152/3.64 Forum

Aha0005 · Post by **Aha0005** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 11:47 am

High GPA, extensive experience abroad, trilingual (more or less), AA female....

*forgot to mention internship with well known US Congressman and substantial grants, scholarships, awards, etc.

bombed the LSAT the first time but I got 152 this year...

Any thoughts on where I should apply?

kwais · Post by **kwais** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 11:49 am

3.6 + URM + Retake = Profit. You should study hard and give it another go. It will be worth it.

nelaw2010 · Post by **nelaw2010** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 12:03 pm

kwais wrote:3.6 + URM + Retake = Profit. You should study hard and give it another go. It will be worth it.

^^^^THIS!

With your URM status, GPA, and softs, you're talking big $$$ with a 160+.

Doesn't 3 - 6 months of studying for a potential full scholarship sound great?

Remember, you can typically miss about 30 questions and still get a 160.

CanadianWolf · Post by **CanadianWolf** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 12:07 pm

Since you scored a 152 on your second LSAT sitting & that was a substantial jump from your first LSAT score, I think that you may need to focus on tier one law schools with a summer start/summer screening program such as Indiana & Iowa. Otherwise, you may need to focus on Tier Two law schools, in my opinion.

Its Always Sunny · Post by **Its Always Sunny** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 12:11 pm

CanadianWolf wrote:Since you scored a 152 on your second LSAT sitting & that was a substantial jump from your first LSAT score, I think that you may need to focus on Tier One law schools with a summer start/summer screening program such as Indiana & Iowa. Otherwise, you may need to focus on Tier Two law schools, in my opinion.

This. If 152 was a jump and you "bombed" the test before I would see where you can get into in tier 2 range. If you think you can jump 8 or so more points then take a year off.

admisionquestion · Post by **admisionquestion** » Sat Oct 29, 2011 7:12 pm

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CanadianWolf wrote:Since you scored a 152 on your second LSAT sitting & that was a substantial jump from your first LSAT score, I think that you may need to focus on Tier One law schools with a summer start/summer screening program such as Indiana & Iowa. Otherwise, you may need to focus on Tier Two law schools, in my opinion.

Canadian Wolf is right about where you fall in terms of chances but wrong in terms of what you should do with that info.

If one is 3.6, <152, 152 + URM should they:
A. Retake and hope for a 160+
B. Change majors or return to school and become a CPA?
C. Look at schools in the second tier right now?

A is the credited response.
B. Is the second best.
C. is completely wrong.

Under no circumstances should you consider paying to go to a law school outside the first tier.

A is the credited response.

Aha0005 · Post by **Aha0005** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 1:50 am

sorry for the late response...but thanks for your insight...i'm gonna cast a wide net and hope for the best!

jump_man · Post by **jump_man** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:07 am

Aha0005 wrote:sorry for the late response...but thanks for your insight...i'm gonna cast a wide net and hope for the best!

By "cast a wide net" do you mean retake? As the previous posts indicate, that is the credited response.

Bildungsroman · Post by **Bildungsroman** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:09 am

Aha0005 wrote: bombed the LSAT the first time but I got 152 this year...

Sounds like you bombed the LSAT twice. Retake for a chance at a worthwhile school.

admisionquestion · Post by **admisionquestion** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:20 am

Aha0005 wrote:sorry for the late response...but thanks for your insight...i'm gonna cast a wide net and hope for the best!

OMFG. Do not do this. STOP. Retake--if you cannot get into a top 40 school with money then you should not become a lawyer in this economy.

JustE · Post by **JustE** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 4:12 pm

admisionquestion wrote:
Aha0005 wrote:sorry for the late response...but thanks for your insight...i'm gonna cast a wide net and hope for the best!
OMFG. Do not do this. STOP. Retake--if you cannot get into a top 40 school with money then you should not become a lawyer in this economy.

Agreed. There's nothing wrong with taking the LSAT a third time. I PT'd in the low 140's and my actual results were 153/162/166.

Thing is, I didn't really study until my last sitting. You need to block out 4 months and spend 4-5 hours a day on the LSAT. If you do that, you'll have a 160+ and quite possibly a 170. It's not that hard. PM me if you're serious about it and I'll send you what you need.

If you're willing to work, you'll have several full rides and multiple T-14 acceptances. Don't waste that GPA.

Aha0005 · Post by **Aha0005** » Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:18 pm

The consensus seems to be re-take the LSAT again...taking that into consideration I need TIME to learn this test....meaning I would refrain from working full time....don't law schools frown on this? Then how do I explain a substantial LSAT increase? I don't think admincom's are too keen on the "I had more time to study" addenda....

Bildungsroman · Post by **Bildungsroman** » Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:19 pm

Aha0005 wrote:The consensus seems to be re-take the LSAT again...taking that into consideration I need TIME to learn this test....meaning I would refrain from working full time....don't law schools frown on this? Then how do I explain a substantial LSAT increase? I don't think admincom's are too keen on the "I had more time to study" addenda....

