negotiation Forum

[bowwow]

scholly

[SFrost]

Yes?

I mean, if not WUSTL and Vandy, then that doesn't leave much for them to consider 'peer'.

"What $ WUSTL = what $ Cornell" is unknown but I would guess it has to be something.

[BigZuck]

Yes?

I mean, if not WUSTL and Vandy, then that doesn't leave much for them to consider 'peer'.

"What $ WUSTL = what $ Cornell" is unknown but I would guess it has to be something.

Lol

No

OP- I'm kind of doubting it but certainly worth a shot

[SFrost]

Yes?

I mean, if not WUSTL and Vandy, then that doesn't leave much for them to consider 'peer'.

"What $ WUSTL = what $ Cornell" is unknown but I would guess it has to be something.

Lol

No

OP- I'm kind of doubting it but certainly worth a shot

I'm fairly certain schools don't exclusively negotiate with offers from higher-ranked schools. A full-ride from WUSTL is a respectable offer. Again, if Cornell doesn't then that only leaves Georgetown and Texas in their slightly weaker peer group.

[BigZuck]

Yes?

I mean, if not WUSTL and Vandy, then that doesn't leave much for them to consider 'peer'.

"What $ WUSTL = what $ Cornell" is unknown but I would guess it has to be something.

Lol

No

OP- I'm kind of doubting it but certainly worth a shot

I'm fairly certain schools don't exclusively negotiate with offers from higher-ranked schools. A full-ride from WUSTL is a respectable offer. Again, if Cornell doesn't then that only leaves Georgetown and Texas in their slightly weaker peer group.

Lol

No

They have all of MVPBDNG to consider as their peers. Because those schools are all peers. UT, WUSTL, UCLA, etc are nowhere near Cornell.

In my experience T14s tended to only be motivated by schools that they considered to be their peers. But like I said, its worth a shot.

[Lavitz]

Lol at WUSTL being a peer. Thanks for taking care of that, Zuck.

Seriously though, it kind of depends on your initial offer. Full-ride at WUSTL vs. sticker at Cornell will likely make Cornell budge imo. If Cornell already offered, idk, 45K or so, less likely. I don't think Vandy's 75K will be any better for negotiating.

[SFrost]

Lol

No

They have all of MVPBDNG to consider as their peers. Because those schools are all peers. UT, WUSTL, UCLA, etc are nowhere near Cornell.

In my experience T14s tended to only be motivated by schools that they considered to be their peers. But like I said, its worth a shot.

1. Unless you're the one doing the actual negotiating at Cornell, you should learn to speak with less authority. You make yourself look ignorant when you're so overconfident.

2. Are people really this out of touch with the world and T14-or-bust obsessed that everything below Cornell is automatic TTT?

3. By what objective measure is Cornell so distinct from UT or UCLA? All three place majority in home state, all three have quite similar admission standards, and all three have strong employment. Prestige-obsessed ignorance makes these boards tiring. Granted WUSTL does look worse but you brought up UT and UCLA at your own ignorant peril.

[BigZuck]

Lol

No

They have all of MVPBDNG to consider as their peers. Because those schools are all peers. UT, WUSTL, UCLA, etc are nowhere near Cornell.

In my experience T14s tended to only be motivated by schools that they considered to be their peers. But like I said, its worth a shot.

1. Unless you're the one doing the actual negotiating at Cornell, you should learn to speak with less authority. You make yourself look ignorant when you're so overconfident.

2. Are people really this out of touch with the world and T14-or-bust obsessed that everything below Cornell is automatic TTT?

3. By what objective measure is Cornell so distinct from UT or UCLA? All three place majority in home state, all three have quite similar admission standards, and all three have strong employment. Prestige-obsessed ignorance makes these boards tiring. Granted WUSTL does look worse but you brought up UT and UCLA at your own ignorant peril.

Lol

No

My prestige-obsessed ignorance aside, I think I might know a little something about UT and its job placement

[bombaysippin]

Lol

No

They have all of MVPBDNG to consider as their peers. Because those schools are all peers. UT, WUSTL, UCLA, etc are nowhere near Cornell.

