C/O 2017 Median LSAT/GPA/Class Size Forum

[Rigo]

It wasn't really a substantial drop though. Doesn't really help you predict what happened.

True. I was just disputing the assertion that speculation is unwarranted.
UT and UVA are under more constraints because of the statutory residency thresholds they have to meet.
So whenever there is a drop, it is warranted to speculate that the pool of Texas residents applying is of a lesser quality or that more high quality Texas residents are matriculating elsewhere.

[xJD2017x]

Texas is probably the same, I think someone mentioned they lowered class size to about 303 or so. That's probably enough.

[Rigo]

Texas is probably the same, I think someone mentioned they lowered class size to about 303 or so. That's probably enough.

You're the one who posed the question.

[bound]

Texas is probably the same, I think someone mentioned they lowered class size to about 303 or so. That's probably enough.

You're the one who posed the question.

different user with a bunch of X's and JD's

[rebexness]

Texas admissions indicated today that they wont have new numbers until October.

[Rigo]

Texas is probably the same, I think someone mentioned they lowered class size to about 303 or so. That's probably enough.

You're the one who posed the question.

different user with a bunch of X's and JD's

Oh man. Sorry xJD2017x!

[eriedoctrine]

Mississippi Law

151/155/156 (-1/0/-1)
3.20/3.47/3.66 (+.07/+.01/-.01)

128 Enrolled (+11)

http://law.olemiss.edu/prospective-stud ... file-fact/

Woah pretty solid hold for a TTT...

eh, state flagship, highest ranked in a nativist state (by far) and one of the cheapest law schools in America, not that surprising IMO. The place to go if you want to practice law in MS (and have ties, of course).

Mississippi College's medians, on the other hand, is really something to watch.

No. You go to a T14 with $$$ and return to Mississippi, especially if you want biglaw in Jackson.

[Lord Randolph McDuff]

Mississippi Law

151/155/156 (-1/0/-1)
3.20/3.47/3.66 (+.07/+.01/-.01)

128 Enrolled (+11)

<a class="vglnk" title="Link added by VigLink" rel="nofollow" href="http://law.olemiss.edu/prospective-stud ... file-fact/[/quote"><span>http</span><span>://</span><span>law</span><span>.</span><span>olemiss</span><span>.</span><span>edu</span><span>/</span><span>prospective</span><span>-</span><span>students</span><span>/</span><span>class</span><span>-</span><span>profile</span><span>-</span><span>fact</span><span>/[/</span><span>quote</span></a>]

Woah pretty solid hold for a TTT...

eh, state flagship, highest ranked in a nativist state (by far) and one of the cheapest law schools in America, not that surprising IMO. The place to go if you want to practice law in MS (and have ties, of course).

Mississippi College's medians, on the other hand, is really something to watch.

No. You go to a T14 with $$$ and return to Mississippi, especially if you want biglaw in Jackson.

What percentage of wanna-be-lawyers in Mississippi want to work in the "big law" offices in Jackson? People are different than you. Life is like, complicated.

But seriously, if you did not want to work in the one or two offices in Mississippi that could come anywhere close to resembling big law, i.e., the vast majority of people who want to practice in Mississippi, then your advice is dogshit. You don't understand the business side of the law.

[MT Cicero]

Anyone posted NU yet? It's up as of a few hours ago: http://www.law.northwestern.edu/admissi ... ofile.html

162 (+1) / 168 (0) / 170 (-1)
3.52 (+0.22) / 3.75 (0) / 3.83 (+0.01)
244 JDs (+15)

*Edited for what should have been (-1) on the 75th.

[Lord Randolph McDuff]

Anyone posted NU yet? It's up as of a few hours ago: http://www.law.northwestern.edu/admissi ... ofile.html

162 (+1) / 168 (0) / 170 (0)
3.52 (+0.22) / 3.75 (0) / 3.83 (+0.01)
244 JDs (+15)

Holy numbers gaming, batman.

