URM 2016-2017 Cycle Thread Forum

[sfn91]

I mean, regarding the whole "Just ignore it and keep it moving" type thing... doesn't anyone get TIRED of just EXCUSING racism? I'm tired of tip-toeing around in spaces and considering white feelings more than my own/having to educate white people on why things they say/do are racist and/or unacceptable. I think maybe gently saying "That's not appropriate" or "I find that offensive" is a better idea than just trying to laugh it off or take the high road.

true af. It gets pretty tiring excusing racist comments and microaggressions just to make white folks more comfortable just so we don't get called out for being "disrespectful". Especially hard for AA women who get labeled as "angry" if we say anything. I have found that it really does work to politely say something like "I don't think that is an appropriate comment". Maybe it makes things a little awkward, but it makes me feel better knowing I didn't just laugh along with a racist comment just to fit in better.

Yeah, I'm a black woman who wants to work in sports so I'm expecting to face racist and sexist comments in the near future. Will definitely be a test lol.

I work at a big corporate firm, and I talk with the black female associates about the firm's "culture" all the time, and the experience of being a black woman in an white / male / heternormative world. It's so gratifying to be able to vent with them. Lol.

And here's the thing - POC have been putting up with this crap for way too long. I'm sorry that I'm not going to sit idly as racist shit goes down or inappropriate comments are made. It's not me, it's your racism. Lol. I think most people when they're called out feel embarrassed and watch themselves going forward. It's just that they're never called out that makes them think it's "racism lite." Sorry, but it's still racist and this is a new era where we aren't going to put up with it.

[Mr_Chukes]

BLSA for the win! The black community can be petty but we try to help out our people!!!! Lol

When I toured SC with my sister. I said whats up and shook hands with all the black dudes I saw.
My sister was like what. I was like yeah it's a black guy thing.
She's all like I wish girls were this nice to each other.

[lawpotato]

I mean, regarding the whole "Just ignore it and keep it moving" type thing... doesn't anyone get TIRED of just EXCUSING racism? I'm tired of tip-toeing around in spaces and considering white feelings more than my own/having to educate white people on why things they say/do are racist and/or unacceptable. I think maybe gently saying "That's not appropriate" or "I find that offensive" is a better idea than just trying to laugh it off or take the high road.

true af. It gets pretty tiring excusing racist comments and microaggressions just to make white folks more comfortable just so we don't get called out for being "disrespectful". Especially hard for AA women who get labeled as "angry" if we say anything. I have found that it really does work to politely say something like "I don't think that is an appropriate comment". Maybe it makes things a little awkward, but it makes me feel better knowing I didn't just laugh along with a racist comment just to fit in better.

Yeah, I'm a black woman who wants to work in sports so I'm expecting to face racist and sexist comments in the near future. Will definitely be a test lol.

I work at a big corporate firm, and I talk with the black female associates about the firm's "culture" all the time, and the experience of being a black woman in an white / male / heternormative world. It's so gratifying to be able to vent with them. Lol.

And here's the thing - POC have been putting up with this crap for way too long. I'm sorry that I'm not going to sit idly as racist shit goes down or inappropriate comments are made. It's not me, it's your racism. Lol. I think most people when they're called out feel embarrassed and watch themselves going forward. It's just that they're never called out that makes them think it's "racism lite." Sorry, but it's still racist and this is a new era where we aren't going to put up with it.

In your experience, have you had more issues with people making more subtly sexist comments or more subtly racist comments?

[PrezRand]

No idea if you were joking or not, but there are literally thousands of threads on this site to discuss pretty much every aspect of law school admissions and just the law field in general. This is the "Underrepresented Minority" thread.

To all current and future URMs lurking this thread: not all of us are confused about how inherent bias affects your daily lives and how inappropriate it is that it affects your lives or the lives of people you care about via systemic racism. If you need a space to vent, advice on how to deal, or some support from someone who has a common experience with you, this is absolutely the place to do it and not feel ashamed or embarrassed about it.

