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- ThreeRivers

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Updated Draft 4: In SERIOUS need of help
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- upalittletoolate

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Re: In SERIOUS need of help
I feel like I just read your brother's PS. If you still stick with his story, which I don't think you should, find a way to talk about how it specifically changed you. You come across as trying to cash in on his hardships, instead of discussing more how you were affected and how you rose to meet a challenge.
(Typing quick- sorry if that seems harsh.)
(Typing quick- sorry if that seems harsh.)
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I actually worried about that too so no, not harsh... I'm really upset with how horrible I am writing this. My problem is:upalittletoolate wrote:I feel like I just read your brother's PS. If you still stick with his story, which I don't think you should, find a way to talk about how it specifically changed you. You come across as trying to cash in on his hardships, instead of discussing more how you were affected and how you rose to meet a challenge.
(Typing quick- sorry if that seems harsh.)
1. This is the biggest event that has effected me in my life without a doubt... So I feel it'd be good for PS / idk what else to write about at all other than this, but Idk how to express this well at all
2. If I don't write a story there's no way I can write about 2-3 pages of bsing why I'd be a great law student..
Really stuck right now lol
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Ok, let's assume that this is what you stick with (though really dig deep- any volunteer/leadership roles that you can really spin? Do you live in a tornado/earthquake/hurricane area where you helped with relief work? Really gut your resume- see if you can find something more directly related to you). But let's go back to your brother's story. Did you take on any extra responsibilities while he was in the hospital? Or maybe you'd like to practice law that in some way relates to the insurance company that almost didn't pay for his tests (I made that up, and I know I'm reaching here, but you get the idea). Admissions people don't want to just hear that you got motivated- they want to know how it changed you, and how you're going to use it moving forward.ThreeRivers wrote:
1. This is the biggest event that has effected me in my life without a doubt... So I feel it'd be good for PS / idk what else to write about at all other than this, but Idk how to express this well at all
The PS is the only time (other than your resume and maybe a DS) to really sell yourself- don't hold back. Don't make stuff up, but seriously- spin your strengths till they're blue in the face and begging to get off the ride.
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Re: In SERIOUS need of help
I honestly don't think its that bad. I think you need to shift your focus however. I am writing on a very similar PS topic which is a disease my brother had which seriously affected my entire family greatly. i think you will want to shorten the paragraphs about your brother just to paint a picture of the main facts of the situation, how difficult it was, and how it affected you. Focus on the lessons you learned from your brothers battle and explain in greater detail how they have made you a stronger person, determined person, etc. its a very moving story so you definitely have a good topic to write on. i think you just need to make it more about it affected you and will continue to affect you.
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Thanks, yea I got that feel I made it too much about him... I've never been able to write about myself, kind of sucks now lol I'm thinking maybe add a paragraph before I start about whatever institution I'm applying to that's just purely based one me... should be able to squeeze 6 of those sentences in lolin2win wrote:I honestly don't think its that bad. I think you need to shift your focus however. I am writing on a very similar PS topic which is a disease my brother had which seriously affected my entire family greatly. i think you will want to shorten the paragraphs about your brother just to paint a picture of the main facts of the situation, how difficult it was, and how it affected you. Focus on the lessons you learned from your brothers battle and explain in greater detail how they have made you a stronger person, determined person, etc. its a very moving story so you definitely have a good topic to write on. i think you just need to make it more about it affected you and will continue to affect you.
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Re: In SERIOUS need of help
Write about your brother. Just write better. Expose yourself more. No one will punish you for honoring and admiring his courage. If you think about it more deeply, I think you will realize that he needed you more than this story gleans.
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Re: Updated Draft 2: In SERIOUS need of help
Bumped for draft 2 (see first post)
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Re: Updated Draft 2: In SERIOUS need of help
Thanks... I'm currently writing my third draft and I feel this one is starting to look more like a decent PS
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Re: Updated Draft 3: In SERIOUS need of help
Bumped for draft 3
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- NiccoloA

