C/O 2017 Median LSAT/GPA/Class Size Forum

[bugsy33]

I'm excited to see ABA reports to see exactly how much money some schools threw around. Does anyone know if there is anywhere that has the data from previous reports in a spreadsheet or anything, or is the only way to go report to report?

All I know is UIUC threw around A LOT.

I was below both medians and got a 2/3rd scholly

[WichitaShocker]

I'm excited to see ABA reports to see exactly how much money some schools threw around. Does anyone know if there is anywhere that has the data from previous reports in a spreadsheet or anything, or is the only way to go report to report?

All I know is UIUC threw around A LOT.

I was below both medians and got a 2/3rd scholly

Ohh wow... I may have to reconsider applying there... Where you in state?

[bugsy33]

I'm excited to see ABA reports to see exactly how much money some schools threw around. Does anyone know if there is anywhere that has the data from previous reports in a spreadsheet or anything, or is the only way to go report to report?

All I know is UIUC threw around A LOT.

I was below both medians and got a 2/3rd scholly

Ohh wow... I may have to reconsider applying there... Where you in state?

Nope, out of state, white male, non STEM.

[WichitaShocker]

I'm excited to see ABA reports to see exactly how much money some schools threw around. Does anyone know if there is anywhere that has the data from previous reports in a spreadsheet or anything, or is the only way to go report to report?

All I know is UIUC threw around A LOT.

I was below both medians and got a 2/3rd scholly

Ohh wow... I may have to reconsider applying there... Where you in state?

Nope, out of state, white male, non STEM.

That's insane, congrats man.

[Moneytrees]

I would guess that around 10% of each class in law school is made up of people that are not employable. Some students are antisocial weirdos with awful interviewing skills, some went to law school just to party, some students are spoiled kids who never had to hustle for a job before, some just get terrible grades for whatever reason. It's unrealistic to say that law schools should place every student into a job. Come

[reasonable person]

I'm excited to see ABA reports to see exactly how much money some schools threw around. Does anyone know if there is anywhere that has the data from previous reports in a spreadsheet or anything, or is the only way to go report to report?

All I know is UIUC threw around A LOT.

I was below both medians and got a 2/3rd scholly

Great WE? If not then wth?

[BlueLotus]

Woah at BC's nosedive.

[Creditisgood]

Northeastern U is going to catch up: Higher 50gpa and 75 gpa than BC.
------------- 25L 50L 75L 25G 50G 75G Class
BC# ------ 159 162 164 3.32 3.51 3.64 230
NEastearn 153 161 162 3.25 3.53 3.68 128

[Rigo]

Northeastern U is going to catch up: Higher 50gpa and 75 gpa than BC.
------------ 25L 50L 75L 25G 50G 75G Class
BC# ------ 159 162 164 3.32 3.51 3.64 230
NEastearn 153 161 162 3.25 3.53 3.68 128

I don't understand how Northeastern has relatively good inputs (the highest median of all the Tier 2's and even higher than many Tier 1's) but it's outputs are so crappy. Are these fairly good NE matriculants not getting the memo?
Based on inputs, NE should be a pretty decent law school and be doing better. Is it just a victim of an over-saturated Boston legal market?

[LurkerShirker]

Northeastern U is going to catch up: Higher 50gpa and 75 gpa than BC.
------------ 25L 50L 75L 25G 50G 75G Class
BC# ------ 159 162 164 3.32 3.51 3.64 230
NEastearn 153 161 162 3.25 3.53 3.68 128

I don't understand how Northeastern has relatively good inputs (the highest median of all the Tier 2's and even higher than many Tier 1's) but it's outputs are so crappy. Are these fairly good NE matriculants not getting the memo?
Based on inputs, NE should be a pretty decent law school and be doing better. Is it just a victim of an over-saturated Boston legal market?

Need to look at more than the medians to compare. Bottom of NEern looks pretty crappy based on those 25% numbers, which is why the outputs are crappy.

[Rigo]

Northeastern U is going to catch up: Higher 50gpa and 75 gpa than BC.
------------ 25L 50L 75L 25G 50G 75G Class
BC# ------ 159 162 164 3.32 3.51 3.64 230
NEastearn 153 161 162 3.25 3.53 3.68 128

I don't understand how Northeastern has relatively good inputs (the highest median of all the Tier 2's and even higher than many Tier 1's) but it's outputs are so crappy. Are these fairly good NE matriculants not getting the memo?
Based on inputs, NE should be a pretty decent law school and be doing better. Is it just a victim of an over-saturated Boston legal market?

Need to look at more than the medians to compare. Bottom of NEern looks pretty crappy based on those 25% numbers, which is why the outputs are crappy.

But it's not much different from Tier 1's like Indiana Bloomington, for example.

[Bobzilla]

Northeastern has a much different law program and only started in 1997. It's ungraded. As in there's no class rank or GPA.

http://www.northeastern.edu/law/careers ... mwork.html

It's an interesting system, but I'm not sure employers are fond of having almost no idea what they're getting.

[Rigo]

Northeastern has a much different law program and only started in 1997. It's ungraded. As in there's no class rank or GPA.

http://www.northeastern.edu/law/careers ... mwork.html

It's an interesting system, but I'm not sure employers are fond of having almost no idea what they're getting.

