U. of Illinois Law suspends Dean of Admissions Forum

[minnbills]

I do not understand. Pics of what?

They want pics of you...

[dreakol]

I do not understand. Pics of what?

They want pics of you...

not all of her

[emkay625]

Here is my question about this: HOW did it happen?

Not the making up stuff, but the median. How does your median LSAT fall FOUR points in one year?! That drop is insane.

Pics and we'll tell you.

I do not understand. Pics of what?

tyft

thank you for trying?

i get more confused as we go.

[romothesavior]

Here is my question about this: HOW did it happen?

Not the making up stuff, but the median. How does your median LSAT fall FOUR points in one year?! That drop is insane.

Pics and we'll tell you.

I do not understand. Pics of what?

Sigh... it was a joke. TLS-style.

Anyways, a few people have explained how it is possible ITT. Basically, if you are really playing games with your medians to begin with, you can possibly be burned. If a few of your 167/168s don't matriculate and you don't have many 164-166s, then you get hurt bad. I am also shocked that they fell this far, but that's the gist of how it works.

[emkay625]

I do not understand. Pics of what?

They want pics of you...

Oh.

This is a self-tar. If you want more, they are in the waiting thread.

Warning: they are of me eating giant hunks of meat. No, that is not a euphemism.

[emkay625]

Here is my question about this: HOW did it happen?

Not the making up stuff, but the median. How does your median LSAT fall FOUR points in one year?! That drop is insane.

Pics and we'll tell you.

I do not understand. Pics of what?

Sigh... it was a joke. TLS-style.

Anyways, a few people have explained how it is possible ITT. Basically, if you are really playing games with your medians to begin with, you can possibly be burned. If a few of your 167/168s don't matriculate and you don't have many 164-166s, then you get hurt bad. I am also shocked that they fell this far, but that's the gist of how it works.

Sucks to be Illinois. It just seems like it would have to be a perfect-storm-esque situation when it came down to who matriculated.

[blurbz]

Had lunch with a prof the other day and he said there's another way this whole thing could have gone down:

All schools pick a date and time to finalize the class for reporting purposes. At Illinois that date and time is 9:00 a.m. on the first day of 1L orientation. At that time, the admissions folks tally everything up and make it official. After that time, a few people might leave the class because they got off of waitlists at other schools and a few people might join the class after getting off of the Illinois waitlist. Because "census" was already taken and the class was finalized for reporting purposes, these last minute additions and subtractions would not factor into the reported numbers. Now that there are independent auditors, it's possible that they are looking at the people who are actually in the class rather than the people who were in the class at 9:00 a.m. on the first day of orientation.

As a side note, this professor believes that the books were cooked this year, but that the above might explain the small (1 point) differences in previous years.

Interesting possibility.

[Helmholtz]

Had lunch with a prof the other day and he said there's another way this whole thing could have gone down:

All schools pick a date and time to finalize the class for reporting purposes. At Illinois that date and time is 9:00 a.m. on the first day of 1L orientation. At that time, the admissions folks tally everything up and make it official. After that time, a few people might leave the class because they got off of waitlists at other schools and a few people might join the class after getting off of the Illinois waitlist. Because "census" was already taken and the class was finalized for reporting purposes, these last minute additions and subtractions would not factor into the reported numbers. Now that there are independent auditors, it's possible that they are looking at the people who are actually in the class rather than the people who were in the class at 9:00 a.m. on the first day of orientation.

As a side note, this professor believes that the books were cooked this year, but that the above might explain the small (1 point) differences in previous years.

Interesting possibility.

I thought that they looked at the last ten years and only the past few were ones in which the data was off—the preceding years were completely clean. Little too much of a coincidence for me.

[minnbills]

I see you read GQ helm...

Anyways, any UIUC students want to fill us in if any new developments have come up?

[romothesavior]

Had lunch with a prof the other day and he said there's another way this whole thing could have gone down:

All schools pick a date and time to finalize the class for reporting purposes. At Illinois that date and time is 9:00 a.m. on the first day of 1L orientation. At that time, the admissions folks tally everything up and make it official. After that time, a few people might leave the class because they got off of waitlists at other schools and a few people might join the class after getting off of the Illinois waitlist. Because "census" was already taken and the class was finalized for reporting purposes, these last minute additions and subtractions would not factor into the reported numbers. Now that there are independent auditors, it's possible that they are looking at the people who are actually in the class rather than the people who were in the class at 9:00 a.m. on the first day of orientation.