In my experience T14s tended to only be motivated by schools that they considered to be their peers. But like I said, its worth a shot.

1. Unless you're the one doing the actual negotiating at Cornell, you should learn to speak with less authority. You make yourself look ignorant when you're so overconfident.

2. Are people really this out of touch with the world and T14-or-bust obsessed that everything below Cornell is automatic TTT?

3. By what objective measure is Cornell so distinct from UT or UCLA? All three place majority in home state, all three have quite similar admission standards, and all three have strong employment. Prestige-obsessed ignorance makes these boards tiring. Granted WUSTL does look worse but you brought up UT and UCLA at your own ignorant peril.

http://www.lstscorereports.com/compare/ ... cla/texas/

[schmooky]

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[SFrost]

Lol

No

They have all of MVPBDNG to consider as their peers. Because those schools are all peers. UT, WUSTL, UCLA, etc are nowhere near Cornell.

In my experience T14s tended to only be motivated by schools that they considered to be their peers. But like I said, its worth a shot.

1. Unless you're the one doing the actual negotiating at Cornell, you should learn to speak with less authority. You make yourself look ignorant when you're so overconfident.

2. Are people really this out of touch with the world and T14-or-bust obsessed that everything below Cornell is automatic TTT?

3. By what objective measure is Cornell so distinct from UT or UCLA? All three place majority in home state, all three have quite similar admission standards, and all three have strong employment. Prestige-obsessed ignorance makes these boards tiring. Granted WUSTL does look worse but you brought up UT and UCLA at your own ignorant peril.

http://www.lstscorereports.com/compare/ ... cla/texas/

Do you feel that, by linking to the very data I was referencing in my post, you've managed to create a full fledged argument?

It's impossible to tell what your point is, so I'll go through the effort of asking. What's your point?

My point: Cornell, UCLA, and Texas admit essentially the same quality student. Cornell places better (although it could just be NY is a better area...), but we're not exactly comparing Cooley to Yale here.

[bombaysippin]

Lol

No

They have all of MVPBDNG to consider as their peers. Because those schools are all peers. UT, WUSTL, UCLA, etc are nowhere near Cornell.

In my experience T14s tended to only be motivated by schools that they considered to be their peers. But like I said, its worth a shot.

1. Unless you're the one doing the actual negotiating at Cornell, you should learn to speak with less authority. You make yourself look ignorant when you're so overconfident.

2. Are people really this out of touch with the world and T14-or-bust obsessed that everything below Cornell is automatic TTT?

3. By what objective measure is Cornell so distinct from UT or UCLA? All three place majority in home state, all three have quite similar admission standards, and all three have strong employment. Prestige-obsessed ignorance makes these boards tiring. Granted WUSTL does look worse but you brought up UT and UCLA at your own ignorant peril.

http://www.lstscorereports.com/compare/ ... cla/texas/

Do you feel that, by linking to the very data I was referencing in my post, you've managed to create a full fledged argument?

It's impossible to tell what your point is, so I'll go through the effort of asking. What's your point?

My point: Cornell, UCLA, and Texas admit essentially the same quality student. Cornell places better (although it could just be NY is a better area...), but we're not exactly comparing Cooley to Yale here.

Was putting it out there for other less informed people. It's nice to see the actual numbers.

And yea they might admit essentially the same quality student, but I think only saying "Cornell places better" is an understatement. Looking at large firm scores, Cornell is 25%+ more than the schools, which makes it more "distinct" from UT and UCLA, unless you don't think that's "distinct".

[BigZuck]

Frosty- I don't understand why you insist on making terrible posts up and down this website and starting a bunch of arguments you are doomed to lose. Those schools aren't peers with Cornell. Even if admissions numbers are similar, Cornell is worth paying more to attend because its job placement is better (generally speaking, although one might argue UT is better for TX, UCLA for Los Angeles, etc.). Cornell understands this, and generally does a good job of pricing itself compared to these schools accordingly (although in my case Vandy offered just about the same price as Cornell. Not sure who goofed there, Cornell or Vandy. I'm guessing it was a bit of both).

