AA male URM 151(cannot retake) Forum

[JayJones78]

I like this thread. I have similar stats and URM as well. I just didn't do my applications yet

Congrats on W&L. I will certainly be applying there and we'll be keeping a close eye on this thread from here on out.

Thank you. You still haven't applied anywhere?

Not yet. I'm putting finishing touches on my personal and diversity statements and should start applying in the next few days.

Goodluck!!

Semi update: I'm finally complete with Cornell and UMich which completes all my apps.

Looking for advice:
I am thinking about flying to Ann Arbor and visit Michigan. I know that meeting with someone there won't go into my app but they told me if I wish I can write a short statement and send it to them after the visit. How much, in your opinion, this can help with the app? I know that if any it's going to be very slim but I am still curious if it can do any good to show real interest. Thanks!

[spleenworship]

I like this thread. I have similar stats and URM as well. I just didn't do my applications yet

Congrats on W&L. I will certainly be applying there and we'll be keeping a close eye on this thread from here on out.

Thank you. You still haven't applied anywhere?

Not yet. I'm putting finishing touches on my personal and diversity statements and should start applying in the next few days.

Goodluck!!

Semi update: I'm finally complete with Cornell and UMich which completes all my apps.

Looking for advice:
I am thinking about flying to Ann Arbor and visit Michigan. I know that meeting with someone there won't go into my app but they told me if I wish I can write a short statement and send it to them after the visit. How much, in your opinion, this can help with the app? I know that if any it's going to be very slim but I am still curious if it can do any good to show real interest. Thanks!

Softs like this are really hard to judge. IMO it can't hurt you and could theoretically help a lot. Just brace yourself to be super impressed and desirous, and yet still possibly turned down.

[Icculus]

Softs like this are really hard to judge. IMO it can't hurt you and could theoretically help a lot. Just brace yourself to be super impressed and desirous, and yet still possibly turned down.

This. It most likely won't get you in, but it is all upset and little downside.

[JayJones78]

Softs like this are really hard to judge. IMO it can't hurt you and could theoretically help a lot. Just brace yourself to be super impressed and desirous, and yet still possibly turned down.

This. It most likely won't get you in, but it is all upset and little downside.

Thank you both. I think if UMich happens for me it will be nothing short of a miracle for me.. I think the reach is really long but I keep hearing that once they take below medians it doesn't matter if its a 161 a 151 or a 153. So I'm am hopeful, but also very realistic

[dowu]

Softs like this are really hard to judge. IMO it can't hurt you and could theoretically help a lot. Just brace yourself to be super impressed and desirous, and yet still possibly turned down.

This. It most likely won't get you in, but it is all upset and little downside.

Thank you both. I think if UMich happens for me it will be nothing short of a miracle for me.. I think the reach is really long but I keep hearing that once they take below medians it doesn't matter if its a 161 a 151 or a 153. So I'm am hopeful, but also very realistic

While this is true, they most likely don't like admitting people super below their medians because that person may struggle more than the rest of their classmates.

Good luck to you!

[JayJones78]

Softs like this are really hard to judge. IMO it can't hurt you and could theoretically help a lot. Just brace yourself to be super impressed and desirous, and yet still possibly turned down.

This. It most likely won't get you in, but it is all upset and little downside.

Thank you both. I think if UMich happens for me it will be nothing short of a miracle for me.. I think the reach is really long but I keep hearing that once they take below medians it doesn't matter if its a 161 a 151 or a 153. So I'm am hopeful, but also very realistic

While this is true, they most likely don't like admitting people super below their medians because that person may struggle more than the rest of their classmates.

Good luck to you!

Ah, I don't really agree. I'm not a believer that the LSAT is a true testimet of how someone succeeds in law school. But that's a whole different story...

I think I'm a far reach of UMich because my LSAT is just super law, not because anything else. I just hope that they will really read my file, all my supp essays and recs and only THEN make a decision, though I'm realistic about that too.

[NewYorkL]

Have you considered applying for CLEO? That might help you get into some of these other reach schools.

