2018 USNWR Rankings Forum

[bearsfan23]

Do you still think Cornell belongs in 2b instead of 3?

Yes, while Cornell is clearly the least selective/prestigious UG among the lower Ivy/Duke tier it's still a cut above tier 3.

Like UC-Berkeley, Cornell is a literal public school.

It's literally not. It has a few statutory colleges for Agriculture and stuff but the overwhelming majority of it is private.

Yeah that was a super weird comment.

The fact that you and Rigo can't grasp sarcasm is the only thing that's weird

[star fox]

What do you all think of Cornell Ag School graduates implying they have an Ivy League pedigree?

[Moneytrees]

What do you all think of Cornell Ag School graduates implying they have an Ivy League pedigree?

They have a little bit less prestige than Harvard masters in divinity students.

[Ferrisjso]

What do you all think of Cornell Ag School graduates implying they have an Ivy League pedigree?

It's a public ivy.

[BigZuck]

This thread makes me hate threads and it sucks

#hookem

[Pomeranian]

What do you all think of Cornell Ag School graduates implying they have an Ivy League pedigree?

Keith Olbermann used to do this all the time apparently before he got called out on it by Ann Coulter. Unlike her, Olbermann didn't go to the ivy league Cornell, he majored in "communications" at the agriculture school, aka the Old MacDonald Cornell.

[goldenbear2020]

What do you all think of Cornell Ag School graduates implying they have an Ivy League pedigree?

Don't they? Cornell University is in the Ivy League, and it is made up of 7 undergrad colleges: 3 state-supported and 4 private.

[AT9]

Hikko - I was thinking about this and you're my go to guy on these sorts of things. What is the cutoff for what constitutes a prestigious undergrad?

National Universities
Tier 1: PSYCHM
Tier 2: Columbia, Chicago, Duke, Penn, Dartmouth, Vanderbilt, Brown, Rice
Tier 3: WUSTL, Cornell, Georgetown, Northwestern, Johns Hopkins, NYU, Notre Dame, Emory, Berkeley, Tufts, Carnegie Mellon, UVA, Michigan, Boston College, USC, UCLA

Just a rough outline. Order within tiers not super precise. Personal preference would be slightly different in some cases. Open to disagreement/suggestions.

1a: HYPS
1b: MC
2a: Columbia, Penn, Chicago
2b: Dartmouth, Brown, Cornell, Duke
3: Northwestern, Johns Hopkins, Vanderbilt, Rice, Berkeley, WUSTL, Emory, Georgetown, Notre Dame
4: Carnegie Mellon, Tufts, NYU, UVA, Michigan, USC, UCLA


Lmao liberal arts schools

Some blatant anti-North Carolina trolling in here to not put UNC and Wake Forest in the bottom tiers, especially with schools like Tufts and NYU making the cut.

[proteinshake]

Hikko - I was thinking about this and you're my go to guy on these sorts of things. What is the cutoff for what constitutes a prestigious undergrad?

National Universities
Tier 1: PSYCHM
Tier 2: Columbia, Chicago, Duke, Penn, Dartmouth, Vanderbilt, Brown, Rice
Tier 3: WUSTL, Cornell, Georgetown, Northwestern, Johns Hopkins, NYU, Notre Dame, Emory, Berkeley, Tufts, Carnegie Mellon, UVA, Michigan, Boston College, USC, UCLA

Just a rough outline. Order within tiers not super precise. Personal preference would be slightly different in some cases. Open to disagreement/suggestions.

1a: HYPS
1b: MC
2a: Columbia, Penn, Chicago
2b: Dartmouth, Brown, Cornell, Duke
3: Northwestern, Johns Hopkins, Vanderbilt, Rice, Berkeley, WUSTL, Emory, Georgetown, Notre Dame
4: Carnegie Mellon, Tufts, NYU, UVA, Michigan, USC, UCLA


Lmao liberal arts schools

Some blatant anti-North Carolina trolling in here to not put UNC and Wake Forest in the bottom tiers, especially with schools like Tufts and NYU making the cut.

yeah I don't see how UVA/Mich/UNC shouldn't be grouped together.

[Hikikomorist]

To get back to star fox's actual question, I would only personally use the description if I had attended a Tier 1 school. Is would agree with anyone from a Tier 2 school claiming it. I would understand, either immediately (pre-Berkeley) or after a brief internally raised eyebrow (post-Berkeley), anyone from a Tier 3 school making that claim. I'd probably actively challenge or at least show some outward sign of skepticism if anyone from a school outside those tiers tried to say they attended a prestigious school.

[Hikikomorist]

Hikko - I was thinking about this and you're my go to guy on these sorts of things. What is the cutoff for what constitutes a prestigious undergrad?

National Universities
Tier 1: PSYCHM
Tier 2: Columbia, Chicago, Duke, Penn, Dartmouth, Vanderbilt, Brown, Rice
Tier 3: WUSTL, Cornell, Georgetown, Northwestern, Johns Hopkins, NYU, Notre Dame, Emory, Berkeley, Tufts, Carnegie Mellon, UVA, Michigan, Boston College, USC, UCLA

Just a rough outline. Order within tiers not super precise. Personal preference would be slightly different in some cases. Open to disagreement/suggestions.

1a: HYPS
1b: MC
2a: Columbia, Penn, Chicago
2b: Dartmouth, Brown, Cornell, Duke
3: Northwestern, Johns Hopkins, Vanderbilt, Rice, Berkeley, WUSTL, Emory, Georgetown, Notre Dame
4: Carnegie Mellon, Tufts, NYU, UVA, Michigan, USC, UCLA


Lmao liberal arts schools

Some blatant anti-North Carolina trolling in here to not put UNC and Wake Forest in the bottom tiers, especially with schools like Tufts and NYU making the cut.

yeah I don't see how UVA/Mich/UNC shouldn't be grouped together.