Stop trolling dawg.

All that being said, this thread is kind of silly. Of course it's worth a shot for the OP to try, and it's not like the OP wasn't going to try anyway so whatever we said here was pretty pointless anyway.

[SFrost]

Frosty- I don't understand why you insist on making terrible posts up and down this website and starting a bunch of arguments you are doomed to lose. Those schools aren't peers with Cornell. Even if admissions numbers are similar, Cornell is worth paying more to attend because its job placement is better (generally speaking, although one might argue UT is better for TX, UCLA for Los Angeles, etc.). Cornell understands this, and generally does a good job of pricing itself compared to these schools accordingly (although in my case Vandy offered just about the same price as Cornell. Not sure who goofed there, Cornell or Vandy. I'm guessing it was a bit of both).

Stop trolling dawg.

All that being said, this thread is kind of silly. Of course it's worth a shot for the OP to try, and it's not like the OP wasn't going to try anyway so whatever we said here was pretty pointless anyway.

By your definition, 'peer' is a razor-sharp measure. What is the evidence of this? I personally know someone who negotiated with Cornell (from sticker to a modest 10k/yr) using two large offers from schools that are definitely below Texas by any measure (unless your measure is avoiding Texas).

Let's put it this way: Cornell at sticker VS Texas at full-ride. Ignoring geography, Texas is a great choice. Why would Cornell not factor this when any applicant would be foolish to not?

But I guess .... PRESTIGE!!!!

[SFrost]

Frosty- I don't understand why you insist on making terrible posts up and down this website and starting a bunch of arguments you are doomed to lose.

I'll respond to this point separately. My opinions usually deserve two posts, anyway.

I argue the side that I believe to be correct. I can't help it if half the people I argue with are autistic nutjobs. Didn't we all want to go to law school because we like to argue? That's the main reason, right? Well, that and the prestige of it all.

[bombaysippin]

Frosty- I don't understand why you insist on making terrible posts up and down this website and starting a bunch of arguments you are doomed to lose. Those schools aren't peers with Cornell. Even if admissions numbers are similar, Cornell is worth paying more to attend because its job placement is better (generally speaking, although one might argue UT is better for TX, UCLA for Los Angeles, etc.). Cornell understands this, and generally does a good job of pricing itself compared to these schools accordingly (although in my case Vandy offered just about the same price as Cornell. Not sure who goofed there, Cornell or Vandy. I'm guessing it was a bit of both).

Stop trolling dawg.

All that being said, this thread is kind of silly. Of course it's worth a shot for the OP to try, and it's not like the OP wasn't going to try anyway so whatever we said here was pretty pointless anyway.

By your definition, 'peer' is a razor-sharp measure. What is the evidence of this? I personally know someone who negotiated with Cornell (from sticker to a modest 10k/yr) using two large offers from schools that are definitely below Texas by any measure (unless your measure is avoiding Texas).

Let's put it this way: Cornell at sticker VS Texas at full-ride. Ignoring geography, Texas is a great choice. Why would Cornell not factor this when any applicant would be foolish to not?

But I guess .... PRESTIGE!!!!

Do you realize you're the only one ITT talking about prestige?

[BigZuck]

If someone has a full ride at Texas, they have CCN numbers at worst (but most likely HYS numbers). The hypo has no relation to reality. That wouldn't happen, from what I have seen Cornell is one of the most on top of it T14s when it comes to accurately assessing their value. They are the anti-Georgetown, if you will.

Look Frosty, I'm asking nicely: please stop trolling the on topics

[BigZuck]

Frosty- I don't understand why you insist on making terrible posts up and down this website and starting a bunch of arguments you are doomed to lose. Those schools aren't peers with Cornell. Even if admissions numbers are similar, Cornell is worth paying more to attend because its job placement is better (generally speaking, although one might argue UT is better for TX, UCLA for Los Angeles, etc.). Cornell understands this, and generally does a good job of pricing itself compared to these schools accordingly (although in my case Vandy offered just about the same price as Cornell. Not sure who goofed there, Cornell or Vandy. I'm guessing it was a bit of both).

