MANY QUESTIONS! URM/REPEAT CLASSES/ETC Forum

[prospectiveT14]

You want your statistics so bad? 42% of people who are repeat DUI get a BAC of over .15

Tell me, how has the legal system helped anyone? Do you know what recidivism is and what contributes to it? Someone's self perception of how they view themselves in society can greatly contribute to a repeat offense. They already got slapped on the "first time offender" and say "shit, whatever, I'm already screwed" and do it again, and do it again MORESO with double the BAC!

We are wrongfully stigmatizing people to the point their future jobs are compromised because of ONE "grave mistake' Their futures, their dignity, their sanity. You don't care because you probably haven't seen anyone in your life who has suffered from the effects.

Police try to "save lives" by stopping drinking and driving but they don't stop to think about ruined lives.

[Barack O'Drama]

You've argued literally EVERYTHING everyone has said. OP You are officially a dick. If you read the link it tells you what the other's are doing. 30%+ are unemployed. So, yes, maybe they are using their JD to get pussy at the local bar and then drive home to their parent's house at 27. Then when they get pulled over they can say "I'm a lawyer, you can't do this!" That is one way they could be using this.

Your evidence for UM being a good school is that a guy who detonated bombs in the military went there? LMAO. Yeah, that has to be a good school then! - I never said UM is a "good school." They recruit exceptional people (look at the miami scholars thing) Even with that, though, it's not considered a top school at all.
One anecdote that couldn't be more irrelevant is your basis for arguing with statistics showing that 30% of the people from that school a year out don't have jobs period. Not just that they decided to do something else with the JD, but that they couldn't get a job worth doing at all. If you want to argue with statistics, fine. Yeah, you're right, I'm sure people with great legal jobs are just lying and saying they don't have them.

OK. Well even if you want to ignore statistics do you think the median GPA (3.3) and median LSAT (156) make for a good school? Those aren't fudged or made up.

Seriously, don't go to law school. All you do is make excuses for yourself and it's really sad, especially as someone on the older side of things. You were legally drunk, deal with it. It doesn't matter if you want to argue you were sober.

LOL it sounds like YOU shouldn't go into law school. Your job is going to be to "make excuses" for your clients. Oh my god. Honestly. What do you think people do in law school? {/b]

LOL. You are so misguided and usually I am a nice guy and like to help anyone I can, but you'll just refute anything I say. So, yes, that is what lawyers and law students do. In law school you learn Contracts, Torts, Crim Pro, Con Law, Property, and of course, Excuses.

that'll probably separate you from good attorneys later in life with that logic... your inability (shame/fear...conditioning) to find a successful legal loophole to defend your client. you seem to think that everyone who makes is a mistake in guilty. so really, why do you want to become a lawyer?

You do know that not all lawyers are criminal DUI defense attorneys? You keep referring to clients and defending them and all this shit as if I gave you the slightest inkling that is what I want to do. When, in fact, I couldn't think of a type of law I'd rather less practice than DUI defense law.

And if you think the ol' "Well I was legally drunk, but I felt sober" argument is a "loophole" that lawyers use to defend clients, you are sadly mistaken.
I seem to think everyone who makes a mistake is guilty? Uh.. No I didn't mention anything of the sort. I never even used the words mistake, guilty, everyone, etc in any order to make you think that. You're just a nasty bitch who likes to argue with everyone who is trying to help you. You misrepresent people's advice as attacks on you and you are clearly sensitive that you are a 27 year old loser who lives at home with 7 Fs on your transcript. You have a very misguided perception of what you think law school and being a lawyer is, and it doesn't involved a persecution complex, arguing with everyone who is trying to help you, and making excuses.

You had the answers to all you questions before you posted on here. The answers were: I will get a boost, I can have the dean change my grades, UM is a great school, driving drunk is a moral grey area, and statistics don't apply to me. You're the exception!

[Mikey]

Well TT turned around pretty quick, whoa. OP, you're an adult, the DUI incident is said and done, just take responsibility for your actions. As A. Nony has said, it will more than likely not impact your admissions chances, but don't make excuses for it by saying the cop is to blame for the most part, because no one forced you to drive under the influence.

