C/O 2017 Median LSAT/GPA/Class Size Forum

[Rigo]

I apologize in advance for being off topic....


University of Florida
LSAT:155(-1), 158(-2), 161(-1)
GPA:3.25(-.07), 3.50(-.05), 3.68(-.09)
Class Size:309(-9)

http://www.law.ufl.edu/admissions/apply ... ss-profile

Stubbornly keeping a large class size to the detriment of their stats, I see.
All the while, Florida State held at 159 and raised its class size. Interesting.

[WichitaShocker]

John Marshall (ATL)

LSAT:146(0), 148(-1), 151(-1)
GPA:2.63(-.02), 2.90(-.08), 3.21(-.13)


Solid GPAs

[WichitaShocker]

Quinnipiac

LSAT:150(-1), 152(-2), 155(-2)
GPA:2.99(-.06), 3.34(+.01), 3.56(-.02)

[Winston1984]

John Marshall (ATL)

LSAT:146(0), 148(-1), 151(-1)
GPA:2.63(-.02), 2.90(-.08), 3.21(-.13)


Solid GPAs

God this is infuriating.. Needs to close.

[vicpin5190]

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[KMart]

John Marshall (ATL)

LSAT:146(0), 148(-1), 151(-1)
GPA:2.63(-.02), 2.90(-.08), 3.21(-.13)


Solid GPAs

God this is infuriating.. Needs to close.

How much does this school cost and do people here realize they will not be hired as lawyers...?

[reasonable person]

Seems like ASU and FSU are solidifying their rankings over UA and UF. Damnn...

[Rigo]

John Marshall (ATL)

LSAT:146(0), 148(-1), 151(-1)
GPA:2.63(-.02), 2.90(-.08), 3.21(-.13)


Solid GPAs

God this is infuriating.. Needs to close.

How much does this school cost and do people here realize they will not be hired as lawyers...?

These TTT/TTTT schools market themselves to the very people who are least likely to do their due diligence in researching employment outcomes. The notion that being a lawyer leads to a life of prosperity is repeated again and again in communities ignorant to the reality of post-recession legal employment prospects. My grandparents and parents (prior to me filling them in) thought a law degree is a surefire way to a hefty salary -- any law degree. Many people in middle America have a romanticized notion of their local TTT and these rose-colored glasses are passed down to the younger generations and won't be shattered without research. Not a lot of people know a recent law grad who is unemployed or underemployed--I don't.
And the unfortunate reality is that the very people who settle for sub 155 LSATs do not comprehend what a mistake they are making when they pay sticker to go to a crappy law school. Many think $160k is a guaranteed salary for all grads.

[reasonable person]

Screw Illinois.
If they ever somehow ever get back to T25, they'll just fuck it up again in another scandal.

[Rigo]

Screw Illinois.
If they ever somehow ever get back to T25, they'll just fuck it up again in another scandal.

I reasonably suspect that this is not true, but k.

[03152016]

John Marshall (ATL)

LSAT:146(0), 148(-1), 151(-1)
GPA:2.63(-.02), 2.90(-.08), 3.21(-.13)


Solid GPAs

God this is infuriating.. Needs to close.

How much does this school cost and do people here realize they will not be hired as lawyers...?

i made a thread in response to the above post: http://top-law-schools.com/forums/viewt ... 1&t=236565

[Rigo]

John Marshall (ATL)

LSAT:146(0), 148(-1), 151(-1)
GPA:2.63(-.02), 2.90(-.08), 3.21(-.13)


Solid GPAs

God this is infuriating.. Needs to close.

How much does this school cost and do people here realize they will not be hired as lawyers...?

i made a thread in response to the above post: http://top-law-schools.com/forums/viewt ... 1&t=236565

Just finished reading it. Good job.

[McAvoy]

Great work as always brut

[illmaticjones]

Doesn't fordham have terrible numbers for a school in one of the better legal markets?

Fordham has good employment numbers. The reason going to Fordham is virtually never going to be a good decision is because its extremely stingy with scholarship money.

fordham is very high on the list of the trappiest trap schools, precisely bc people think it has very good placement
but a school with 63.4% employment and a jaw-dropping 26.6% underemployment does not have "good numbers", and is not a "top school", even if the people who do manage to find work have an okay shot at biglaw

It's good relative to other non T14 schools. Take that for what it's worth. You're right, a 65% chance of becoming an attorney is bad. But over 35% chance at Biglaw/clerkship is better than all but around 20 schools in the country. Let's not forget that "top" schools like Washington St. Louis, Emory and Minnesota have comparable or worse employment numbers than Fordham.

That being said, I agree with you that it's a trap. My cousin got 10 grand a year from them with a 170/3.6. It's shameful, quite frankly. They know that they can lure students in with the flashy Biglaw numbers, so they've hiked up tuition and barely give out any money. Going to Fordham without a significant scholarship is a huge risk.

In the Tri State Area, Fordham could be considered among the ranks of an Ivy League institution. They place about as many people from schools such as Harvard, Yale, NYU, etc.. in the top 100 firms in NY and surrounding cities. When you have a chance look it up on the firms websites, search for lawyers by law school.

[Moneytrees]

We know Fordham does well in Biglaw. But what if you don't get Biglaw? A 65% chance of getting a job, couple with Fordham's stinginess, is the reason why the school gets criticized so much. A large percentage of students graduate from Fordham with over 200k in debt and no job. Try telling them that Fordham is an Ivy League school.