This section isn't supposed to be for discussing your race issues. This is for discussing URM admissions into law school. Two seperate issues. Go to the off-topic section for that if you really need to rant. Especially since this was so random. This is beginning to feel uncomfortable

[2000andBeyond]

BLSA for the win! The black community can be petty but we try to help out our people!!!! Lol

When I toured SC with my sister. I said whats up and shook hands with all the black dudes I saw.
My sister was like what. I was like yeah it's a black guy thing.
She's all like I wish girls were this nice to each other.

This times a thousand LOL. Such a shame...

I am definitely all about that black girl solidarity. Hoping my fellow classmates are the same!

[2000andBeyond]

No idea if you were joking or not, but there are literally thousands of threads on this site to discuss pretty much every aspect of law school admissions and just the law field in general. This is the "Underrepresented Minority" thread.

To all current and future URMs lurking this thread: not all of us are confused about how inherent bias affects your daily lives and how inappropriate it is that it affects your lives or the lives of people you care about via systemic racism. If you need a space to vent, advice on how to deal, or some support from someone who has a common experience with you, this is absolutely the place to do it and not feel ashamed or embarrassed about it.

This section isn't supposed to be for discussing your race issues. Go to the off-topic section for that if you really need to rant. Especially since this was so random. This is beginning to feel uncomfortable

Woahhh...

You are fully allowed to exit this section stage left if you're uncomfortable. Please do not feel compelled to read comments that you feel don't apply to you or make you uneasy. With that being said, you have no right to censor others on a forum that was designed to discuss URM topics. Also, the topic at hand directly speaks to the reason why the term "URM" exists. It speaks to a history of disenfranchisement and oppression. Very much on topic with the outcomes of our cycles. I am sure the conversation will naturally shift in a different direction soon. Don't force others to get there prematurely based on your own personal desires.

[sfn91]

I mean, regarding the whole "Just ignore it and keep it moving" type thing... doesn't anyone get TIRED of just EXCUSING racism? I'm tired of tip-toeing around in spaces and considering white feelings more than my own/having to educate white people on why things they say/do are racist and/or unacceptable. I think maybe gently saying "That's not appropriate" or "I find that offensive" is a better idea than just trying to laugh it off or take the high road.

true af. It gets pretty tiring excusing racist comments and microaggressions just to make white folks more comfortable just so we don't get called out for being "disrespectful". Especially hard for AA women who get labeled as "angry" if we say anything. I have found that it really does work to politely say something like "I don't think that is an appropriate comment". Maybe it makes things a little awkward, but it makes me feel better knowing I didn't just laugh along with a racist comment just to fit in better.

Yeah, I'm a black woman who wants to work in sports so I'm expecting to face racist and sexist comments in the near future. Will definitely be a test lol.

I work at a big corporate firm, and I talk with the black female associates about the firm's "culture" all the time, and the experience of being a black woman in an white / male / heternormative world. It's so gratifying to be able to vent with them. Lol.

And here's the thing - POC have been putting up with this crap for way too long. I'm sorry that I'm not going to sit idly as racist shit goes down or inappropriate comments are made. It's not me, it's your racism. Lol. I think most people when they're called out feel embarrassed and watch themselves going forward. It's just that they're never called out that makes them think it's "racism lite." Sorry, but it's still racist and this is a new era where we aren't going to put up with it.

In your experience, have you had more issues with people making more subtly sexist comments or more subtly racist comments?

Racist. The very tone deaf Trump-related jokes alone trump (no pun intended) any sexism I've witnessed. I think the white female partners work as a good check on the sexism, though apparently there are several sexual predator male partners still employed.

[2000andBeyond]

With that being said, does anyone know how likely it is to get money off a WL? Are there schools that are more generous than others? I am thinking of riding out one of my WL, but I don't know if it's worth doing if I'm not getting any cheddar lol

[PrezRand]

No idea if you were joking or not, but there are literally thousands of threads on this site to discuss pretty much every aspect of law school admissions and just the law field in general. This is the "Underrepresented Minority" thread.