[runinthefront]

Anyone posted NU yet? It's up as of a few hours ago: http://www.law.northwestern.edu/admissi ... ofile.html

162 (+1) / 168 (0) / 170 (0)
3.52 (+0.22) / 3.75 (0) / 3.83 (+0.01)
244 JDs (+15)

Holy numbers gaming, batman.

I don't think NU is numbers gaming.

[MT Cicero]

Anyone posted NU yet? It's up as of a few hours ago: http://www.law.northwestern.edu/admissi ... ofile.html

162 (+1) / 168 (0) / 170 (-1)
3.52 (+0.22) / 3.75 (0) / 3.83 (+0.01)
244 JDs (+15)

Holy numbers gaming, batman.

Last year the spread was worse with a 161-171 25/75 LSAT and a much higher 25/75 GPA spread as well.

[Attax]

So for Texas:

No medians
Class size 303
I have talked with quite a few people there who have indicated that around 300 is the general class size now. Although with requirements, they could be lowering it if there aren't as many applicants with high LSATs so that way medians don't drop, but for admissions last year between profs and adcomms they seemed to indicate that 300 is the goal and probably shouldn't be reflection of medians.

[gta]

Anyone know what UCLA's reputation is with scholarships? It's an extremely expensive school but they've managed to still do quite well in medians the past couple of years. Are they know for being more generous than UT/Vandy?

This is anecdotal, but this cycle I negotiated with UCLA using a Vandy offer, and UCLA came back with a big increase that barely topped the offer from Vandy.

[Lord Randolph McDuff]

Anyone posted NU yet? It's up as of a few hours ago: http://www.law.northwestern.edu/admissi ... ofile.html

162 (+1) / 168 (0) / 170 (0)
3.52 (+0.22) / 3.75 (0) / 3.83 (+0.01)
244 JDs (+15)

Holy numbers gaming, batman.

I don't think NU is numbers gaming.

Pray tell, how else do you explain medians so close to 75%?

Looks like they are filling their class with big-time splitters and reverse splitters.

[eriedoctrine]

What percentage of wanna-be-lawyers in Mississippi want to work in the "big law" offices in Jackson? People are different than you. Life is like, complicated.

But seriously, if you did not want to work in the one or two offices in Mississippi that could come anywhere close to resembling big law, i.e., the vast majority of people who want to practice in Mississippi, then your advice is dogshit. You don't understand the business side of the law.

Even if you wanted to do shitlaw, you'd have a coinflip's chance with the state schools. Much easier getting hired back as a T14.

[Lord Randolph McDuff]

Anyone posted NU yet? It's up as of a few hours ago: http://www.law.northwestern.edu/admissi ... ofile.html

162 (+1) / 168 (0) / 170 (-1)
3.52 (+0.22) / 3.75 (0) / 3.83 (+0.01)
244 JDs (+15)

Holy numbers gaming, batman.

Last year the spread was worse with a 161-171 25/75 LSAT and a much higher 25/75 GPA spread as well.

It's nuts how much easier it is to get to LS compared to when I went. When I enrolled at my school (CU-B), the 25th LSAT was 161. That was NU's 25th LSAT last year!?!

I just graduated in May..

[Lord Randolph McDuff]

What percentage of wanna-be-lawyers in Mississippi want to work in the "big law" offices in Jackson? People are different than you. Life is like, complicated.

But seriously, if you did not want to work in the one or two offices in Mississippi that could come anywhere close to resembling big law, i.e., the vast majority of people who want to practice in Mississippi, then your advice is dogshit. You don't understand the business side of the law.

Even if you wanted to do shitlaw, you'd have a coinflip's chance with the state schools. Much easier getting hired back as a T14.

Have you honestly thought this through? Or are you just lazy and don't want to analyze data?

[stellina]

What percentage of wanna-be-lawyers in Mississippi want to work in the "big law" offices in Jackson? People are different than you. Life is like, complicated.

But seriously, if you did not want to work in the one or two offices in Mississippi that could come anywhere close to resembling big law, i.e., the vast majority of people who want to practice in Mississippi, then your advice is dogshit. You don't understand the business side of the law.