Also, did you apply to Fordham, GW and Cardozo on a part time basis because of your numbers?

[JayJones78]

Have you considered applying for CLEO? That might help you get into some of these other reach schools.

Also, did you apply to Fordham, GW and Cardozo on a part time basis because of your numbers?

No Cleo for me. It's too late and at this point I don't believe it'll help.
I didn't apply to any part time programs.
I applied to Cardozo, NU & UMich summer start and my NU app is for AJD.

[JayJones78]

Update:

WL at Fordham. Kind of happy.
Any thoughts?
Thanks

[Dmini7]

Update:

WL at Fordham. Kind of happy.
Any thoughts?
Thanks

O_o you are having quite the unpredictable cycle. I still would probably attend W&L over Fordham even if you got off the WL, but I really am not a fan of NY, (and W&L did offer you some money, which was kind of them). With that said, your cycle is very interesting and I am enjoying following it. So far I have only heard back from one school and it was my ED haha, so as i anxiously wait for my responses seeing your's and other URMs results have been reassuring.

[spleenworship]

Update:

WL at Fordham. Kind of happy.
Any thoughts?
Thanks

That's good, but ITE I'm not sure I'd take Fordham without money. And since they put you on the WL, $$$ seems unlikely. All the same, nice catch since it was a bit of a reach for you. And you never know, they might let you in and offer $.

[JayJones78]

Update:

WL at Fordham. Kind of happy.
Any thoughts?
Thanks

O_o you are having quite the unpredictable cycle. I still would probably attend W&L over Fordham even if you got off the WL, but I really am not a fan of NY, (and W&L did offer you some money, which was kind of them). With that said, your cycle is very interesting and I am enjoying following it. So far I have only heard back from one school and it was my ED haha, so as i anxiously wait for my responses seeing your's and other URMs results have been reassuring.

Thank you! Yup. I would say its nothing but predictable. I think my URM, non trad and my unique story is what in works here.
I love NYC but I think going there for school is going to give me so much more debt that is avoidable if i go to W&L or other small town school with good rankig.

[JayJones78]

Update:

WL at Fordham. Kind of happy.
Any thoughts?
Thanks

That's good, but ITE I'm not sure I'd take Fordham without money. And since they put you on the WL, $$$ seems unlikely. All the same, nice catch since it was a bit of a reach for you. And you never know, they might let you in and offer $.

Thanks. Although its lower than W&L I assume they get more applications

[spleenworship]

Update:

WL at Fordham. Kind of happy.
Any thoughts?
Thanks

That's good, but ITE I'm not sure I'd take Fordham without money. And since they put you on the WL, $$$ seems unlikely. All the same, nice catch since it was a bit of a reach for you. And you never know, they might let you in and offer $.

Thanks. Although its lower than W&L I assume they get more applications

They get about twice as many apps, and Fordham's median LSAT is one point higher than W&L.

[JayJones78]

Update:

WL at Fordham. Kind of happy.
Any thoughts?
Thanks

That's good, but ITE I'm not sure I'd take Fordham without money. And since they put you on the WL, $$$ seems unlikely. All the same, nice catch since it was a bit of a reach for you. And you never know, they might let you in and offer $.

Thanks. Although its lower than W&L I assume they get more applications

They get about twice as many apps, and Fordham's median LSAT is one point higher than W&L.

That's why I'm okay with the WL. I think I'm more okay with it because it may signal (but just maybe) how my cycle will develop. I'm really interested to see how it will go with USC, BU and BC

[Manhattanman]

I got into BU today. Good luck. They may overlook the LSAT with an applicant w/ a strong GPA and compelling typo-free story. Any reason you would consider BU but not Fordham?

[JayJones78]

I got into BU today. Good luck. They may overlook the LSAT with an applicant w/ a strong GPA and compelling typo-free story. Any reason you would consider BU but not Fordham?