To all current and future URMs lurking this thread: not all of us are confused about how inherent bias affects your daily lives and how inappropriate it is that it affects your lives or the lives of people you care about via systemic racism. If you need a space to vent, advice on how to deal, or some support from someone who has a common experience with you, this is absolutely the place to do it and not feel ashamed or embarrassed about it.

This section isn't supposed to be for discussing your race issues. Go to the off-topic section for that if you really need to rant. Especially since this was so random. This is beginning to feel uncomfortable

Woahhh...

You are fully allowed to exit this section stage left if you're uncomfortable. Please do not feel compelled to read comments that you feel don't apply to you or make you uneasy. With that being said, you have no right to censor others on a forum that was designed to discuss URM topics. Also, the topic at hand directly speaks to the reason why the term "URM" exists. It speaks to a history of disenfranchisement and oppression. Very much on topic with the outcomes of our cycles. I am sure the conversation will naturally shift in a different direction soon. Don't force others to get there prematurely based on your own personal desires.

The same could basically be said about the "sarcasm" or "snarky" comments that have apparently been made in this section. It's whatever. You can keep making this section about oppression if you want to.

[Stephylynette]

I mean, regarding the whole "Just ignore it and keep it moving" type thing... doesn't anyone get TIRED of just EXCUSING racism? I'm tired of tip-toeing around in spaces and considering white feelings more than my own/having to educate white people on why things they say/do are racist and/or unacceptable. I think maybe gently saying "That's not appropriate" or "I find that offensive" is a better idea than just trying to laugh it off or take the high road.

true af. It gets pretty tiring excusing racist comments and microaggressions just to make white folks more comfortable just so we don't get called out for being "disrespectful". Especially hard for AA women who get labeled as "angry" if we say anything. I have found that it really does work to politely say something like "I don't think that is an appropriate comment". Maybe it makes things a little awkward, but it makes me feel better knowing I didn't just laugh along with a racist comment just to fit in better.

Yeah, I'm a black woman who wants to work in sports so I'm expecting to face racist and sexist comments in the near future. Will definitely be a test lol.

I work at a big corporate firm, and I talk with the black female associates about the firm's "culture" all the time, and the experience of being a black woman in an white / male / heternormative world. It's so gratifying to be able to vent with them. Lol.

And here's the thing - POC have been putting up with this crap for way too long. I'm sorry that I'm not going to sit idly as racist shit goes down or inappropriate comments are made. It's not me, it's your racism. Lol. I think most people when they're called out feel embarrassed and watch themselves going forward. It's just that they're never called out that makes them think it's "racism lite." Sorry, but it's still racist and this is a new era where we aren't going to put up with it.

In your experience, have you had more issues with people making more subtly sexist comments or more subtly racist comments?

Racist. The very tone deaf Trump-related jokes alone trump (no pun intended) any sexism I've witnessed. I think the white female partners work as a good check on the sexism, though apparently there are several sexual predator male partners still employed.

This. Also racism and sexism are often deeply intertwined. As a black woman, much of the sexism I face has a racial component and vice versa.

[Mr_Chukes]

With that being said, does anyone know how likely it is to get money off a WL? Are there schools that are more generous than others? I am thinking of riding out one of my WL, but I don't know if it's worth doing if I'm not getting any cheddar lol

Most people say no money or very little if any.

[2000andBeyond]

No idea if you were joking or not, but there are literally thousands of threads on this site to discuss pretty much every aspect of law school admissions and just the law field in general. This is the "Underrepresented Minority" thread.

To all current and future URMs lurking this thread: not all of us are confused about how inherent bias affects your daily lives and how inappropriate it is that it affects your lives or the lives of people you care about via systemic racism. If you need a space to vent, advice on how to deal, or some support from someone who has a common experience with you, this is absolutely the place to do it and not feel ashamed or embarrassed about it.