And no one forced him to send me to jail. See: discretion

See: the laundry list of legal mistakes he made that I can't even testify in court bc no footage and an acquittal is still a with adj

Legal system is messed up, will say it again. The issue is not whether I drink or drive, it's how law enforcement reacts to it after the fact.

Yes, the legal system can in fact be screwed up sometimes, but that alone doesn't justify your drinking and driving. You voluntarily chose to expose yourself by drinking and driving which gave the police officer the right to pull you over and arrest you.

[prospectiveT14]

You do know that not all lawyers are criminal DUI defense attorneys? Never said that.Not once You keep referring to clients and defending them and all this shit as if I gave you the slightest inkling that is what I want to do. When, in fact, I couldn't think of a type of law I'd rather less practice than DUI defense law. You don't have to represent DUI clients to represent clients in general. You seem to think that defending yourself is equivalent to "making an excuse."

You're just a nasty bitch who likes to argue with everyone who is trying to help you. You misrepresent people's advice as attacks on you and you are clearly sensitive that you are a 27 year old loser who lives at home with 7 Fs on your transcript. Mature now are we!? You have a very misguided perception of what you think law school and being a lawyer is, and it doesn't involved a persecution complex, arguing with everyone who is trying to help you, and making excuses. Didn't argue with everyone, said thank you various times and "I agree with your point" and "you're right" guess you missed all that in search of your dire need to insult someone.

You had the answers to all you questions before you posted on here. The answers were: I will get a boost, I can have the dean change my grades, UM is a great school, driving drunk is a moral grey area, and statistics don't apply to me. You're the exception!

Never said UM is a great school (for the MILLIONTH time), I was actually asking people more about how they financed it because it's $50k. Never said stats don't apply either - just that they've been proven to be unreliable and that's why I don't decide my future on them [/quote]

Why do you keep replying to someone who you think is such a low life bitch? Seems like a pretty bad way to waste your time.

[LandMermaid]

You do know that not all lawyers are criminal DUI defense attorneys? Never said that.Not once You keep referring to clients and defending them and all this shit as if I gave you the slightest inkling that is what I want to do. When, in fact, I couldn't think of a type of law I'd rather less practice than DUI defense law. You don't have to represent DUI clients to represent clients in general. You seem to think that defending yourself is equivalent to "making an excuse."

You're just a nasty bitch who likes to argue with everyone who is trying to help you. You misrepresent people's advice as attacks on you and you are clearly sensitive that you are a 27 year old loser who lives at home with 7 Fs on your transcript. Mature now are we!? You have a very misguided perception of what you think law school and being a lawyer is, and it doesn't involved a persecution complex, arguing with everyone who is trying to help you, and making excuses. Didn't argue with everyone, said thank you various times and "I agree with your point" and "you're right" guess you missed all that in search of your dire need to insult someone.

You had the answers to all you questions before you posted on here. The answers were: I will get a boost, I can have the dean change my grades, UM is a great school, driving drunk is a moral grey area, and statistics don't apply to me. You're the exception!

Never said UM is a great school (for the MILLIONTH time), I was actually asking people more about how they financed it because it's $50k. Never said stats don't apply either - just that they've been proven to be unreliable and that's why I don't decide my future on them

Why do you keep replying to someone who you think is such a low life bitch? Seems like a pretty bad way to waste your time.[/quote]

So are you skipping work for this or

[cavalier1138]

LOL it sounds like YOU shouldn't go into law school. Your job is going to be to "make excuses" for your clients. Oh my god. Honestly. What do you think people do in law school?

...What do you think people do in law school?

Because I assure you that it isn't what you're doing in this thread.

[A. Nony Mouse]

You want your statistics so bad? 42% of people who are repeat DUI get a BAC of over .15

Tell me, how has the legal system helped anyone? Do you know what recidivism is and what contributes to it? Someone's self perception of how they view themselves in society can greatly contribute to a repeat offense. They already got slapped on the "first time offender" and say "shit, whatever, I'm already screwed" and do it again, and do it again MORESO with double the BAC!