No way to distinguish oneself academically sounds like a total nightmare in the TTT.

[03152016]

they have honors and high honors, which i assume is how the few people there who manage to get biglaw do it
which sort of defeats the purpose, if the desirable jobs that actually allow you to service your debt are only obtainable through some system of ranking students

[Moneytrees]

Northeastern U is going to catch up: Higher 50gpa and 75 gpa than BC.
------------ 25L 50L 75L 25G 50G 75G Class
BC# ------ 159 162 164 3.32 3.51 3.64 230
NEastearn 153 161 162 3.25 3.53 3.68 128

I don't understand how Northeastern has relatively good inputs (the highest median of all the Tier 2's and even higher than many Tier 1's) but it's outputs are so crappy. Are these fairly good NE matriculants not getting the memo?
Based on inputs, NE should be a pretty decent law school and be doing better. Is it just a victim of an over-saturated Boston legal market?

Yeah I've always thought this was interesting. It is a respectable school with downright poor employment numbers.

[Rigo]

they have honors and high honors, which i assume is how the few people there who manage to get biglaw do it
which sort of defeats the purpose, if the desirable jobs that actually allow you to service your debt are only obtainable through some system of ranking students

Their only grades are "Credit" or "Fail" for 1L classes. The honors or high honors is only for upper level classes.

Source

[03152016]

wow what a toilet

[star fox]

they have honors and high honors, which i assume is how the few people there who manage to get biglaw do it
which sort of defeats the purpose, if the desirable jobs that actually allow you to service your debt are only obtainable through some system of ranking students

Their only grades are "Credit" or "Fail" for 1L classes. The honors or high honors is only for upper level classes.

Source

Lol why would anyone ever study?

[Moneytrees]

they have honors and high honors, which i assume is how the few people there who manage to get biglaw do it
which sort of defeats the purpose, if the desirable jobs that actually allow you to service your debt are only obtainable through some system of ranking students

Their only grades are "Credit" or "Fail" for 1L classes. The honors or high honors is only for upper level classes.

Source

Interesting. It's one of those things that could probably work well at a top notch school with a fantastic reputation. Doesn't Yale have something similar to this? I can't imagine this system does any favors to NE grads.

[03152016]

they have honors and high honors, which i assume is how the few people there who manage to get biglaw do it
which sort of defeats the purpose, if the desirable jobs that actually allow you to service your debt are only obtainable through some system of ranking students

Their only grades are "Credit" or "Fail" for 1L classes. The honors or high honors is only for upper level classes.

Source

Interesting. It's one of those things that could probably work well at a top notch school with a fantastic reputation. Doesn't Yale have something similar to this? I can't imagine this system does any favors to NE grads.

honors, pass, low pass, fail
no one really fails tho

[Rigo]

they have honors and high honors, which i assume is how the few people there who manage to get biglaw do it
which sort of defeats the purpose, if the desirable jobs that actually allow you to service your debt are only obtainable through some system of ranking students

Their only grades are "Credit" or "Fail" for 1L classes. The honors or high honors is only for upper level classes.

Source

Interesting. It's one of those things that could probably work well at a top notch school with a fantastic reputation. Doesn't Yale have something similar to this? I can't imagine this system does any favors to NE grads.

Yale, Harvard, Stanford, and Berkeley don't use letter grades. They're respected schools though so they can get away with it. There are still honors distinctions though.

[NYCFAN1]

I would guess that around 10% of each class in law school is made up of people that are not employable. Some students are antisocial weirdos with awful interviewing skills, some went to law school just to party, some students are spoiled kids who never had to hustle for a job before, some just get terrible grades for whatever reason. It's unrealistic to say that law schools should place every student into a job. Come

Where do/did you go to school?

[star fox]

10 % seems way too high and something you can only say with a retrospective cockiness (when you do have a job). It's probably more like 1-2 % flat out "not employable". Source: my ass.

[NYCFAN1]

10 % seems way too high and something you can only say with a retrospective cockiness (when you do have a job). It's probably more like 1-2 % flat out "not employable". Source: my ass.

No way it's 10% at a t14.

Probably higher than 10% at lower tier 1 on down

[Moneytrees]

I would guess that around 10% of each class in law school is made up of people that are not employable. Some students are antisocial weirdos with awful interviewing skills, some went to law school just to party, some students are spoiled kids who never had to hustle for a job before, some just get terrible grades for whatever reason. It's unrealistic to say that law schools should place every student into a job. Come

Where do/did you go to school?

Why? I'm a 0L.

What I mean by unemployable is the type of student that law schools would have a tough time placing into a job, for whatever reason.

This is just speculation obviously, but you have to imagine that the very bottom of every class is screwed just for having low grades. Most employers don't want to hire students that placed at the very bottom of their classes in law school. On top of those students, you have a few that are antisocial/ plain bad at interviews, or that go into school with the absurd notion that jobs will be handed to them just because they enrolled in a reputable school (one of my best friends is unfortunately one of those guys. Didn't hustle at all and is currently unemployed from a T30).

It just seems kind of crazy to me to expect schools to place 100% of their student bodies into jobs. A number between 85-90 seems more reasonable/realistic.