Even if you wanted to do shitlaw, you'd have a coinflip's chance with the state schools. Much easier getting hired back as a T14.

Have you honestly thought this through? Or are you just lazy and don't want to analyze data?

But t14 means the national law schools. That means you can go anywhere with them and everyone would rather have you because you're prestigious.

[star fox]

Anyone posted NU yet? It's up as of a few hours ago: http://www.law.northwestern.edu/admissi ... ofile.html

162 (+1) / 168 (0) / 170 (0)
3.52 (+0.22) / 3.75 (0) / 3.83 (+0.01)
244 JDs (+15)

Holy numbers gaming, batman.

I don't think NU is numbers gaming.

Pray tell, how else do you explain medians so close to 75%?

Looks like they are filling their class with big-time splitters and reverse splitters.

NU is notoriously Splitter friendly so it makes sense that they'd throw in some big reverse splitters also to balance it out.

[stellina]

You can see the effect of more high scorers. Look at that huge 25th gpa increase. Not having to drop down as much to keep to LSAT median.

[runinthefront]

I don't think NU games the system any more or less than any other T14. I don't know, I'm really under the impression that the school does make an honest effort to take significant work experience and accomplishments into consideration, in an attempt to really align itself the with its business school. The entire school itself is very transactional focused. I wouldn't equate a large LSAT spread with "gaming the system." I mean...at least, I don't know. That's my thought on the subject

All schools game the system but I don't think NU is egregious in that regard

[Rigo]

That rise in a Northwestern's 25% GPA is pretty substantial. Brings it in line with its peers.

[reasonable person]

What percentage of wanna-be-lawyers in Mississippi want to work in the "big law" offices in Jackson? People are different than you. Life is like, complicated.

But seriously, if you did not want to work in the one or two offices in Mississippi that could come anywhere close to resembling big law, i.e., the vast majority of people who want to practice in Mississippi, then your advice is dogshit. You don't understand the business side of the law.

Even if you wanted to do shitlaw, you'd have a coinflip's chance with the state schools. Much easier getting hired back as a T14.

Have you honestly thought this through? Or are you just lazy and don't want to analyze data?

But t14 means the national law schools. That means you can go anywhere with them and everyone would rather have you because you're prestigious.

This. Erie is 100% on the money and I'm sure the same logic applies everywhere.
I have a friend from Seattle who just graduated and one from Pittsburgh who graduated back in 2011 when the market was rough as hell. They didn't go to UW or Pitt.
They went to a T14 and came back to biglaw easily, and they had tons of midlaw/shitlaw offers. One was at median and the other bottom 1/3.

However, can we stop deviating and get back to the fking medians?

[isuperserial]

Even if you wanted to do shitlaw, you'd have a coinflip's chance with the state schools. Much easier getting hired back as a T14.

Have you honestly thought this through? Or are you just lazy and don't want to analyze data?

But t14 means the national law schools. That means you can go anywhere with them and everyone would rather have you because you're prestigious.

This. Erie is 100% on the money and I'm sure the same logic applies everywhere.
I have a friend from Seattle who just graduated and one from Pittsburgh who graduated back in 2011 when the market was rough as hell. They didn't go to UW or Pitt.
They went to a T14 and came back to biglaw easily, and they had tons of midlaw/shitlaw offers. One was at median and the other bottom 1/3.

However, can we stop deviating and get back to the fking medians?

This neglects the obvious answer that if you can go to a T14, you can go for free to your state flagship (usually). A full ride to Iowa, if you want to work in Iowa, is superior to sticker at a T14 in so many ways. If you don't care about biglaw, which you shouldn't if you want to work in a flyover state, then going to a T14 without a significant discount would actually be stupid.

Remember that the key here is "if you don't want biglaw". Obviously if you want that, Harvard is going to take you further than Mississippi. But if you don't, taking a full ride at Mississippi is almost certainly a better option than taking out insane loans from Harvard to get the same job anyway.