We are wrongfully stigmatizing people to the point their future jobs are compromised because of ONE "grave mistake' Their futures, their dignity, their sanity. You don't care because you probably haven't seen anyone in your life who has suffered from the effects.

Police try to "save lives" by stopping drinking and driving but they don't stop to think about ruined lives.

What does that statistic mean?

Are you saying you're going to go out and reoffend?

[prospectiveT14]

You want your statistics so bad? 42% of people who are repeat DUI get a BAC of over .15

Tell me, how has the legal system helped anyone? Do you know what recidivism is and what contributes to it? Someone's self perception of how they view themselves in society can greatly contribute to a repeat offense. They already got slapped on the "first time offender" and say "shit, whatever, I'm already screwed" and do it again, and do it again MORESO with double the BAC!

We are wrongfully stigmatizing people to the point their future jobs are compromised because of ONE "grave mistake' Their futures, their dignity, their sanity. You don't care because you probably haven't seen anyone in your life who has suffered from the effects.

Police try to "save lives" by stopping drinking and driving but they don't stop to think about ruined lives.

What does that statistic mean?

Are you saying you're going to go out and reoffend?

omg. I'm really concerned about your reading comprehension skills. What did you get on your LSAT?

[lymenheimer]

Never said stats don't apply either - just that they've been proven to be unreliable and that's why I don't decide my future on them

[prospectiveT14]

lmao and I never said "I will get a boost"

I asked the jury to deliberate on the URM issue because I kept getting mixed answers (understandably so as Romanian isn't really an ethnicity discussed often)

my god my god idkkkkkk how people invent sentences I never said!!

[lymenheimer]

omg. I'm really concerned about your reading comprehension skills. What did you get on your LSAT?

[cavalier1138]

You want your statistics so bad? 42% of people who are repeat DUI get a BAC of over .15

Tell me, how has the legal system helped anyone? Do you know what recidivism is and what contributes to it? Someone's self perception of how they view themselves in society can greatly contribute to a repeat offense. They already got slapped on the "first time offender" and say "shit, whatever, I'm already screwed" and do it again, and do it again MORESO with double the BAC!

We are wrongfully stigmatizing people to the point their future jobs are compromised because of ONE "grave mistake' Their futures, their dignity, their sanity. You don't care because you probably haven't seen anyone in your life who has suffered from the effects.

Police try to "save lives" by stopping drinking and driving but they don't stop to think about ruined lives.

What does that statistic mean?

Are you saying you're going to go out and reoffend?

omg. I'm really concerned about your reading comprehension skills. What did you get on your LSAT?

Why are you concerned about their comprehension skills? You literally said, "Someone's self perception of how they view themselves in society can greatly contribute to a repeat offense. They already got slapped on the "first time offender" and say "shit, whatever, I'm already screwed" and do it again, and do it again MORESO with double the BAC!"

Since you fall into this group, it certainly sounds like you're saying your at risk to reoffend. And since you have engaged in this ridiculous game of self-delusion where you have convinced yourself that drinking and driving isn't all that big a deal, I'd put good money on you being dumb enough to do it again.

[prospectiveT14]

You want your statistics so bad? 42% of people who are repeat DUI get a BAC of over .15

Tell me, how has the legal system helped anyone? Do you know what recidivism is and what contributes to it? Someone's self perception of how they view themselves in society can greatly contribute to a repeat offense. They already got slapped on the "first time offender" and say "shit, whatever, I'm already screwed" and do it again, and do it again MORESO with double the BAC!

We are wrongfully stigmatizing people to the point their future jobs are compromised because of ONE "grave mistake' Their futures, their dignity, their sanity. You don't care because you probably haven't seen anyone in your life who has suffered from the effects.

Police try to "save lives" by stopping drinking and driving but they don't stop to think about ruined lives.

What does that statistic mean?

Are you saying you're going to go out and reoffend?

omg. I'm really concerned about your reading comprehension skills. What did you get on your LSAT?

Why are you concerned about their comprehension skills? You literally said, "Someone's self perception of how they view themselves in society can greatly contribute to a repeat offense. They already got slapped on the "first time offender" and say "shit, whatever, I'm already screwed" and do it again, and do it again MORESO with double the BAC!"

