LSAT Range for Black/AA Students Forum

[cthomas]

Does anyone know where I can find this information? Has it been discussed in a previous thread? Are there any known Black/AA students who have received a perfect score?

[bk1]

Range = 120-180

Yes, it has happened.

[cthomas]

Range = 120-180

Yes, it has happened.

Do you have a link to your source? Anything?

[arism87]

...IBTL

[cthomas]

Actually, I don't know why this thread would need to be locked. I'm a Black student looking for stats..

[arism87]

Actually, I don't know why this thread would need to be locked. I'm a Black student looking for stats..

Haha I guess that does change it. I just find the idea that not a single Black student has ever scored a 180 kind of unlikely. Perhaps I'm wrong.

[NZA]

Range = 120-180

Yes, it has happened.

An AA got a 120?

[Curry]

FLAME

[bk1]

Range = 120-180

Yes, it has happened.

Do you have a link to your source? Anything?

Do you seriously believe there is a single score that an AA is incapable of attaining?

[cthomas]

Right, but I wasn't stating that no Black student has scored a 180 -- merely that it is difficult to find figures that prove otherwise.

Either way, I found a helpful link: http://www.lsac.org/LsacResources/Resea ... -08-03.pdf

In 2007-2008, AA students scored 142.15 on average, with a SD of 8.40. Three standard deviations places almost all Black students at an LSAT score below 167.35.

[Curry]

Right, but I wasn't stating that no Black student has scored a 180 -- merely that it is difficult to find figures that prove otherwise.

Either way, I found a helpful link: http://www.lsac.org/LsacResources/Resea ... -08-03.pdf

In 2007-2008, AA students scored 142.15 on average, with a SD of 8.40. Three standard deviations places almost all Black students at an LSAT score below 167.35.

I'd recon almost all Non black students score below a 167.

[arism87]

Right, but I wasn't stating that no Black student has scored a 180 -- merely that it is difficult to find figures that prove otherwise.

Either way, I found a helpful link: http://www.lsac.org/LsacResources/Resea ... -08-03.pdf

In 2007-2008, AA students scored 142.15 on average, with a SD of 8.40. Three standard deviations places almost all Black students at an LSAT score below 167.35.

I'd recon almost all Non black students score below a 167.

Also my initial reaction. Using his data and his math.. 3 standard deviations from the median "white" score is like 178. Yet we know white people score 180s with some regularity (at least a few each cycle).

[Curry]

Right, but I wasn't stating that no Black student has scored a 180 -- merely that it is difficult to find figures that prove otherwise.

Either way, I found a helpful link: http://www.lsac.org/LsacResources/Resea ... -08-03.pdf

In 2007-2008, AA students scored 142.15 on average, with a SD of 8.40. Three standard deviations places almost all Black students at an LSAT score below 167.35.

I'd recon almost all Non black students score below a 167.

Also my initial reaction. Using his data and his math.. 3 standard deviations from the median "white" score is like 178. Yet we know white people score 180s with some regularity (at least a few each cycle).

Yeah. I don't think standard deviation is a good way of measuring this. I'm sure more whites than blacks score 180's, just because of the way racial dynamics and test performance work, but at the same time, I'm fairly certain blacks have scored 180's in the past.

[Fresh]

Mods please lock this thread. No good will come of it. Itll only lead to more stereotyping and resentment. There is nothing in the LSAT that precluded African Americans from scoring 180. There need not be further discussion unless the goal of this thread is to spark racial controversy.

OP, if you want to contribute on this forum, get a clue and ask useful questions.

[cthomas]

@ Curry

Right, but you also have to realize that a Caucasian test taker would score a 179 if s/he were 3 standard deviations from the mean -- that puts a 167 into perspective.

[Curry]

Right, but you also have to realize that a Caucasian test taker would score a 179 if s/he were 3 standard deviations from the mean -- that puts a 167 into perspective.

It means using standard deviations to measure this is bullshit.

[1evilo.aihpos]

Mods please lock this thread. No good will come of it. Itll only lead to more stereotyping and resentment. There is nothing in the LSAT that precluded African Americans from scoring 180. There need not be further discussion unless the goal of this thread is to spark racial controversy.
OP, if you want to contribute on this forum, get a clue and ask useful questions.

what the prince said.
but also..... I know on this site (which is a fraction of LSAT takers) there is a 178 DieAntwoord, 178 Texasboy(LSN), 177 tgerret*, and a 180 Sophie(not sure if sophie is a AA or NA though).
lawschoolnumbers is where you need to go. posting questions like this will only cause arguments and information from... you guessed it.... lawschoolnumbers.
oh and crazymonkey* got a 179

[Curry]

Mods please lock this thread. No good will come of it. Itll only lead to more stereotyping and resentment. There is nothing in the LSAT that precluded African Americans from scoring 180. There need not be further discussion unless the goal of this thread is to spark racial controversy.
OP, if you want to contribute on this forum, get a clue and ask useful questions.

what the prince said.
but also..... I know on this site (which is a fraction of LSAT takers) there is a 178 DieAntwoord, 178 Texasboy(LSN), 177 tgerret*, and a 180 Sophie(not sure if sophie is a AA or NA though).
lawschoolnumbers is where you need to go. posting questions like this will only cause arguments and information from... you guessed it.... lawschoolnumbers.

