C/O 2017 Median LSAT/GPA/Class Size Forum

[Moneytrees]

10 % seems way too high and something you can only say with a retrospective cockiness (when you do have a job). It's probably more like 1-2 % flat out "not employable". Source: my ass.

No way it's 10% at a t14.

Probably higher than 10% at lower tier 1 on down

This seems reasonable. I didn't mean to imply that it's 10 percent at T14 schools, or even all tier 1 schools. It's just a number that I think could be realistic at an average school.

[isuperserial]

I'm excited to see ABA reports to see exactly how much money some schools threw around. Does anyone know if there is anywhere that has the data from previous reports in a spreadsheet or anything, or is the only way to go report to report?

All I know is UIUC threw around A LOT.

I was below both medians and got a 2/3rd scholly

Great WE? If not then wth?

I have shitty WE, straight out of undergrad, a mediocre LSAT and GPA, and I got just short of full. Long story short, UIUC was basically giving out free samples this year to make people interested in their product again. Looks like it worked! People like Bugsy and I made a bet that the downturn in the reputation was a momentary thing, and it looks like UIUC is playing it's cards right to make a return on that bet.

Seriously though, if they just stopped giving us pizza every day, nobody would have had to pay. I swear this place gives out food like it's their job.

[Mal Reynolds]

I'm excited to see ABA reports to see exactly how much money some schools threw around. Does anyone know if there is anywhere that has the data from previous reports in a spreadsheet or anything, or is the only way to go report to report?

All I know is UIUC threw around A LOT.

I was below both medians and got a 2/3rd scholly

Great WE? If not then wth?

I have shitty WE, straight out of undergrad, a mediocre LSAT and GPA, and I got just short of full. Long story short, UIUC was basically giving out free samples this year to make people interested in their product again. Looks like it worked! People like Bugsy and I made a bet that the downturn in the reputation was a momentary thing, and it looks like UIUC is playing it's cards right to make a return on that bet.

Seriously though, if they just stopped giving us pizza every day, nobody would have had to pay. I swear this place gives out food like it's their job.

Please here, try more of our shit. It's almost free! We promise once the scandals blow over we will return to our status as a below average law school.

[isuperserial]

All I know is UIUC threw around A LOT.

I was below both medians and got a 2/3rd scholly

Great WE? If not then wth?

I have shitty WE, straight out of undergrad, a mediocre LSAT and GPA, and I got just short of full. Long story short, UIUC was basically giving out free samples this year to make people interested in their product again. Looks like it worked! People like Bugsy and I made a bet that the downturn in the reputation was a momentary thing, and it looks like UIUC is playing it's cards right to make a return on that bet.

Seriously though, if they just stopped giving us pizza every day, nobody would have had to pay. I swear this place gives out food like it's their job.

Please here, try more of our shit. It's almost free! We promise once the scandals blow over we will return to our status as a below average law school.

[Mal Reynolds]

Sure I can tell the story again: You've been had. You're wasting your time and money.

[Moneytrees]

Sure I can tell the story again: You've been had. You're wasting your time and money.

Why is that? It's not a bad school if you want to live in the area and aren't set on Biglaw.

[illegallad]

Sure I can tell the story again: You've been had. You're wasting your time and money.

How do you waste money if you're going to school for free?

[03152016]

Sure I can tell the story again: You've been had. You're wasting your time and money.

How do you waste money if you're going to school for free?

well it's not really free if you consider 1/3 tuition + books + room + board + transportation, etc.

[arklaw13]

Sure I can tell the story again: You've been had. You're wasting your time and money.

Why is that? It's not a bad school if you want to live in the area and aren't set on Biglaw paying back your $100k+ loans.

ftfy

[bugsy33]

Sure I can tell the story again: You've been had. You're wasting your time and money.

Had by the top-25 employment stats or the 30% biglaw+fedclerk rate or maybe by the strong LRAP program for PI?

There are very few better choices in the Midwest for law school, and I know of none that are cheaper.

[McAvoy]

Sure I can tell the story again: You've been had. You're wasting your time and money.

How do you waste money if you're going to school for free?

well it's not really free if you consider 1/3 tuition + books + room + board + transportation, etc.

Also the whole not earning any income for three years thing. That's a pretty big cost.

LOL at spending three years of your life in Champaign though. That's the worst expense.

[McAvoy]

Sure I can tell the story again: You've been had. You're wasting your time and money.

Had by the top-25 employment stats or the 30% biglaw+fedclerk rate or maybe by the strong LRAP program for PI?