If you allow in UNC, I'm not sure how you avoid allowing in UT, UW, or some decent Midwestern flagship. Actually, UW is probably closer than UNC to Tier 3 at this point.

[AT9]

If you allow in UNC, I'm not sure how you avoid allowing in UT, UW, or some decent Midwestern flagship. Actually, UW is probably closer than UNC to Tier 3 at this point.

I mentioned UNC because it's typically mentioned alongside UVA/Mich/UCLA, and UNC/Wake were (I think) the only top 30ish schools left off the above lists.

But agreed that many of the big public flagships are practically interchangeable.

[Hikikomorist]

If you allow in UNC, I'm not sure how you avoid allowing in UT, UW, or some decent Midwestern flagship. Actually, UW is probably closer than UNC to Tier 3 at this point.

I mentioned UNC because it's typically mentioned alongside UVA/Mich/UCLA, and UNC/Wake were (I think) the only top 30ish schools left off the above lists.

But agreed that many of the big public flagships are practically interchangeable.

UNC has declining/inferior test scores, though you could say UVA is trending in the same direction. Speaking of public schools, GT should have more prestige.

[Hikikomorist]

Actually, looking over the numbers, I'm not sure Duke is even the top school in the South anymore. Rice is getting better students and has almost double Duke's per-student endowment. When did this happen?/I feel so old.

[BVest]

Actually, looking over the numbers, I'm not sure Duke is even the top school in the South anymore. Rice is getting better students and has almost double Duke's per-student endowment. When did this happen?/I feel so old.

It has always been thus.

[Kronk]

Actually, looking over the numbers, I'm not sure Duke is even the top school in the South anymore. Rice is getting better students and has almost double Duke's per-student endowment. When did this happen?/I feel so old.

"South"

[Kronk]

UT Austin is actually better than either of those schools if we're considering North Carolina and Texas the South

[Hikikomorist]

UT Austin is actually better than either of those schools if we're considering North Carolina and Texas the South

Are you delusional?

[Kronk]

UT Austin is actually better than either of those schools if we're considering North Carolina and Texas the South

Are you delusional?

No.

[Moneytrees]

Actually, looking over the numbers, I'm not sure Duke is even the top school in the South anymore. Rice is getting better students and has almost double Duke's per-student endowment. When did this happen?/I feel so old.

Lol how is per student endowment in any way a factor when it comes lay prestige? I had never even heard of Rice until I was like a senior in college and I sort of care about these types of things.

[poptart123]

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[proteinshake]

Actually, looking over the numbers, I'm not sure Duke is even the top school in the South anymore. Rice is getting better students and has almost double Duke's per-student endowment. When did this happen?/I feel so old.

Lol how is per student endowment in any way a factor when it comes lay prestige? I had never even heard of Rice until I was like a senior in college and I sort of care about these types of things.

yeah this. nobody cares about endowment.

[LurkerTurnedMember]

Duke is so good in March Madness.. I wonder if they have a law school, too.

[dbalkaran]

UT Austin is actually better than either of those schools if we're considering North Carolina and Texas the South

Are you delusional?

The whole undergrad prestige thing is stupid. Specializations matter way more in undergrad so depending on what you study the top schools change.

For example look at the Bloomberg Top 10 undergrad business schools.

1. Villanova
2. Notre Dame
3. Boston College
4. Indiana
5. UVA
6. UT
7. UNC
8. Michigan
9. NYU
10. Bentley

Don't think anyone would consider Indiana or Bentley national powerhouse schools, but for business they place extremely well into all of the top accounting, finance, and consulting firms. I went to Bentley and it was weird to not see someone working at Deloitte, PwC, E&Y, KPMG, Bain, Merrill Lynch, JP Morgan and other places with similar prestige. If you look at the Top 10 Engineering schools for undergrad there's literally one school that's the same.

1. MIT
2. Stanford
3. Cal Berkeley
4. Cal Tech
5. Georgia Tech
6. University of Illinois
7. Michigan
8. Carnegie Mellon
9. Cornell
10. Purdue

IMO undergrad matters far less than grad school. A good GPA is the most important thing whether you went to some random state school or NYU. If you graduate from a top school with a shit GPA you're no better than a state school kid with a 3.9-4.0 from what I've seen.

[Hikikomorist]

UT Austin is actually better than either of those schools if we're considering North Carolina and Texas the South

Are you delusional?

The whole undergrad prestige thing is stupid. Specializations matter way more in undergrad so depending on what you study the top schools change.

For example look at the Bloomberg Top 10 undergrad business schools.

1. Villanova
2. Notre Dame
3. Boston College
4. Indiana
5. UVA
6. UT
7. UNC
8. Michigan
9. NYU
10. Bentley

Don't think anyone would consider Indiana or Bentley national powerhouse schools, but for business they place extremely well into all of the top accounting, finance, and consulting firms. I went to Bentley and it was weird to not see someone working at Deloitte, PwC, E&Y, KPMG, Bain, Merrill Lynch, JP Morgan and other places with similar prestige. If you look at the Top 10 Engineering schools for undergrad there's literally one school that's the same.

1. MIT
2. Stanford
3. Cal Berkeley
4. Cal Tech
5. Georgia Tech
6. University of Illinois
7. Michigan
8. Carnegie Mellon
9. Cornell
10. Purdue

IMO undergrad matters far less than grad school. A good GPA is the most important thing whether you went to some random state school or NYU. If you graduate from a top school with a shit GPA you're no better than a state school kid with a 3.9-4.0 from what I've seen.

Well, that certainly invalidates the idea of UG prestige.