No real reason. Plus between BU to BC I'd have to say ill be torn because I like BC for its campus and the fact that it's a Jesuit school (I'm coming from a Jesuit university). Well that's if I get into both

[JayJones78]

Seeking advice:
Next week will be decision week with NU for AJD. The program's website states that all decisions will be made by 2/1. I am considering emailing them a LOCI on Monday. Should I do it? They have a PS, resume, DS and a why NU AJD essay focusing specifically on why I'm interested/should be admitted. In addition i was there for an on-campus interview in November. Would adding another particle to the app help or hurt it? I am very very interested in the prog and think that amid the low LSAT I can be a good fit. It also appears that my GPA is either in over above the AJD median and it's definitely above the 25th.
On one hand I want to maximize my chance and next week is crunch time. On the other hand I don't want to annoy them with too much information.

Thoughts/advice?
Thanks again for all the incredible help people give here on a daily basis.

[BlaqBella]

LOCIs are usually sent if you haven't heard a peep from the school following a waitlist. Given that all AJDs will hear word next week as a guarantee, no need to send the LOCI until you may actually need it/after a decision is rendered.

[JayJones78]

LOCIs are usually sent if you haven't heard a peep from the school following a waitlist. Given that all AJDs will hear word next week as a guarantee, no need to send the LOCI until you may actually need it/after a decision is rendered.

Well the idea was sending them one before the decision is rendered since if they decide to reject me I couldn't really contact them

[Dmini7]

LOCIs are usually sent if you haven't heard a peep from the school following a waitlist. Given that all AJDs will hear word next week as a guarantee, no need to send the LOCI until you may actually need it/after a decision is rendered.

Not to hijack this thread, but what if we had an updated resume to send? I was curious for this on multiple schools (probably 5 have yet to update from completion/completion pending). Its an update with another internship, so i was unsure if it was worth putting on.

[BlaqBella]

LOCIs are usually sent if you haven't heard a peep from the school following a waitlist. Given that all AJDs will hear word next week as a guarantee, no need to send the LOCI until you may actually need it/after a decision is rendered.

Well the idea was sending them one before the decision is rendered since if they decide to reject me I couldn't really contact them

Jay, you must remember admission cycles are like bargaining negotiations. You give some to get some, remembering to never play all your cards unless you are backed into a corner and absolutely need to.

An LOCI is viewed as your last bargaining chip. Your last play. As you know LOCI stands for "Letter of Continued Interest". Continued. Meaning that despite X or Y happening, you are still interested in Z school.

X or Y has not happened. Your application is still in the review process. No decision, good, bad or on the fence, has been given.

You should sit and wait. A LOCI is not going to change an ADCOMMS mind if they are already set on rejecting you. It could only work if they are on the fence and as it stands, you don't know how they view your on paper.

Be patient, sit and wait and do not play your last hand is my honest advice to you.

[BlaqBella]

LOCIs are usually sent if you haven't heard a peep from the school following a waitlist. Given that all AJDs will hear word next week as a guarantee, no need to send the LOCI until you may actually need it/after a decision is rendered.

Not to hijack this thread, but what if we had an updated resume to send? I was curious for this on multiple schools (probably 5 have yet to update from completion/completion pending). Its an update with another internship, so i was unsure if it was worth putting on.

Because you application is not yet complete, my advice is to send the updated resume so they stay current on your present activities. But for future reference, once you go complete the only thing ADCOMM needs to be updated on is a new and higher LSAT score, new and higher grades/honor awards, or landing some rare opportunity.

Don't send a new recommendation or LOCI until you absolutely need to. Good luck!

[JayJones78]

UPDATE:
Rejected by BU over email just now. Oh well, I was never really excited about the school.

To be honest, as time goes by and apps continue to be pending I realize what schools in my list I am really excited about and truly interested in and what schools would be nice to get into, but at the same time I would be okay with a rejection (and schools I realize I probably don't have a chance with, but applied to them anyway for the slimmer than slim chance my app will shine with some adcomm). I don't know if this happened to other people as well but since I have SO MANY outstanding apps I see it happen with some schools on my list.

[BlaqBella]

You still have yet to hear back from some great schools which are known to have accepted URM AA males with similar numbers in the past, so there is still reason to be hopeful. Glad to know you're not feeling down and out. Thanks for the update!