This section isn't supposed to be for discussing your race issues. Go to the off-topic section for that if you really need to rant. Especially since this was so random. This is beginning to feel uncomfortable

Woahhh...

You are fully allowed to exit this section stage left if you're uncomfortable. Please do not feel compelled to read comments that you feel don't apply to you or make you uneasy. With that being said, you have no right to censor others on a forum that was designed to discuss URM topics. Also, the topic at hand directly speaks to the reason why the term "URM" exists. It speaks to a history of disenfranchisement and oppression. Very much on topic with the outcomes of our cycles. I am sure the conversation will naturally shift in a different direction soon. Don't force others to get there prematurely based on your own personal desires.

The same could basically be said about the "sarcasm" or "snarky" comments that have apparently been made in this section. It's whatever. You can keep making this section about oppression if you want to.

I don't know what you're alluding to, because I personally have never called someone out for being snarky. Either way, just don't read the comments that you don't feel apply to your life. That simple! And if the people wanna make this section about oppression, then the people have spoken!

[2000andBeyond]

With that being said, does anyone know how likely it is to get money off a WL? Are there schools that are more generous than others? I am thinking of riding out one of my WL, but I don't know if it's worth doing if I'm not getting any cheddar lol

Most people say no money or very little if any.

Ugh, I guess not worth it in that case!

[Mr_Chukes]

With that being said, does anyone know how likely it is to get money off a WL? Are there schools that are more generous than others? I am thinking of riding out one of my WL, but I don't know if it's worth doing if I'm not getting any cheddar lol

Most people say no money or very little if any.

Ugh, I guess not worth it in that case!

Yeah I always think if the prestige is worth sticker. The only times I think it maybe is at Stanford, Yale, or even Harvard.

[chasima]

No idea if you were joking or not, but there are literally thousands of threads on this site to discuss pretty much every aspect of law school admissions and just the law field in general. This is the "Underrepresented Minority" thread.

To all current and future URMs lurking this thread: not all of us are confused about how inherent bias affects your daily lives and how inappropriate it is that it affects your lives or the lives of people you care about via systemic racism. If you need a space to vent, advice on how to deal, or some support from someone who has a common experience with you, this is absolutely the place to do it and not feel ashamed or embarrassed about it.

This section isn't supposed to be for discussing your race issues. Go to the off-topic section for that if you really need to rant. Especially since this was so random. This is beginning to feel uncomfortable

Woahhh...

You are fully allowed to exit this section stage left if you're uncomfortable. Please do not feel compelled to read comments that you feel don't apply to you or make you uneasy. With that being said, you have no right to censor others on a forum that was designed to discuss URM topics. Also, the topic at hand directly speaks to the reason why the term "URM" exists. It speaks to a history of disenfranchisement and oppression. Very much on topic with the outcomes of our cycles. I am sure the conversation will naturally shift in a different direction soon. Don't force others to get there prematurely based on your own personal desires.

The same could basically be said about the "sarcasm" or "snarky" comments that have apparently been made in this section. It's whatever. You can keep making this section about oppression if you want to.

If you are referring to the comment that uhwrestler made (a comment which he referred to as snarky, not anyone else), I'd like to point out that the main difference here is that his direct response to a minority who was expressing how she felt about the attitudes of other 0Ls toward her *in the context of law school admissions* was to "get over it". It was directly aimed at her, was unhelpful, and quite frankly, rude.

The discussion so far has revolved around how to react to racism among 0Ls, and in the career field we're all going to be working in. No one mentioned you specifically, and no one is being rude to you. So to come to a thread for potential minority law students discussing issues that directly affect their experiences at law students and professionals and tell them to stop talking about them because you're uncomfortable (for some unspecified reason, if none of this applies to you) is uncalled for.

I think that discussing these topics is important, and I will always and have always (in real life as well) defended the need to talk about them, even if we don't agree.