You can definitely keep up both full-time work and an effective LSAT study regimen. I know plenty of people who have done it.

Aha0005 · Post by **Aha0005** » Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:32 pm

Perhaps....nevertheless....how's about that LSAT increase addenda?

JustE · Post by **JustE** » Wed Nov 23, 2011 4:28 pm

Aha0005 wrote:Perhaps....nevertheless....how's about that LSAT increase addenda?

Honestly, this isn't that big of a deal. And the answer is simple: you got nervous... choked the first time.... you weren't prepared... Just tell the truth. The important thing is that you increase your score.

As for work, you can do both. Get up every morning at 4am. Get ready and if it's an option, arrive at the office by 5am. Study from 5am to 8/9am (whenever your day starts). If this isn't an option, study first and leave for work when you're done. I can't focus late at night, so this worked for me. I was in bed by 9 every night for 2-3 months. Or, you could do the opposite and study at night... Whatever works for you.

Point is, it can be done. You might have to sacrifice, but it can be done.

Aha0005 · Post by **Aha0005** » Thu Nov 24, 2011 12:35 am

I pretty much did that over the summer...I was pt'ing in the low 150s and not surprisingly I earned a score in the low 150s

I'm guessing you studied on your own? (I took a course, briefly hired a tutor; then studied on my own...) What test prep products did you use?

admisionquestion · Post by **admisionquestion** » Thu Nov 24, 2011 1:23 am

Aha0005 wrote:I pretty much did that over the summer...I was pt'ing in the low 150s and not surprisingly I earned a score in the low 150s

I'm guessing you studied on your own? (I took a course, briefly hired a tutor; then studied on my own...) What test prep products did you use?

As I see it there are three intepretations at this point:
A. You studied as ton (private tutor/class/personal) and got a low 150's score
------In which case you should not be going to law school in this economy no matter how well you do on a retake. Your not meant to think quickly, logically, etc.
B. You are lying about your study
------Very unlikely given you have no incentive to lie--it it were true I can't begin to speculate about what might be wrong with you.
C. You did a class/tutor/private study but you did them poorly
------This would indicate a lack of thoughtfulness and very terrible reasoning skills. Again I suggest you strongly evaluate if your cut out for law.

Best of luck on everything and I know it can be tough to figure your future out. Just be sure your not making a terrible decision. Wanting to be a lawyer IS ABSOLUTELY NOT a good enough reason to go to law school. It needs to be a good fit for you--and all the info you have given us so far indicates that it is most certainly not.

If you can make it work than go for it. But don't force it--if you end up taking on ANY DEBT to pay tuition at a school ranked lower than Fordham your making a huge mistake.

As things stand this is the first bit of Law School predictor results that have you as a "consider." is MN

Aha0005 · Post by **Aha0005** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:42 pm

new dilemma...........$$ @ NUSL v. sticker @ American?

FWIW, I'm public interest focused.

admisionquestion · Post by **admisionquestion** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:57 pm

What is the actual scholly amount and what are the stipulations. I am willing to help you decide which is a less bad decision--but i would not go to either school with a 10K stipend and full ride.

Aha0005 · Post by **Aha0005** » Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:37 pm

can anyone comment on LRAP? particularly at AU WCL?

BlakcMajikc · Post by **BlakcMajikc** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 6:33 am

admisionquestion wrote:What is the actual scholly amount and what are the stipulations. I am willing to help you decide which is a less bad decision--but i would not go to either school with a 10K stipend and full ride.

Don't go to AU. Wait the cycle out and Retake.

Blessedassurance · Post by **Blessedassurance** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 7:11 am

Aha0005 wrote:can anyone comment on LRAP? particularly at AU WCL?

It's annoying to hear it over and over again but seriously, retaking is the credited response.

Aha0005 · Post by **Aha0005** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 10:53 pm

"held until further review" at a T30....this is torture.

admisionquestion · Post by **admisionquestion** » Sun Dec 25, 2011 7:51 am

sounds like...you should take our advice...

if this is torture then maybe...ugh never mind its not worth explaining...

Aha0005 · Post by **Aha0005** » Wed Dec 28, 2011 3:22 pm

nelaw2010 wrote:
kwais wrote:3.6 + URM + Retake = Profit. You should study hard and give it another go. It will be worth it.

^^^^THIS!

With your URM status, GPA, and softs, you're talking big $$$ with a 160+.

Doesn't 3 - 6 months of studying for a potential full scholarship sound great?

Remember, you can typically miss about 30 questions and still get a 160.

The above post is what's prompting me to retake (and FWIW I've begun studying already)...I'm unsure about not sending in an LOCI to the prospective T30...but $120K in student loans is more than unsettling...

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