Stalker?

[arism87]

Mods please lock this thread. No good will come of it. Itll only lead to more stereotyping and resentment. There is nothing in the LSAT that precluded African Americans from scoring 180. There need not be further discussion unless the goal of this thread is to spark racial controversy.
OP, if you want to contribute on this forum, get a clue and ask useful questions.

what the prince said.
but also..... I know on this site (which is a fraction of LSAT takers) there is a 178 DieAntwoord, 178 Texasboy(LSN), 177 tgerret*, and a 180 Sophie(not sure if sophie is a AA or NA though).
lawschoolnumbers is where you need to go. posting questions like this will only cause arguments and information from... you guessed it.... lawschoolnumbers.

I checked LSN actually, for the last 4 cycles. No AA reporting 180s (minus 1 or 2 that were pretty clearly flames). But like you said, very small percentage of overall test takers.

ETA: Sorry to even be contributing to this

[1evilo.aihpos]

Mods please lock this thread. No good will come of it. Itll only lead to more stereotyping and resentment. There is nothing in the LSAT that precluded African Americans from scoring 180. There need not be further discussion unless the goal of this thread is to spark racial controversy.
OP, if you want to contribute on this forum, get a clue and ask useful questions.

what the prince said.
but also..... I know on this site (which is a fraction of LSAT takers) there is a 178 DieAntwoord, 178 Texasboy(LSN), 177 tgerret*, and a 180 Sophie(not sure if sophie is a AA or NA though).
lawschoolnumbers is where you need to go. posting questions like this will only cause arguments and information from... you guessed it.... lawschoolnumbers.

I checked LSN actually, for the last 4 cycles. No AA reporting 180s (minus 1 or 2 that were pretty clearly flames). But like you said, very small percentage of overall test takers.

ETA: Sorry to even be contributing to this

I thought Sophie1 was AA.

[1evilo.aihpos]

Mods please lock this thread. No good will come of it. Itll only lead to more stereotyping and resentment. There is nothing in the LSAT that precluded African Americans from scoring 180. There need not be further discussion unless the goal of this thread is to spark racial controversy.
OP, if you want to contribute on this forum, get a clue and ask useful questions.

what the prince said.
but also..... I know on this site (which is a fraction of LSAT takers) there is a 178 DieAntwoord, 178 Texasboy(LSN), 177 tgerret*, and a 180 Sophie(not sure if sophie is a AA or NA though).
lawschoolnumbers is where you need to go. posting questions like this will only cause arguments and information from... you guessed it.... lawschoolnumbers.

Stalker?

true.. I like my AAs

[arism87]

Mods please lock this thread. No good will come of it. Itll only lead to more stereotyping and resentment. There is nothing in the LSAT that precluded African Americans from scoring 180. There need not be further discussion unless the goal of this thread is to spark racial controversy.
OP, if you want to contribute on this forum, get a clue and ask useful questions.

what the prince said.
but also..... I know on this site (which is a fraction of LSAT takers) there is a 178 DieAntwoord, 178 Texasboy(LSN), 177 tgerret*, and a 180 Sophie(not sure if sophie is a AA or NA though).
lawschoolnumbers is where you need to go. posting questions like this will only cause arguments and information from... you guessed it.... lawschoolnumbers.

I checked LSN actually, for the last 4 cycles. No AA reporting 180s (minus 1 or 2 that were pretty clearly flames). But like you said, very small percentage of overall test takers.

ETA: Sorry to even be contributing to this

I thought Sophie1 was AA.

I want to say she's NA? EITHER WAY, the data OP posted shows similar means/SDs for Native Americans, so just goes to show...

Also, I can't wait for her to happen upon this.. creepers.

[1evilo.aihpos]

Mods please lock this thread. No good will come of it. Itll only lead to more stereotyping and resentment. There is nothing in the LSAT that precluded African Americans from scoring 180. There need not be further discussion unless the goal of this thread is to spark racial controversy.
OP, if you want to contribute on this forum, get a clue and ask useful questions.

what the prince said.
but also..... I know on this site (which is a fraction of LSAT takers) there is a 178 DieAntwoord, 178 Texasboy(LSN), 177 tgerret*, and a 180 Sophie(not sure if sophie is a AA or NA though).
lawschoolnumbers is where you need to go. posting questions like this will only cause arguments and information from... you guessed it.... lawschoolnumbers.

I checked LSN actually, for the last 4 cycles. No AA reporting 180s (minus 1 or 2 that were pretty clearly flames). But like you said, very small percentage of overall test takers.

ETA: Sorry to even be contributing to this

did you search AA, because i know a lot of AAs just put URM.

[arism87]

did you search AA, because i know a lot of AAs just put URM.

I searched URM.. only thing I know how to do lol. So if Sophie is AA I'm wrong to say no one posted it, but I don't think she is

[cthomas]

OP, if you want to contribute on this forum, get a clue and ask useful questions.

How is this not useful? The litmus test for the authenticity of my question should not (and cannot) be the responses that are given; I can't be held accountable for someone else.