but no one cares about undergrad business rankings. If you're doing "business" at Villanova or Bentley all that means is you weren't smart enough to major in Econ at Harvard, MIT, Columbia etc.

Most people (27%) who go into investment banking are finance majors and none of those schools offer a degree in finance. 14% of people come from an economics background so I'm not sure how you think the only people getting into top banks are from Ivy econ programs.

All I'm saying is if you tell people where you go to school and the main reaction is "never heard of it" it really doesn't matter to most MBB/bulge IBD recruiters if it's the TENTH RANKED BUSINESS PROGRAM in the country.