There are very few better choices in the Midwest for law school, and I know of none that are cheaper.

3.5% fedclerk is not good. A nine-month employment score of 63% is not good. A 6% public service score is not good. If you strike out at the 25% shot for a big firm, things are probably not looking good for you. Mal's overstating it but he has to w/ his shtick; you're definitely taking a risk by going there if you are seeking gainful employment -- don't get cocky in the school-inflated "top-25" employment stats.

[Moneytrees]

I'm not sure if it actually does have top 25 employment numbers. Outside of the T14, most of the schools between 15-25 have better numbers. Then you have regional schools like ND, BU, BC, Fordham that also have stronger employment outcomes. Two years ago, it only placed 50% if its graduating class into jobs. I get that it's improving and on the rise, but I would go easy on the "top 25" claims.

[jewkidontheblock]

Doesn't fordham have terrible numbers for a school in one of the better legal markets?

[Rigo]

I don't see how TLS can have a circle jerk over WUSTL yet have some big problem with UIUC.

[Moneytrees]

Doesn't fordham have terrible numbers for a school in one of the better legal markets?

Fordham has good employment numbers. The reason going to Fordham is virtually never going to be a good decision is because its extremely stingy with scholarship money.

[Mal Reynolds]

Sure I can tell the story again: You've been had. You're wasting your time and money.

Had by the top-25 employment stats or the 30% biglaw+fedclerk rate or maybe by the strong LRAP program for PI?

There are very few better choices in the Midwest for law school, and I know of none that are cheaper.

Just lol

[Mal Reynolds]

Sure I can tell the story again: You've been had. You're wasting your time and money.

Had by the top-25 employment stats or the 30% biglaw+fedclerk rate or maybe by the strong LRAP program for PI?

There are very few better choices in the Midwest for law school, and I know of none that are cheaper.

3.5% fedclerk is not good. A nine-month employment score of 63% is not good. A 6% public service score is not good. If you strike out at the 25% shot for a big firm, things are probably not looking good for you. Mal's overstating it but he has to w/ his shtick; you're definitely taking a risk by going there if you are seeking gainful employment -- don't get cocky in the school-inflated "top-25" employment stats.

Slightly better than a coin flip's chance of finding any legal job 9 months out is not overstating anything.

[Wingtip88]

The real strength that UIUC is going to have with job placement is the fact that they are slicing their class sizes by a wide margin. But that's something the vast majority of schools should be doing anyway.

It's a regional school with decent connections for the top students in a given class. Let's not make it something more or less than it is. Attending on full ride isn't the worst imaginable outcome. It's not like you're going to f---ing Kent or Loyola.

[star fox]

Sure I can tell the story again: You've been had. You're wasting your time and money.

How do you waste money if you're going to school for free?

well it's not really free if you consider 1/3 tuition + books + room + board + transportation, etc.

Also the whole not earning any income for three years thing. That's a pretty big cost.

LOL at spending three years of your life in Champaign though. That's the worst expense.

There's some upside to that. Namely that your rent will be dirt cheap which is a huge when you're living off student loans. UIUC has pretty comparable employment to WUSTL and the other "strong regionals". I don't think anyone should go of they're not from the state of Illinois but given the money they were throwing out this year there's probably worse decisions one could make of they're chasing some USNews prestige from the George Washingtons of the world..

[McAvoy]

Sure I can tell the story again: You've been had. You're wasting your time and money.

Had by the top-25 employment stats or the 30% biglaw+fedclerk rate or maybe by the strong LRAP program for PI?

There are very few better choices in the Midwest for law school, and I know of none that are cheaper.

3.5% fedclerk is not good. A nine-month employment score of 63% is not good. A 6% public service score is not good. If you strike out at the 25% shot for a big firm, things are probably not looking good for you. Mal's overstating it but he has to w/ his shtick; you're definitely taking a risk by going there if you are seeking gainful employment -- don't get cocky in the school-inflated "top-25" employment stats.

Slightly better than a coin flip's chance of finding any legal job 9 months out is not overstating anything.

I agree with you mostly, but it's not patently "a waste of time and money." If you have modest goals, a fully, and want to work in Illinois, I'd see UIUC as an acceptable option.

[Mal Reynolds]

But the person I told that to doesn't have a full scholarship.

[McAvoy]

But the person I told that to doesn't have a full scholarship.

Oh I thought you were saying it as a general statement. We're in agreement then.

At least we talked bugsy off that ledge of going to UW for sticker from OOS; this isn't as suicidal.

[should-i-do-it]

THIS THREAD IS FOR MEDIANS

[jk148706]