As a side note, this professor believes that the books were cooked this year, but that the above might explain the small (1 point) differences in previous years.

Interesting possibility.

I thought that they looked at the last ten years and only the past few were ones in which the data was off—the preceding years were completely clean. Little too much of a coincidence for me.

+1. Seems highly implausible.

[Kilpatrick]

I see you read GQ helm...

Anyways, any UIUC students want to fill us in if any new developments have come up?

Nothing new

[bjsesq]

I see you read GQ helm...

Anyways, any UIUC students want to fill us in if any new developments have come up?

Nothing new

I hear you play wow. I bet you suck. To prove me wrong, plz see wow thread.

[Kilpatrick]

I see you read GQ helm...

Anyways, any UIUC students want to fill us in if any new developments have come up?

Nothing new

I hear you play wow. I bet you suck. To prove me wrong, plz see wow thread.

Hahaha I have never played Wow in my life. If I did I would probably suck. I like my video game experiences to not involve other people

[bjsesq]

I see you read GQ helm...

Anyways, any UIUC students want to fill us in if any new developments have come up?

Nothing new

I hear you play wow. I bet you suck. To prove me wrong, plz see wow thread.

Hahaha I have never played Wow in my life. If I did I would probably suck. I like my video game experiences to not involve other people

Oh. Wrong guy. Ummmmmmmm...........






































Sup?

[Holly Golightly]

You fucking loser.

[cheeseburger]

Had lunch with a prof the other day and he said there's another way this whole thing could have gone down:

All schools pick a date and time to finalize the class for reporting purposes. At Illinois that date and time is 9:00 a.m. on the first day of 1L orientation. At that time, the admissions folks tally everything up and make it official. After that time, a few people might leave the class because they got off of waitlists at other schools and a few people might join the class after getting off of the Illinois waitlist. Because "census" was already taken and the class was finalized for reporting purposes, these last minute additions and subtractions would not factor into the reported numbers. Now that there are independent auditors, it's possible that they are looking at the people who are actually in the class rather than the people who were in the class at 9:00 a.m. on the first day of orientation.

As a side note, this professor believes that the books were cooked this year, but that the above might explain the small (1 point) differences in previous years.

Interesting possibility.

lol
tyft

[Wart]

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[Kilpatrick]

Haha well I'm not holding out high hopes for those clubs accomplishing anything considering they couldn't even bother to show up on time.

[romothesavior]

Has Pless been fired yet or what?

[NYC Law]

Has Pless been fired yet or what?

I'm guessing so, he still isn't listed anywhere on the administrative directory.

Also, not sure if this has been posted yet:
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011 ... w-students

The consequences of the university's inaccurate admissions data could be more severe than a slide in the rankings, however. Last week, the university, in a second announcement, said that the law school had submitted false admissions data to the American Bar Association and U.S. News magazine in 2008, 2009 and 2010. GPAs and LSAT scores are reported to the ABA as part of its accreditation process.

Looks like the school is under ABA review

[CanadianWolf]

His name was removed when the scandal became public.

[vanwinkle]

Also, not sure if this has been posted yet:
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2011 ... w-students

The consequences of the university's inaccurate admissions data could be more severe than a slide in the rankings, however. Last week, the university, in a second announcement, said that the law school had submitted false admissions data to the American Bar Association and U.S. News magazine in 2008, 2009 and 2010. GPAs and LSAT scores are reported to the ABA as part of its accreditation process.

Looks like the school is under ABA review

From the same article you cite/quote:

Paul Pless, law school admissions dean, was put on leave last month when the university launched its internal investigation.

So he's "on leave" right now, in that unpleasant purgatory between employment and termination.

[MBZags]

The report is apparently due out at 5 p.m. today.

[romothesavior]

The report is apparently due out at 5 p.m. today.

What report?

[MBZags]

I'm assuming it's the report by the attorney they brought in from Jones Day. I'm not exactly sure, though, I've just heard that "the report" is coming out today.