[PrezRand]

No idea if you were joking or not, but there are literally thousands of threads on this site to discuss pretty much every aspect of law school admissions and just the law field in general. This is the "Underrepresented Minority" thread.

To all current and future URMs lurking this thread: not all of us are confused about how inherent bias affects your daily lives and how inappropriate it is that it affects your lives or the lives of people you care about via systemic racism. If you need a space to vent, advice on how to deal, or some support from someone who has a common experience with you, this is absolutely the place to do it and not feel ashamed or embarrassed about it.

This section isn't supposed to be for discussing your race issues. Go to the off-topic section for that if you really need to rant. Especially since this was so random. This is beginning to feel uncomfortable

Woahhh...

You are fully allowed to exit this section stage left if you're uncomfortable. Please do not feel compelled to read comments that you feel don't apply to you or make you uneasy. With that being said, you have no right to censor others on a forum that was designed to discuss URM topics. Also, the topic at hand directly speaks to the reason why the term "URM" exists. It speaks to a history of disenfranchisement and oppression. Very much on topic with the outcomes of our cycles. I am sure the conversation will naturally shift in a different direction soon. Don't force others to get there prematurely based on your own personal desires.

The same could basically be said about the "sarcasm" or "snarky" comments that have apparently been made in this section. It's whatever. You can keep making this section about oppression if you want to.

If you are referring to the comment that uhwrestler made (a comment which he referred to as snarky, not anyone else), I'd like to point out that the main difference here is that his direct response to a minority who was expressing how she felt about the attitudes of other 0Ls toward her *in the context of law school admissions* was to "get over it". It was directly aimed at her, was unhelpful, and quite frankly, rude.

The discussion so far has revolved around how to react to racism among 0Ls, and in the career field we're all going to be working in. No one mentioned you specifically, and no one is being rude to you. So to come to a thread for potential minority law students discussing issues that directly affect their experiences at law students and professionals and tell them to stop talking about them because you're uncomfortable (for some unspecified reason, if none of this applies to you) is uncalled for.

I think that discussing these topics is important, and I will always and have always (in real life as well) defended the need to talk about them, even if we don't agree.

Ok bro do what u want.

[call-me-bubbles]

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[Mr_Chukes]

With that being said, does anyone know how likely it is to get money off a WL? Are there schools that are more generous than others? I am thinking of riding out one of my WL, but I don't know if it's worth doing if I'm not getting any cheddar lol

Most people say no money or very little if any.

Ugh, I guess not worth it in that case!

Yeah I always think if the prestige is worth sticker. The only times I think it maybe is at Stanford, Yale, or even Harvard.

What are your/other people's thoughts on Chicago at sticker? Their 75th percentile scholly award is only $30,000 which ain't much...and I'm a reverse splitter, so I'm not expecting even that much...but the prestige factor is definitely there, and they have incredible employment numbers with an average starting salary of $160,000 for grads. I am TERRIFIED of the prospect of so much debt, but I'm equally terrified about striking out job-wise from a lower-ranked school. Tried asking on UChi threads and got the usual "dude chill out" response...

Chicago to actually. They have the numbers and network to back it up. From what I have heard, they are really respected. Unless you had some other options lower top 6-10 schools that gave you a lot of money.

[dietcoke1]

With that being said, does anyone know how likely it is to get money off a WL? Are there schools that are more generous than others? I am thinking of riding out one of my WL, but I don't know if it's worth doing if I'm not getting any cheddar lol

Most people say no money or very little if any.

Ugh, I guess not worth it in that case!

Yeah I always think if the prestige is worth sticker. The only times I think it maybe is at Stanford, Yale, or even Harvard.

What are your/other people's thoughts on Chicago at sticker? Their 75th percentile scholly award is only $30,000 which ain't much...and I'm a reverse splitter, so I'm not expecting even that much...but the prestige factor is definitely there, and they have incredible employment numbers with an average starting salary of $160,000 for grads. I am TERRIFIED of the prospect of so much debt, but I'm equally terrified about striking out job-wise from a lower-ranked school. Tried asking on UChi threads and got the usual "dude chill out" response...

what are your other options?

