ABA-Law School Financing Needs Serious Reform Forum
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- Tiago Splitter

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Sounds like they've figured out the root of the problem:
Law schools also need to do more to heed the legal profession's calls for more skills training and experiential learning, the task force says.
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So when law schools are churning out too many lawyers, the solution is to lower bar requirements? Got it
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This is the biggest canard. What do you want law schools to do, teach you to e-file and draft mindless crap like subpoenas and document requests? Anyone can learn that on the job. And none of this will make more jobs magically appear.Tiago Splitter wrote:Sounds like they've figured out the root of the problem:
Law schools also need to do more to heed the legal profession's calls for more skills training and experiential learning, the task force says.
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Why should law schools exist at all then?blsingindisguise wrote:This is the biggest canard. What do you want law schools to do, teach you to e-file and draft mindless crap like subpoenas and document requests? Anyone can learn that on the job. And none of this will make more jobs magically appear.Tiago Splitter wrote:Sounds like they've figured out the root of the problem:
Law schools also need to do more to heed the legal profession's calls for more skills training and experiential learning, the task force says.
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blsingindisguise

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Fewer of them should exist.dr123 wrote:Why should law schools exist at all then?blsingindisguise wrote:This is the biggest canard. What do you want law schools to do, teach you to e-file and draft mindless crap like subpoenas and document requests? Anyone can learn that on the job. And none of this will make more jobs magically appear.Tiago Splitter wrote:Sounds like they've figured out the root of the problem:
Law schools also need to do more to heed the legal profession's calls for more skills training and experiential learning, the task force says.
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blsingindisguise

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And I think it's arguable that we should go to a British model -- make law an undergrad subject, maybe even with an extra year tacked on, and then have internship/apprenticeship years. While I'm all for "experiential learning", I don't think anyone should be paying tuition to do it when they don't need to.
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Exactly. You really don't need more than 4-5 years of schooling, or 2 years on top of an undergrad (maybe even 1 year), to have a BASIC understanding of the law, which is all law school is ever going to teach you.blsingindisguise wrote:And I think it's arguable that we should go to a British model -- make law an undergrad subject, maybe even with an extra year tacked on, and then have internship/apprenticeship years. While I'm all for "experiential learning", I don't think anyone should be paying tuition to do it when they don't need to.
4 year undergrad or 2 year grad + 1 year apprenticeship would save money and make better lawyers.
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blsingindisguise

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Plus if you combined it with undergrad you could add some non-law requirements that might be useful to lawyers, like a couple of basic business/finance courses, maybe a course in persuasive writing.JJ123 wrote:Exactly. You really don't need more than 4-5 years of schooling, or 2 years on top of an undergrad (maybe even 1 year), to have a BASIC understanding of the law, which is all law school is ever going to teach you.blsingindisguise wrote:And I think it's arguable that we should go to a British model -- make law an undergrad subject, maybe even with an extra year tacked on, and then have internship/apprenticeship years. While I'm all for "experiential learning", I don't think anyone should be paying tuition to do it when they don't need to.
4 year undergrad or 2 year grad + 1 year apprenticeship would save money and make better lawyers.
What I really dislike is the trend of pushing kids to do more "internships" for credit while in school. Then you're basically paying tuition to work.
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This was a 2-hour conference call discussion in my remote summer class this week. Probably 2/3 of the class (and the prof) were arguing that the poor don't have access to adequate legal representation, so we need more lawyers. I tried to state the obvious (there are plenty of lawyers; they just can't afford to work for peanuts representing poor people because LAW SCHOOL IS TOO FUCKING EXPENSIVE) but it mostly got passed over.
So I muted my mic and dozed off for the middle half of class.
And nobody in the class (not even the prof) is even a boomer!
And nobody in the class (not even the prof) is even a boomer!
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In accounting, we don't put up with that "internship for credit" bullshit. You gotta pay us. A lot.blsingindisguise wrote:Plus if you combined it with undergrad you could add some non-law requirements that might be useful to lawyers, like a couple of basic business/finance courses, maybe a course in persuasive writing.JJ123 wrote:Exactly. You really don't need more than 4-5 years of schooling, or 2 years on top of an undergrad (maybe even 1 year), to have a BASIC understanding of the law, which is all law school is ever going to teach you.blsingindisguise wrote:And I think it's arguable that we should go to a British model -- make law an undergrad subject, maybe even with an extra year tacked on, and then have internship/apprenticeship years. While I'm all for "experiential learning", I don't think anyone should be paying tuition to do it when they don't need to.
4 year undergrad or 2 year grad + 1 year apprenticeship would save money and make better lawyers.
What I really dislike is the trend of pushing kids to do more "internships" for credit while in school. Then you're basically paying tuition to work.
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To which the internet replied to the ABA, "No shit, Sherlock."
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Aren't you?rinkrat19 wrote:This was a 2-hour conference call discussion in my remote summer class this week. Probably 2/3 of the class (and the prof) were arguing that the poor don't have access to adequate legal representation, so we need more lawyers. I tried to state the obvious (there are plenty of lawyers; they just can't afford to work for peanuts representing poor people because LAW SCHOOL IS TOO FUCKING EXPENSIVE) but it mostly got passed over.![]()
So I muted my mic and dozed off for the middle half of class.
And nobody in the class (not even the prof) is even a boomer!
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guano wrote:Aren't you?rinkrat19 wrote:This was a 2-hour conference call discussion in my remote summer class this week. Probably 2/3 of the class (and the prof) were arguing that the poor don't have access to adequate legal representation, so we need more lawyers. I tried to state the obvious (there are plenty of lawyers; they just can't afford to work for peanuts representing poor people because LAW SCHOOL IS TOO FUCKING EXPENSIVE) but it mostly got passed over.![]()
So I muted my mic and dozed off for the middle half of class.
And nobody in the class (not even the prof) is even a boomer!