Since you fall into this group, it certainly sounds like you're saying your at risk to reoffend. And since you have engaged in this ridiculous game of self-delusion where you have convinced yourself that drinking and driving isn't all that big a deal, I'd put good money on you being dumb enough to do it again.

Yes, I am at risk, that doesn't mean I will reoffend. Shedding light on important stigmatization issues. Thks

Never said drinking and driving is not a big deal. Once again, someone trying to put words in my mouth to promote their point because they really don't have any logical points to stand on.

[TuxedoCats]

From one non-traditional female applicant to another, I'm going to make one more attempt at this.

Grades: Your only option is to keep your GPA up for the rest of your time in undergrad and try to get those Fs changed into something else. They won't go away entirely. The LSAC UGPA recalculation was not kind to me, and I wrote an addendum to explain. Do some research on writing addendums, what you should and shouldn't say, how to take responsibility, etc. That's the best you can do.

Character and Fitness: You will need to disclose your arrest. Do this in very simple terms, state the facts, and take responsibility. Do not make excuses for your behavior, and above all, do not blame the cops. That will not get you into law school.

If you are in trauma therapy, you are obviously traumatized, and you are doing the right thing for your mental health. Yelling at people on message boards (especially after you asked for advice) is not conducive to healing, and you aren't going to change anyone's mind.

[lymenheimer]

drinking and driving is not a big deal.

Wow. That's a pretty extreme position to hold.

[prospectiveT14]

From one non-traditional female applicant to another, I'm going to make one more attempt at this.

Grades: Your only option is to keep your GPA up for the rest of your time in undergrad and try to get those Fs changed into something else. They won't go away entirely. The LSAC UGPA recalculation was not kind to me, and I wrote an addendum to explain. Do some research on writing addendums, what you should and shouldn't say, how to take responsibility, etc. That's the best you can do.

Character and Fitness: You will need to disclose your arrest. Do this in very simple terms, state the facts, and take responsibility. Do not make excuses for your behavior, and above all, do not blame the cops. That will not get you into law school.

If you are in trauma therapy, you are obviously traumatized, and you are doing the right thing for your mental health. Yelling at people on message boards (especially after you asked for advice) is not conducive to healing, and you aren't going to change anyone's mind.

No one is yelling. If you are taking that from me capitalizing words for emphasis or showing frustration that people seem to keep putting words in my mouth (which I have proven for at least 5 posts) then you're incorrect. I'm not shouting or insulting anyone, funny how I'm the one being called a "dick" a "bitch" a "loser who lives at home" and me giving controlled, direct responses to the logical weaknesses in their statements makes me somehow the emotional one.

Healing begins by talking about it, and I think informing others about a situation (despite them thinking that my situation is not a big deal, not enough to defend myself anyway) the way it happened to me, promotes awareness.

I had a very antagonizing police officer who punished cooperation and honesty and lied to my face, on a report, and even got other cops to sign off on a report as witnesses when they weren't even there to witness the "traffic violation" or the arrest itself.

I am very frustrated with the legal system, and yes I do plan to advocate change - despite the people who have posted on this forum so far that my situation makes me somehow "delusional" or "meh" about drinking and driving.

[TuxedoCats]

From one non-traditional female applicant to another, I'm going to make one more attempt at this.

Grades: Your only option is to keep your GPA up for the rest of your time in undergrad and try to get those Fs changed into something else. They won't go away entirely. The LSAC UGPA recalculation was not kind to me, and I wrote an addendum to explain. Do some research on writing addendums, what you should and shouldn't say, how to take responsibility, etc. That's the best you can do.

Character and Fitness: You will need to disclose your arrest. Do this in very simple terms, state the facts, and take responsibility. Do not make excuses for your behavior, and above all, do not blame the cops. That will not get you into law school.

If you are in trauma therapy, you are obviously traumatized, and you are doing the right thing for your mental health. Yelling at people on message boards (especially after you asked for advice) is not conducive to healing, and you aren't going to change anyone's mind.