Stop trolling dawg.

All that being said, this thread is kind of silly. Of course it's worth a shot for the OP to try, and it's not like the OP wasn't going to try anyway so whatever we said here was pretty pointless anyway.

By your definition, 'peer' is a razor-sharp measure. What is the evidence of this? I personally know someone who negotiated with Cornell (from sticker to a modest 10k/yr) using two large offers from schools that are definitely below Texas by any measure (unless your measure is avoiding Texas).

Let's put it this way: Cornell at sticker VS Texas at full-ride. Ignoring geography, Texas is a great choice. Why would Cornell not factor this when any applicant would be foolish to not?

But I guess .... PRESTIGE!!!!

Do you realize you're the only one ITT talking about prestige?

Considering I'm such a prestige whore, you would have thought I would have thanked him for putting Cornell on the same level as UT.

Also, why did that dirty prestige whore Lavitz choose Cornell over higher ranked schools? Does not compute.

[SFrost]

If someone has a full ride at Texas, they have CCN numbers at worst (but most likely HYS numbers). The hypo has no relation to reality. That wouldn't happen, from what I have seen Cornell is one of the most on top of it T14s when it comes to accurately assessing their value. They are the anti-Georgetown, if you will.

Look Frosty, I'm asking nicely: please stop trolling the on topics

Awesome! I'm glad we have a solid source that no one has EVER EVER gotten the set of offers that I brought up.

I'm also glad that we have a solid measure of how well a school assesses their value! We should rank schools from a top score of 180 (perfect self assessment, aka Cornell) to 150 (weak self assessment, aka GULC), to 120 (Cooley).

I'm sure you'll handle assigning the numbers since it all looks like arbitrary anecdotal bullshit to me.

[ManoftheHour]

What. The. Fuck.

LOL

[ManoftheHour]

As for OP's question, always try. The worse they can say is no.

[Dredd_2017]

can't hurt to ask! Lower T14s halved my scholarship from GW/BU/BC/Fordham.

As for OP's question, always try. The worse they can say is no.

Literally the only two worthwhile posts in this thread. Go for it OP, worst they can say is no.

Edit: My bad, frosty's first post to negotiate was good too before the pissing match started.

[SFrost]

can't hurt to ask! Lower T14s halved my scholarship from GW/BU/BC/Fordham.

As for OP's question, always try. The worse they can say is no.

Literally the only two worthwhile posts in this thread. Go for it OP, worst they can say is no.

Edit: My bad, frosty's first post to negotiate was good too before the pissing match started.

All my posts were good. In this thread and everywhere else. Ever.

[BigZuck]

can't hurt to ask! Lower T14s halved my scholarship from GW/BU/BC/Fordham.

As for OP's question, always try. The worse they can say is no.

Literally the only two worthwhile posts in this thread. Go for it OP, worst they can say is no.

Edit: My bad, frosty's first post to negotiate was good too before the pissing match started.

I said it was worth a shot like 3 times.

I'm not sure what the OPs original point was in starting the thread. Was it to ask if he should expect anything? That's what I addressed. In my experience, no, T14s tend to usually only take peer offers seriously (I mean, maybe a WUSTL fully could get you from zero to 5-10K at Cornell but that's kind of a drop in the bucket considering how retardedly expensive the school is). We also don't know what, if anything, the OP has been offered at Cornell (I guess we are assuming sticker?). I realize I'm just one dude, but I'm basing this off my own experience last cycle negotiating pretty heavily with all schools I was accepted to, along with what I know from other TLSers negotiations. I followed last cycle pretty closely, but then again my knowledge is only limited to that and maybe things will be different this cycle. But I'm kind of doubting it.

And again, none of this matters because the OP should try anyway regardless of what was said here.

[SFrost]

In my experience, no, T14s tend to usually only take peer offers seriously (I mean, maybe a WUSTL fully could get you from zero to 5-10K at Cornell

You went from a hyperconfident and unambiguous "no" earlier in the thread to a "well, I mean, maybe, I guess, uh, ok yes" now?

My work here is done. I win.