[texcellence]

With that being said, does anyone know how likely it is to get money off a WL? Are there schools that are more generous than others? I am thinking of riding out one of my WL, but I don't know if it's worth doing if I'm not getting any cheddar lol

Most people say no money or very little if any.

Ugh, I guess not worth it in that case!

Yeah I always think if the prestige is worth sticker. The only times I think it maybe is at Stanford, Yale, or even Harvard.

What are your/other people's thoughts on Chicago at sticker? Their 75th percentile scholly award is only $30,000 which ain't much...and I'm a reverse splitter, so I'm not expecting even that much...but the prestige factor is definitely there, and they have incredible employment numbers with an average starting salary of $160,000 for grads. I am TERRIFIED of the prospect of so much debt, but I'm equally terrified about striking out job-wise from a lower-ranked school. Tried asking on UChi threads and got the usual "dude chill out" response...

Chicago to actually. They have the numbers and network to back it up. From what I have heard, they are really respected.

Is any non-HYS T14 ever worth sticker? The small sample size of attorneys I've talked to about this say no, but I think it depends what your career goals are (and I wonder how much being URM factors into this).

[S.Picquery]

Is any non-HYS T14 ever worth sticker? The small sample size of attorneys I've talked to about this say no, but I think it depends what your career goals are (and I wonder how much being URM factors into this).

Everyone seems to say no, but I wish there were more PI-driven attorneys I could talk to about this. That's the goal for me, and I'd love to know what LRAP did for them, y'know?

[texcellence]

Is any non-HYS T14 ever worth sticker? The small sample size of attorneys I've talked to about this say no, but I think it depends what your career goals are (and I wonder how much being URM factors into this).

Everyone seems to say no, but I wish there were more PI-driven attorneys I could talk to about this. That's the goal for me, and I'd love to know what LRAP did for them, y'know?

Same! I'm going to an admitted students and alumni event tonight, so I'll try to find some PI/govt folks and report back.

[S.Picquery]

Is any non-HYS T14 ever worth sticker? The small sample size of attorneys I've talked to about this say no, but I think it depends what your career goals are (and I wonder how much being URM factors into this).

Everyone seems to say no, but I wish there were more PI-driven attorneys I could talk to about this. That's the goal for me, and I'd love to know what LRAP did for them, y'know?

Same! I'm going to an admitted students and alumni event tonight, so I'll try to find some PI/govt folks and report back.

Which school, if you don't mind my asking (feel free to PM)?

[azaleafire]

What are your/other people's thoughts on Chicago at sticker? Their 75th percentile scholly award is only $30,000 which ain't much...and I'm a reverse splitter, so I'm not expecting even that much...but the prestige factor is definitely there, and they have incredible employment numbers with an average starting salary of $160,000 for grads. I am TERRIFIED of the prospect of so much debt, but I'm equally terrified about striking out job-wise from a lower-ranked school. Tried asking on UChi threads and got the usual "dude chill out" response...

I think that that amount of debt, whether it is sitting gaining interest while you pay the minimum through LRAP knowing it will be forgiven or you are paying it down monthly on a big law salary, is really restricting and it would take a lot for me to consider attending a school anywhere near sticker. Chicago has great employment numbers, and so you will most likely have a job after graduation. Some people would say, or believe, that having U Chicago on your resume and a great job is enough flexibility to forgive having more debt than the median price of a home in America. I am of the opinion that having less debt gives you more freedom regardless of whether your degree says Harvard or Virginia or Cooley.

If you haven't checked the COA spreadsheet in that one thread I would download it and really look at it. There are a ton of considerations like other offers, spouses, ~vibe~... but that money is going to stick with you.

[call-me-bubbles]

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