C/O 2017 Median LSAT/GPA/Class Size Forum

[illmaticjones]

Just lol at this "Fordham is an Ivy" bro. Dude are you even numerate?

Also, your "just work hard" argument was already shot down above. If every single Fordham student gave 110% effort, as did every student from every school, it wouldn't change the grading CURVE nor would it change the unemployment level. They would be exactly the same.

Is this flame?

Mind telling us your alma mater?

Btw, the curve is applied at most if not all schools... how does that explain anything?

[cron1834]

Just lol at this "Fordham is an Ivy" bro. Dude are you even numerate?

Also, your "just work hard" argument was already shot down above. If every single Fordham student gave 110% effort, as did every student from every school, it wouldn't change the grading CURVE nor would it change the unemployment level. They would be exactly the same.

Is this flame?

Mind telling us your alma mater?

Btw, the curve is applied at most if not all schools... how does that explain anything?

What are you not grasping here? You said earlier that ppl just need to work harder, or some boomer nonsense. I said that if everyone took your advice, the unemployment rate would be exactly the same, bc the curve and the total number of jobs would be the same, as pointed out above. The market will only employ so many Fordham grads, even if they all get their Little Engine on.

I'm done with this tho - I've probably been suckered by a flame.

[illmaticjones]

Just lol at this "Fordham is an Ivy" bro. Dude are you even numerate?

Also, your "just work hard" argument was already shot down above. If every single Fordham student gave 110% effort, as did every student from every school, it wouldn't change the grading CURVE nor would it change the unemployment level. They would be exactly the same.

Is this flame?

Mind telling us your alma mater?

Btw, the curve is applied at most if not all schools... how does that explain anything?

What are you not grasping here? You said earlier that ppl just need to work harder, or some boomer nonsense. I said that if everyone took your advice, the unemployment rate would be exactly the same, bc the curve and the total number of jobs would be the same, as pointed out above. The market will only employ so many Fordham grads, even if they all get their Little Engine on.

I'm done with this tho - I've probably been suckered by a flame.

ok, i wish you the best with your "you owe me something law school attitude". Your numbers mean nothing, do the work if you want a job...

[brazleton]

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[illmaticjones]

ok, i wish you the best with your "you owe me something law school attitude". Your numbers mean nothing, do the work if you want a job...

they kind of owe you something for 200k, don't you think? If you paid for a sandwich, would you expect a sandwich? Or would you just pay for it, go home and make your own? #bootstrappin

are you serious? they owe you the opportunity to study at the institution, and a degree once you meet the requirements. Graduate school is not for people who are looking to have their hands held throughout the process.

[brazleton]

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[illmaticjones]

ok, i wish you the best with your "you owe me something law school attitude". Your numbers mean nothing, do the work if you want a job...

they kind of owe you something for 200k, don't you think? If you paid for a sandwich, would you expect a sandwich? Or would you just pay for it, go home and make your own? #bootstrappin

are you serious? they owe you the opportunity to study at the institution, and a degree once you meet the requirements. Graduate school is not for people who are looking to have their hands held throughout the process.

Come on man. It's professional school, not a Masters in French Philosophy. The hard-working unemployed grads from Fordham would really disagree with your diagnosis of the problem.It's not having your hand held to hold schools' feet to the fire on the employment front. It's responsible buyers demanding a return on their investment. The pressure from the market for more transparency in employment stats and smaller classes is a good thing. You'd call it hand holding, but you sound like a boomer, so it's all good.

forgive me if i don't know what a boomer is, i suppose that is supposed to be some kind of insult, but one thing i do know is i don't expect anything from a school but a diploma. A job is something i plan on obtaining on my own.

[brazleton]

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[Rigo]

forgive me if i don't know what a boomer is, i suppose that is supposed to be some kind of insult, but one thing i do know is i don't expect anything from a school but a diploma. A job is something i plan on obtaining on my own.

(Baby) boomer, as in a certain generation of Americans.