No one is yelling. If you are taking that from me capitalizing words for emphasis or showing frustration that people seem to keep putting words in my mouth (which I have proven for at least 5 posts) then you're incorrect. I'm not shouting or insulting anyone, funny how I'm the one being called a "dick" a "bitch" a "loser who lives at home" and me giving controlled, direct responses to the logical weaknesses in their statements makes me somehow the emotional one.

Any substantive comments on my actual advice?

[prospectiveT14]

From one non-traditional female applicant to another, I'm going to make one more attempt at this.

Grades: Your only option is to keep your GPA up for the rest of your time in undergrad and try to get those Fs changed into something else. They won't go away entirely. The LSAC UGPA recalculation was not kind to me, and I wrote an addendum to explain. Do some research on writing addendums, what you should and shouldn't say, how to take responsibility, etc. That's the best you can do.

Character and Fitness: You will need to disclose your arrest. Do this in very simple terms, state the facts, and take responsibility. Do not make excuses for your behavior, and above all, do not blame the cops. That will not get you into law school.

If you are in trauma therapy, you are obviously traumatized, and you are doing the right thing for your mental health. Yelling at people on message boards (especially after you asked for advice) is not conducive to healing, and you aren't going to change anyone's mind.

No one is yelling. If you are taking that from me capitalizing words for emphasis or showing frustration that people seem to keep putting words in my mouth (which I have proven for at least 5 posts) then you're incorrect. I'm not shouting or insulting anyone, funny how I'm the one being called a "dick" a "bitch" a "loser who lives at home" and me giving controlled, direct responses to the logical weaknesses in their statements makes me somehow the emotional one.

Any substantive comments on my actual advice?

If in 2 years I have actually led to any change or a lawsuit comes about towards the police officer, I believe I'm going to talk about it in a little more detail on the arrest addendum. I would have to explain why I believe he was in the wrong in how he mistreated me and how it led to a lawsuit and how it greatly affected my mental health.

It's kind of awkward to be curt with an arrest explanation. Yes I can take responsibility and say I shouldn't drink and drive and that my actions have definitely changed since then (they have, but unfortunately to a paranoid degree. I get startled when I see cop cars, even to the point it makes me uneasy to drive.) I visited MADD and spoke with the victims and hugged them, had long conversations with them.

I actually felt like despite everything they were the ones who showed the most compassion, funny enough.

But yeah the addendum is something I've never had to do and it's pretty scary to think about how one law school application has so much weight. I hope that the application don't specify even sealed arrests. Gah.

[lymenheimer]

It's kind of awkward to be curt with an arrest explanation. Yes I can take responsibility and say I shouldn't drink and drive and that my actions have definitely changed since then (they have, but unfortunately to a paranoid degree. I get startled when I see cop cars, even to the point it makes me uneasy to drive.) I visited MADD and spoke with the victims and hugged them, had long conversations with them.

Would you say that you got PTSD from drunk driving and being subsequently arrested?

[prospectiveT14]

I think 2016 will change the "traditional applicant" thing to make it backwards. More people are taking time off before entering law school.

It's honestly a good idea, I wouldn't have had the commitment and clarity to go 4 years ago, age definitely helps add layers to your understanding of where you want to be.

[prospectiveT14]

It's kind of awkward to be curt with an arrest explanation. Yes I can take responsibility and say I shouldn't drink and drive and that my actions have definitely changed since then (they have, but unfortunately to a paranoid degree. I get startled when I see cop cars, even to the point it makes me uneasy to drive.) I visited MADD and spoke with the victims and hugged them, had long conversations with them.

Would you say that you got PTSD from drunk driving and being subsequently arrested?

Yes. There are some things in my life I regret because I can't rewind the clock, but this one seems to be the most permanent one and it haunts me.

By PTSD standards, when I went to the intro session at the trauma place, they make you watch a video and some of the points were nightmares, flashbacks, avoidance, depression, etc.I ticked all those off in my head, cause it's true. The nightmares and flashbacks are the worst. And random bouts of crying. I'll be at work and then someone talks about a cop or something that reminds me of the incident and I feel really inferior all of a sudden, panicky, like my future is going to melt before my eyes. I have to go to the bathroom or just internalize it and that really sucks. Only so much you can hold in. They're very vivid flashbacks too, bc my case was that I was really not over the limit by much, and I remember the way he said and did everything. I remember his tone when he tried to joke about my height, or the way he said a "a place where ppl like YOU go" It wasn't a blackout drunk experience, to say the least.