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It is an endearing story that makes me want you to succeed because I can relate to that sinking feeling of seeing a sibling struggle.
Maybe approach it from the perspective of answering a question.
Why do these feelings motivate you to attend law school? What from this experience pushes you to do law?
Unfortunately, I have to echo this sentiment.upalittletoolate wrote:I feel like I just read your brother's PS. If you still stick with his story, which I don't think you should, find a way to talk about how it specifically changed you. You come across as trying to cash in on his hardships, instead of discussing more how you were affected and how you rose to meet a challenge.
(Typing quick- sorry if that seems harsh.)
Maybe approach it from the perspective of answering a question.
Why do these feelings motivate you to attend law school? What from this experience pushes you to do law?
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Thanks for the input, sadly I've been trying to make it more and more about me with every new draft (should have seen first draft it was way too much about him). I'll continue to put more focus on me on the next draft (it is really hard for me for some reason)NiccoloA wrote:It is an endearing story that makes me want you to succeed because I can relate to that sinking feeling of seeing a sibling struggle.
Unfortunately, I have to echo this sentiment.upalittletoolate wrote:I feel like I just read your brother's PS. If you still stick with his story, which I don't think you should, find a way to talk about how it specifically changed you. You come across as trying to cash in on his hardships, instead of discussing more how you were affected and how you rose to meet a challenge.
(Typing quick- sorry if that seems harsh.)
Maybe approach it from the perspective of answering a question.
Why do these feelings motivate you to attend law school? What from this experience pushes you to do law?
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Re: Updated Draft 3: In SERIOUS need of help
Thanks again for the input kublaikahn, I feel like your advice is definitely improving my PS... back to the drawing board
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Re: Updated Draft 4: In SERIOUS need of help
Bumped for draft 4
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Re: Updated Draft 4: In SERIOUS need of help
Should be "shock gave way to confusion," unless I'm just reading it wrong.
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Some definitions of swaymandolin wrote:Should be "shock gave way to confusion," unless I'm just reading it wrong.
To fluctuate, as in outlook.
To cause to incline or bend to one side
So I think it works there, but if others disagree / thinks it looks awkward let me know
Any other comments / thoughts on this last draft?
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I agree with some of the posters above. Your bro is an inspirational guy. If I'm an adcom, I'm taking this as his letter of rec and accepting him. Good job on this one, if your bro can just get one more like this, his application is complete.
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Re: Updated Draft 4: In SERIOUS need of help
Seriously? I'm not being sarcastic, just really discouraged if it still reads like that... those comments above were when my first draft almost completely read as a story about him. I've followed suggestions and changed it so that only the introduction is about him, took out all the details, and tried to focus everything else on its impact on me / how it influenced my desire for law, etc..esq wrote:I agree with some of the posters above. Your bro is an inspirational guy. If I'm an adcom, I'm taking this as his letter of rec and accepting him. Good job on this one, if your bro can just get one more like this, his application is complete.
I really am not sure how it differs than any introduction story at this point / how to make it less about him any more
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Enjoyable read. Convincing of your desire to become a lawyer to battle insurance companies. Not sure why you capitalized the word "democracy" or why this sentence is in your essay. Try to redo the final sentence as it shifts the focus to your brother when it should be on your desire to attend Pitt & become an attorney in order to hammer unethical insurance companies that allow, and cause, their clients to suffer.
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Yeah, seriously. Think about it, the first 4 paragraphs straight are all about your brother. The last 3 are the only ones that attempt to talk about you, and still there is a definite sprinkling about your brother and his role in this, which again makes it more about him motivating you than you motivating you. Overall, however, after 4 paragraphs that really do not relate to you and your struggle to develop, you've lost the reader. An adcom, which will be sorting through hundreds, if not thousands, of PS' will be no different. Also, this PS, imo, will not bode well with the adcoms who are looking for folks who are extremely self motivated to get through a difficult 3 years.ThreeRivers wrote: Seriously? I'm not being sarcastic, just really discouraged if it still reads like that... those comments above were when my first draft almost completely reads as a story about him. I've followed suggestions and changed it so that only the introduction is about him, took out all the details, and tried to focus everything else on its impact on me / how it influenced my desire for law, etc..
I really am not sure how it differs than any introduction story at this point / how to make it less about him any more
The next thing I notice is substance. So you became motivated, so what? A: you moved from reading books in the library to looking up the admissions process for Pitt online. You daydreamed about protecting democracy, whatever that means, through practicing law. Nothing here separates you from the lowest common denominator that is applying to law school. Think about it, every person applying, whether they have scored a 140 - 180, will have done what you have framed as your biggest motivational accomplishments.
You need more substance here before any adcom will look at your PS and truly think that you are a motivated individual, and this is aside from the reality that your argument should also be framed around your merits and how you developed them.
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I want people to slam my PS so I'm not trying to get into an argument and I definitely will take some of your comments into consideration, but the 1st 4 are about my brother? There are 5 paragraphs:esq wrote:Yeah, seriously. Think about it, the first 4 paragraphs straight are all about your brother. The last 3 are the only ones that attempt to talk about you, and still there is a definite sprinkling about your brother and his role in this, which again makes it more about him motivating you than you motivating you. Overall, however, after 4 paragraphs that really do not relate to you and your struggle to develop, you've lost the reader. An adcom, which will be sorting through hundreds, if not thousands, of PS' will be no different. Also, this PS, imo, will not bode well with the adcoms who are looking for folks who are extremely self motivated to get through a difficult 3 years.ThreeRivers wrote: Seriously? I'm not being sarcastic, just really discouraged if it still reads like that... those comments above were when my first draft almost completely reads as a story about him. I've followed suggestions and changed it so that only the introduction is about him, took out all the details, and tried to focus everything else on its impact on me / how it influenced my desire for law, etc..
I really am not sure how it differs than any introduction story at this point / how to make it less about him any more
The next thing I notice is substance. So you became motivated, so what? A: you moved from reading books in the library to looking up the admissions process for Pitt online. You daydreamed about protecting democracy, whatever that means, through practicing law. Nothing here separates you from the lowest common denominator that is applying to law school. Think about it, every person applying, whether they have scored a 140 - 180, will have done what you have framed as your biggest motivational accomplishments.
You need more substance here before any adcom will look at your PS and truly think that you are a motivated individual, and this is aside from the reality that your argument should also be framed around your merits and how you developed them.
Paragraph 1 - Introduction story about brother having cancer
Paragraph 2 - His struggle became my inspiration
Paragraph 3 - How it influenced me
Paragraph 4 - Why I want to attend X law school / why I would be good for X law school
Paragraph 5 - Closing / wrapped it up
You stating that it took 4 out of my 5 paragraphs makes me believe you didn't even read my PS really / just looked at other individuals comments from previous drafts (in which case they were correct).
edit: Actually you seem to think there are 7 paragraphs, when there are actually 5.. idk
Still, I thank you for your input and will definitely take it into consideration for my next draft
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