[Rigo]

I somewhat see what illmatic is saying: as a New Yorker, the hierarchy goes Columbia/NYU then Fordham then everything else (Cardozo, Brooklyn, Rutgers, etc).
However I do not agree with what he is saying. Just because Fordham is held in a certain esteem (especially among boomers, which is why that term has surfaced) doesn't mean it is a smart place to spend $200+k. It's relative prestige doesn't justify the cost. It's a far fall from Columbia/NYU to Fordham, and though Fordham is third in NYC, it is in no way as reputable or as smart a decision as an actual Ivy/T13.

[Monochromatic Oeuvre]

In the Tri State Area, Fordham could be considered among the ranks of an Ivy League institution. They place about as many people from schools such as Harvard, Yale, NYU, etc.. in the top 100 firms in NY and surrounding cities. When you have a chance look it up on the firms websites, search for lawyers by law school.

I'm not going to argue with your "just pick yourself up by your bootstraps" attitude you displayed ITT, because I think that's beyond helping. But the bolded is simply factually incorrect. Its placement in NYC lags significantly behind CLS, NYU, Penn, Cornell, HLS, and YLS.

[Moneytrees]

Just because school is well respected, or has a qualified student body, doesn't make that school a wise investment. Anybody who has done any research will see that Fordham is a trap. Unfortunately, a lot of people on the east coast assume that Fordham is a great investment simply because it has a solid reputation and will give you a shot at a corporate job.

Ultimately, spending 200k+ for a 35% chance of getting Biglaw is probably a bad decision. It doesn't matter what school it is.

[Rigo]

Whenever I think of Fordham, I start singing "Beez in the Trap" by Nicki Minaj. It's that trappy.

[swordking90]

In the Tri State Area, Fordham could be considered among the ranks of an Ivy League institution. They place about as many people from schools such as Harvard, Yale, NYU, etc.. in the top 100 firms in NY and surrounding cities. When you have a chance look it up on the firms websites, search for lawyers by law school.

I'm not going to argue with your "just pick yourself up by your bootstraps" attitude you displayed ITT, because I think that's beyond helping. But the bolded is simply factually incorrect. Its placement in NYC lags significantly behind CLS, NYU, Penn, Cornell, HLS, and YLS.

I agree with Monochromatic.
If we search by law school at Wachtell Lipton, a top law firm in NYC, you will see that Columbia has 44 grads there, NYU has about 34 grads, and Fordham has 5. That's 44 / 34 / 5 (with Fordham having only a slightly smaller class size than NYU / Columbia in the class of 2013 and before).
Links:
Columbia grads at Wachtell: http://www.wlrk.com/attorneys/List.aspx ... 1c02e917e7
NYU grads at Wachtell: http://www.wlrk.com/attorneys/List.aspx ... 1c02e917e7
Fordham at Wachtell: http://www.wlrk.com/attorneys/List.aspx ... 1c02e917e7

[illmaticjones]

In the Tri State Area, Fordham could be considered among the ranks of an Ivy League institution. They place about as many people from schools such as Harvard, Yale, NYU, etc.. in the top 100 firms in NY and surrounding cities. When you have a chance look it up on the firms websites, search for lawyers by law school.

I'm not going to argue with your "just pick yourself up by your bootstraps" attitude you displayed ITT, because I think that's beyond helping. But the bolded is simply factually incorrect. Its placement in NYC lags significantly behind CLS, NYU, Penn, Cornell, HLS, and YLS.

look it up http://www.vault.com/company-rankings/law/vault-law-100

[illmaticjones]

In the Tri State Area, Fordham could be considered among the ranks of an Ivy League institution. They place about as many people from schools such as Harvard, Yale, NYU, etc.. in the top 100 firms in NY and surrounding cities. When you have a chance look it up on the firms websites, search for lawyers by law school.

I'm not going to argue with your "just pick yourself up by your bootstraps" attitude you displayed ITT, because I think that's beyond helping. But the bolded is simply factually incorrect. Its placement in NYC lags significantly behind CLS, NYU, Penn, Cornell, HLS, and YLS.