[illmaticjones]

We know Fordham does well in Biglaw. But what if you don't get Biglaw? A 65% chance of getting a job, couple with Fordham's stinginess, is the reason why the school gets criticized so much. A large percentage of students graduate from Fordham with over 200k in debt and no job. Try telling them that Fordham is an Ivy League school.

I don't think that you would have a 65% chance of gaining employment especially from a school like Fordham. It can mean any number of things. I think it is most likely indicative of the amount of students who actually put in the effort to get a job. I live in NY and personally know that having a degree from that school goes a long way.

[illmaticjones]

If you are going to be a lawyer, do that, and actually put in the effort to accomplish your goals. A person shouldn't expect to be handed a job simply because you have a law degree.

[Moneytrees]

We know Fordham does well in Biglaw. But what if you don't get Biglaw? A 65% chance of getting a job, couple with Fordham's stinginess, is the reason why the school gets criticized so much. A large percentage of students graduate from Fordham with over 200k in debt and no job. Try telling them that Fordham is an Ivy League school.

I don't think that you would have a 65% chance of gaining employment especially from a school like Fordham. It can mean any number of things. I think it is most likely indicative of the amount of students who actually put in the effort to get a job. I live in NY and personally know that having a degree from that school goes a long way.

I live 30 minutes from NYC and know that Fordham has a good reputation. But facts are facts. Fordham barely places 65% of people into jobs. Ultimately, that is the best indication of how good a school.

And sure, a school shouldn't be expected to place every single student into a job. But it should do a lot better than 65%.

[illmaticjones]

We know Fordham does well in Biglaw. But what if you don't get Biglaw? A 65% chance of getting a job, couple with Fordham's stinginess, is the reason why the school gets criticized so much. A large percentage of students graduate from Fordham with over 200k in debt and no job. Try telling them that Fordham is an Ivy League school.

I don't think that you would have a 65% chance of gaining employment especially from a school like Fordham. It can mean any number of things. I think it is most likely indicative of the amount of students who actually put in the effort to get a job. I live in NY and personally know that having a degree from that school goes a long way.

I live 30 minutes from NYC and know that Fordham has a good reputation. But facts are facts. Fordham barely places 65% of people into jobs. Ultimately, that is the best indication of how good a school.

And sure, a school shouldn't be expected to place every single student into a job. But it should do a lot better than 65%.

When you say "Fordham barely places 65% of people into jobs" are you implying that the school is supposed to find and place/obtain employment for its students? Im sure that you understand that your grades as a student, your resume/ internships and interviews play a part in your placement? don't you?

[Wingtip88]

employment – uiuc wins 72.3 v 63.4
employment minus school funded - statistical tie 63.6 v 63.4
underemployment - uiuc wins 18.2 v 26.6
bl+a3 - fordham wins 36.6 v 28.2

idk if i buy it

50 students or so got Biglaw jobs from 2013's class of 231 people. If a similar number gets hired in the coming years as UIUC's class is reduced to only 170, 160 people, it's going to see a jump in employment and hopefully a big cut in underemployment. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

[cron1834]

Just lol at this "Fordham is an Ivy" bro. Dude are you even numerate?

Also, your "just work hard" argument was already shot down above. If every single Fordham student gave 110% effort, as did every student from every school, it wouldn't change the grading CURVE nor would it change the unemployment level. They would be exactly the same.

Is this flame?

[Winston1984]

If you are going to be a lawyer, do that, and actually put in the effort to accomplish your goals. A person shouldn't expect to be handed a job simply because you have a law degree.

Your boomerism is showing.

[Moneytrees]

We know Fordham does well in Biglaw. But what if you don't get Biglaw? A 65% chance of getting a job, couple with Fordham's stinginess, is the reason why the school gets criticized so much. A large percentage of students graduate from Fordham with over 200k in debt and no job. Try telling them that Fordham is an Ivy League school.

I don't think that you would have a 65% chance of gaining employment especially from a school like Fordham. It can mean any number of things. I think it is most likely indicative of the amount of students who actually put in the effort to get a job. I live in NY and personally know that having a degree from that school goes a long way.

I live 30 minutes from NYC and know that Fordham has a good reputation. But facts are facts. Fordham barely places 65% of people into jobs. Ultimately, that is the best indication of how good a school.

And sure, a school shouldn't be expected to place every single student into a job. But it should do a lot better than 65%.

When you say "Fordham barely places 65% of people into jobs" are you implying that the school is supposed to find and place/obtain employment for its students? Im sure that you understand that your grades as a student, your resume/ internships and interviews play a part in your placement? don't you?

So are you implying that around 40% of Forham's class doesn't deserve a job? Fordham's poor placement simply means that, year to year, your opportunities out of Fordham are not very good, hence, the school is not very good. The low employment numbers isn't just a one year dip. Every year, Fordham grads struggle to find jobs. It's not because they're incompetent, or bad at interviews. It's because they want to work in an over saturated market where NYU , Columbia and Cornell dominate.

You are way off.

[illmaticjones]

Lol, i would love to hear what schools all of you people bashing Fordham are going to. You guys honestly have a twisted idea of what its going to be like once you graduate from law school. If you all honestly think that your school is going to do anything for you in terms of obtaining employment, you need to grow up.

[illmaticjones]

Just lol at this "Fordham is an Ivy" bro. Dude are you even numerate?

Also, your "just work hard" argument was already shot down above. If every single Fordham student gave 110% effort, as did every student from every school, it wouldn't change the grading CURVE nor would it change the unemployment level. They would be exactly the same.

Is this flame?

Mind telling us your alma mater?