[cavalier1138]

If in 2 years I have actually led to any change or a lawsuit comes about towards the police officer, I believe I'm going to talk about it in a little more detail on the arrest addendum. I would have to explain why I believe he was in the wrong in how he mistreated me and how it led to a lawsuit and how it greatly affected my mental health.

Please follow your own advice here and see where it gets you. Law schools love to read C&F addenda that try to blame the cops for a by-the-book arrest for a fairly serious offense.

[Barack O'Drama]

You do know that not all lawyers are criminal DUI defense attorneys? Never said that.Not once You keep referring to clients and defending them and all this shit as if I gave you the slightest inkling that is what I want to do. When, in fact, I couldn't think of a type of law I'd rather less practice than DUI defense law. You don't have to represent DUI clients to represent clients in general. You seem to think that defending yourself is equivalent to "making an excuse."

You're just a nasty bitch who likes to argue with everyone who is trying to help you. You misrepresent people's advice as attacks on you and you are clearly sensitive that you are a 27 year old loser who lives at home with 7 Fs on your transcript. Mature now are we!? You have a very misguided perception of what you think law school and being a lawyer is, and it doesn't involved a persecution complex, arguing with everyone who is trying to help you, and making excuses. Didn't argue with everyone, said thank you various times and "I agree with your point" and "you're right" guess you missed all that in search of your dire need to insult someone.

You had the answers to all you questions before you posted on here. The answers were: I will get a boost, I can have the dean change my grades, UM is a great school, driving drunk is a moral grey area, and statistics don't apply to me. You're the exception!

Never said UM is a great school (for the MILLIONTH time), I was actually asking people more about how they financed it because it's $50k. Never said stats don't apply either - just that they've been proven to be unreliable and that's why I don't decide my future on them

Why do you keep replying to someone who you think is such a low life bitch? Seems like a pretty bad way to waste your time.

So are you skipping work for this or[/quote]

She never said she was skipping WORK! Can you read? What did you get on the LSAT? Have you ever detonated bombs!?

But, yeah, you actually make a good point. Certainly could be doing better things with my time.

[prospectiveT14]

If in 2 years I have actually led to any change or a lawsuit comes about towards the police officer, I believe I'm going to talk about it in a little more detail on the arrest addendum. I would have to explain why I believe he was in the wrong in how he mistreated me and how it led to a lawsuit and how it greatly affected my mental health.

Please follow your own advice here and see where it gets you. Law schools love to read C&F addenda that try to blame the cops for a by-the-book arrest for a fairly serious offense.

wasn't by the book. for the billionth time. you seem to be devoted to be condescending to someone you don't even know

[lymenheimer]

It's kind of awkward to be curt with an arrest explanation. Yes I can take responsibility and say I shouldn't drink and drive and that my actions have definitely changed since then (they have, but unfortunately to a paranoid degree. I get startled when I see cop cars, even to the point it makes me uneasy to drive.) I visited MADD and spoke with the victims and hugged them, had long conversations with them.

Would you say that you got PTSD from drunk driving and being subsequently arrested?

Yes. There are some things in my life I regret because I can't rewind the clock, but this one seems to be the most permanent one and it haunts me.

By PTSD standards, when I went to the intro session at the trauma place, they make you watch a video and some of the points were nightmares, flashbacks, avoidance, depression, etc.I ticked all those off in my head, cause it's true. The nightmares and flashbacks are the worst. And random bouts of crying. I'll be at work and then someone talks about a cop or something that reminds me of the incident and I feel really inferior all of a sudden, panicky, like my future is going to melt before my eyes. I have to go to the bathroom or just internalize it and that really sucks. Only so much you can hold in. They're very vivid flashbacks too, bc my case was that I was really not over the limit by much, and I remember the way he said and did everything. I remember his tone when he tried to joke about my height, or the way he said a "a place where ppl like YOU go" It wasn't a blackout drunk experience, to say the least.

QFP