I agree with Monochromatic.
If we search by law school at Wachtell Lipton, a top law firm in NYC, you will see that Columbia has 44 grads there, NYU has about 34 grads, and Fordham has 5. That's 44 / 34 / 5 (with Fordham having only a slightly smaller class size than NYU / Columbia in the class of 2013 and before).
Links:
Columbia grads at Wachtell: http://www.wlrk.com/attorneys/List.aspx ... 1c02e917e7
NYU grads at Wachtell: http://www.wlrk.com/attorneys/List.aspx ... 1c02e917e7
Fordham at Wachtell: http://www.wlrk.com/attorneys/List.aspx ... 1c02e917e7

you are using one law firm to represent an overall trend... try looking up the top ten

[Mal Reynolds]

This guy is the dumbest poster of at least this past month, if not longer.

[illmaticjones]

Whenever I think of Fordham, I start singing "Beez in the Trap" by Nicki Minaj. It's that trappy.

lol

[Moneytrees]

This guy is the dumbest poster of at least this past month, if not longer.

Agreed. Posting such uninformed and incorrect statements is shameful.

[illmaticjones]

I somewhat see what illmatic is saying: as a New Yorker, the hierarchy goes Columbia/NYU then Fordham then everything else (Cardozo, Brooklyn, Rutgers, etc).
However I do not agree with what he is saying. Just because Fordham is held in a certain esteem (especially among boomers, which is why that term has surfaced) doesn't mean it is a smart place to spend $200+k. It's relative prestige doesn't justify the cost. It's a far fall from Columbia/NYU to Fordham, and though Fordham is third in NYC, it is in no way as reputable or as smart a decision as an actual Ivy/T13.

Thanks for the "boomer" explanation. Im not a boomer though... And i get what you are saying, I just find it hard to believe that people who graduate from fordham, have a hard time finding employment in NY. I honestly believe that if you can't find employment in NY after graduating with decent grades from Fordham, than you are the problem, not the school.

[illmaticjones]

This guy is the dumbest poster of at least this past month, if not longer.

Agreed. Posting such uninformed and incorrect statements is shameful.

you guys must think i care about your opinion of me... show just how young you must be lol

[Mal Reynolds]

I somewhat see what illmatic is saying: as a New Yorker, the hierarchy goes Columbia/NYU then Fordham then everything else (Cardozo, Brooklyn, Rutgers, etc).
However I do not agree with what he is saying. Just because Fordham is held in a certain esteem (especially among boomers, which is why that term has surfaced) doesn't mean it is a smart place to spend $200+k. It's relative prestige doesn't justify the cost. It's a far fall from Columbia/NYU to Fordham, and though Fordham is third in NYC, it is in no way as reputable or as smart a decision as an actual Ivy/T13.

Thanks for the "boomer" explanation. Im not a boomer though... And i get what you are saying, I just find it hard to believe that people who graduate from fordham, have a hard time finding employment in NY. I honestly believe that if you can't find employment in NY after graduating with decent grades from Fordham, than you are the problem, not the school.

Love this boomer mentality.

[illmaticjones]

This guy is the dumbest poster of at least this past month, if not longer.

Agreed. Posting such uninformed and incorrect statements is shameful.

Hey money, you still waiting for you undergrad to find you a job?

[illmaticjones]

I somewhat see what illmatic is saying: as a New Yorker, the hierarchy goes Columbia/NYU then Fordham then everything else (Cardozo, Brooklyn, Rutgers, etc).
However I do not agree with what he is saying. Just because Fordham is held in a certain esteem (especially among boomers, which is why that term has surfaced) doesn't mean it is a smart place to spend $200+k. It's relative prestige doesn't justify the cost. It's a far fall from Columbia/NYU to Fordham, and though Fordham is third in NYC, it is in no way as reputable or as smart a decision as an actual Ivy/T13.

Thanks for the "boomer" explanation. Im not a boomer though... And i get what you are saying, I just find it hard to believe that people who graduate from fordham, have a hard time finding employment in NY. I honestly believe that if you can't find employment in NY after graduating with decent grades from Fordham, than you are the problem, not the school.

Love this boomer mentality.

you should love it, it will get you somewhere as opposed to waiting for a hand out...

[Rigo]

I didn't know Sarah Palin was interested in Fordham!